This is the only thing superior to Vitiate:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Entity

 

Abeloth is the Darkside entity, the same as Mortis Son, Vitiate is the most powerful Sith Lord as he used powers only accessed by entities, its hard to pin point but Vitiate does exist in another plane thanks to his immortality in the force.

Vitiate isn't Immortal.

And that Entity is meant to be Traya, she's not on the level of Abaloth... Lol.

Also..... No.

Immortal is Inmortal.

Vitiate is Inmortal in the force, just like Abeloth.

Immortal is Inmortal.

 

Vitiate is Inmortal in the force, just like Abeloth.

Everyone is immortal in the Force...

Vitiate isn't Immortal.

 

And that Entity is meant to be Traya, she's not on the level of Abaloth... Lol.

Also..... No.

Vitiate is immortal.

Everyone is immortal in the Force...

No

No

Yes...

Yes...

Elaborate

Elaborate

Hint 1: The last line of the Jedi Code.

Hint 1: The last line of the Jedi Code.

It is a belief.

It is a belief.

A belief that turns out to be true.

A belief that turns out to be true.

Jedi are not immortals by default, they become part of the Force after death but this isn't immortality. Few Jedi have studied about immortality and only these can re-emerge as ghosts after natural death but are not able to influence the material surroundings in this form. Jedi haven't approached the depths of immortality like Sith/dark side practitioners have.

Jedi are not immortals by default, they become part of the Force after death but this isn't immortality. Few Jedi have studied about immortality and only these can re-emerge as ghosts after natural death but are not able to influence the material surroundings in this form. Jedi haven't approached the depths of immortality like Sith/dark side practitioners have.

You sir, have lost on just about every level there is. Would you please, please for the love of God give this up?

Oh, and didn't Sidious achieve immortality making that point mute... So uh, who cares?

Also Vitiate =/= Force Entity/Abeloth/Ones/Celestials, seriously, there is no comparison.

You sir, have lost on just about every level there is. Would you please, please for the love of God give this up?

Excuse me?

Oh, and didn't Sidious achieve immortality making that point mute... So uh, who cares?

Yes, he did. And what point does this makes moot?

Also Vitiate =/= Force Entity/Abeloth/Ones/Celestials, seriously, there is no comparison.

Vitiate is just like a Force Entity.

Abeloth/Ones/Celestials have their talents but they aren't special. Many of their talents have been duplicated by others.

A belief that turns out to be true.

For a select handful who train for it. Warren Buffet being a billionaire doesn't make me a billionaire by default.

 

Abeloth/Ones/Celestials have their talents but they aren't special. Many of their talents have been duplicated by others.

This is what happens when someone who's only read the Kotor Era checks wookieepedia for facts.

This is what happens when someone who's only read the Kotor Era checks wookieepedia for facts.

• The Father could block a lightsaber with bare hands; Shan matched this feat.
   
  
• The Son could determine future events; The Voss were also masters of this talent.
   
  
• The Ones could shape-shift; so could Dread Masters.
   
  
• The Ones achieved corporeal immortality; so did Vitiate and Dread Masters.
   
  
• Abeloth could possess others and acquired many avatars; Vitiate matched these feats.
  

• The Father could block a lightsaber with bare hands; Shan matched this feat.
   
  
• The Son could determine future events; The Voss were also masters of this talent.
   
  
• The Ones could shape-shift; so could Dread Masters.
   
  
• The Ones achieved corporeal immortality; so did Vitiate and Dread Masters.
   
  
• Abeloth could possess others and acquired many avatars; Vitiate matched these feats.
  

First, not looking at the bigger picture.

All of them could do all of this, not just the specialized among them.

The father did it with Ease, shan struggled and was about be overwhelmed.

The voss were revered for it, and even then the mystics saw FAR more scetchy visions than the Son.

The Dread masters. 6 of the most powerful sith who had to Pool ALL OF THEIR POWER into one person to allow this to happen.

Vitiate and the Dread masters are not immortal. Just ask every dread master bar Calphayus. And yes, Vitiate can die.

I suppose immortality doesn't matter. What does matter is that Vitiate can be killed. Just as Sidious was killed, just as Exar Kun was killed, just as... you get the point.

I'm quite surprised that people actually compare Vitiate to GODS. It baffles me. OK, maybe not baffles me, fanboys can be quite predictable in this regard.

First, not looking at the bigger picture.

The Ones understand the Force in ways like mortals do not. Key word is mortals here.

All of them could do all of this, not just the specialized among them.

Ok

The father did it with Ease, shan struggled and was about be overwhelmed.

The Father is more powerful, this is why.

Shan could have damaged the lightsaber.

The voss were revered for it, and even then the mystics saw FAR more scetchy visions than the Son.

The Son predicted the future of Vader with great clarity and?

The Dread masters. 6 of the most powerful sith who had to Pool ALL OF THEIR POWER into one person to allow this to happen.

No, Dread Masters can shape-shift independently. They are extremely talented in the ways of the Force at individual capacity. Try operations featuring them and you will know.

With their combined might, they can inflict devastation on enormous scale.

Vitiate and the Dread masters are not immortal. Just ask every dread master bar Calphayus. And yes, Vitiate can die.

Emperor Vitiate is immortal: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=651536&page=48

Emperor Vitiate cannot die, his essence should be trapped in the void with some strategy.

Dread Masters achieved corporeal immortality.

I suppose immortality doesn't matter. What does matter is that Vitiate can be killed. Just as Sidious was killed, just as Exar Kun was killed, just as... you get the point.

Sidious wasn't killed, his essence was trapped in the void with support from other Jedi spirits.

I'm quite surprised that people actually compare Vitiate to GODS. It baffles me. OK, maybe not baffles me, fanboys can be quite predictable in this regard.

This is work of BioWare, not fans.

The Ones aren't gods, they are Force-users.

The Ones aren't gods, they are Force-users.

This

its measures of reality, for a normal force user Vitiate is a God even for the Dark Council.

Force-users are bound by rules of the Force, even if Sith Lords think not and take as a tool.

The longevity of the Ones is far from the quality that makes them unique, the following are:

• That their very existence and actions deeply effect the balance of the Force and who have it in their power to guide the will of the Force itself through non-artificial means.
   
   
  
• That they are able to transcend time and space, existing in an other reality within the Force itself.
   
   
  
• They are former Celestials (or assumed to be), an ancient civilization and apex species who predate most if not all other sentient organisms and whose constructs transcend the understanding of later intelligence.
  

Does the Sith Emperor possess these qualities? No. Heck, even his longevity pales in comparison given that the Celestials bodily receptacles do not decay, the Sith Emperor's clearly does. Nor is his ability exist in essence form impressive either, all Force Users achieve this kind of power. Most just aren't able to escape the Netherworld.

The Sith Emperor does not even begin to compare to the Ones and by attempting to make such an attempt you only invite ridicule. For example:

This is me, laughing at your attempts to put the Sith Emperor on their level.

Jedi are not immortals by default, they become part of the Force after death but this isn't immortality. Few Jedi have studied about immortality and only these can re-emerge as ghosts after natural death but are not able to influence the material surroundings in this form. Jedi haven't approached the depths of immortality like Sith/dark side practitioners have.

Qui-Gon Jinn explains in a dialogue with Yoda:

"Eternal life…"

"The ultimate goal of the Sith, yet they can never achieve it; it comes only through the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness."

―Yoda and Qui-Gon Jinn

The Sith's answer to immortality is to preserve their existence in the physical world for as long as possible, but it is in fact a struggle that they will inevitably lose. They attempt to resist being pulled into the Netherworld for as long as possible, some longer than others but inevitably they all succumb. Case in point: the Sith Emperor dies at some point. And when they die, they're essence is annihilated, they cease to exist and immortality evades them.

There existence is ultimately finite. Immortality is infinite.

A Jedi on the other hand, when they become one with the Force, have their essence live on eternally and therefore achieve true immortality. They are not able to influence the galaxy as physically as a Sith but they trade that for a far more powerful ability to influence the living and cosmic Force. They become a part of the Force's will.

For example, Qui-Gon is able to use the Force here. And the Five Preistess' Yoda later encounters are able to manipulate the Force on their planet in profound ways, and move across the galaxy with impunity.

And they can never be destroyed, you can destroy a Sith Spirit, you can annihilate their essence, but you cannot kill a Jedi in who has transcended to the Netherworld. Nor can Sith Spirits move from their place of death, Force Ghosts can.

So don't tell us the Sith Emperor is immortal, what he has achieve is a facsimile of true immortality.

That their very existence and actions deeply effect the balance of the Force and who have it in their power to guide the will of the Force itself through non-artificial means.

This is just a theory, IMO.

Sidious and Plagueis imbalanced the Force with a ritual of the dark side, this would not have been possible if lets say The Father was maintaining the balance of the Force.

That they are able to transcend time and space, existing in an other reality within the Force itself.

Transcending time and space is not impossible with some applications of the Force; Flow-walking and Force Storm (Wormhole) powers can make this possible. Their might be additional talents/techniques.

Also, didn't one of the Dread Masters demonstrated the capability to transcend time and space? Calphayus perhaps.

They are former Celestials (or assumed to be), an ancient civilization and apex species who predate most if not all other sentient organisms and whose constructs transcend the understanding of later intelligence.

Yes, Celestials are a mystery for now.

Does the Sith Emperor possess these qualities?

He is shrouded in mystery, not much is known about his talents at the moment. Only some of his talents are known at the moment, he explored the most sinister and uncharted depths of the dark side/arts so he would logically know lot of stuff.

No. Heck, even his longevity pales in comparison given that the Celestials bodily receptacles do not decay, the Sith Emperor's clearly does.

Emperor Vitiate wasn't touched by aging after achieving corporeal immortality, his original body didn't decay. Also, longevity is invalid argument since The Ones refrained from getting involved in galactic affairs for a long time and weren't exposed to challenges like Emperor Vitiate had been. When the Jedi found The Ones, it didn't took much long for The Ones to fall since the Jedi fueled inner conflicts between them.

Nor is his ability exist in essence form impressive either, all Force Users achieve this kind of power. Most just aren't able to escape the Netherworld.

Emperor Vitiate cheated death via corporeal immortality and even learned to exist just as essence and still influence environments in ways which is rarely witnessed.

The Sith Emperor does not even begin to compare to the Ones and by attempting to make such an attempt you only invite ridicule. For example:

 

 

This is me, laughing at your attempts to put the Sith Emperor on their level.

Your attempts to portray The Ones in exaggerated fashion are laughable instead.

This is just a theory, IMO.

 

Sidious and Plagueis imbalanced the Force with a ritual of the dark side, this would not have been possible if lets say The Father was maintaining the balance of the Force.

Numerous rituals.

And it was explained that the Son had been gaining power rapidly, which is the precise reason he could beat his sister.

My theory about that is that the actions of the ones and the Jedi/Sith are tied, if the Sith imbalance something, it's because both them and the Son are doing something. Same for the Daughter and the Light, any actions to restore balance in the mortal world is the action of the father etc...