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Sith Lord Vitiate

 

NOTE: Major spoilers involved from canon sources.

 

Quick facts:-

 

Original Name: Tenebrae

Sith name: Lord Vitiate; Darth Vitiate

Father: Lord Dramath

Apprentices trained: Exal Kressh

Sith Masters: None

 

Most powerful Sith Lord ever?

 

 

The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. (SWTOR: Codex Entry)

 

 

 

The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed. (SWTORE, Page 89)

 

 

Pursuit of immortality and unprecedented power:

 

 

In his relentless pursuit of immortality, the Emperor explored the most sinister, uncharted depths of the dark side. (SWTORE, Page 161)

 

 

Transformation in to an immortal entity (avatar of the dark side):

 

Tenebrae pursued immortality; to accomplish this task, he adopted the path of Sith Sorcery. His plan more complex: He also sought to create a gigantic/endless supply of energy reserves for himself from which he would siphon energies at his will to transform himself in to an avatar of the dark side.

 

 

The Sith Emperor, history's most powerful dark side master, performed a ritual of incredible scope to consume the life energy of every being on his homeworld. (SWTORE, Page 148)

 

 

 

Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force. (SWTORE, Page 16)

 

 

 

The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. From that moment forward, the world would forever be known as Nathema, birthplace of the one and only Sith Emperor. (SWTORE, Page 161)

 

 

 

“And the Sith Lords were driven by fear. Many thought the Jedi would soon wipe them all out. They were desperate for anything they could use as a weapon against the servants of the light side. Lord Vitiate played upon these fears, convincing those who answered his call to set aside their suspicions of him and of one another to join in a single glorious cause.

 

Once they arrived on Nathema, they quickly fell under Lord Vitiate’s control. He dominated their minds, crushed their resistance. He turned them into slaves to his will, forcing them to participate in the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted. Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims.

 

But the ritual was not confined to the doomed Sith Lords. They were but the eye of the storm; the center of a vortex that spread across the entire planet. Every man, woman, and child on Nathema died that day. Every beast, bird, and fish; all the insects and plants; every living being touched by the Force was consumed. When the ritual ended, Nathema was no longer a world. It was a husk sucked dry. Lord Vitiate sacrificed millions, stealing their life force to make himself immortal. Their deaths also made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born.” (Nyriss to Scourge; SWTOR: Revan)

 

 

Tenebrae was not just siphoning energies from all the life forms he destroyed on Mediraas (he prevented these beings from merging with the Force after death) but also from many living individuals serving him in his Empire:

 

 

Servants of the Hand share their Master's longevity, living untouched by age for centuries under his command. In return, the Emperor draws on his servant's strength in the Force and body to feed his ever-increasing power, leaving the servants withered and frail. (SWTORE, Page 163)

 

 

Tenebrae demonstrated Abeloth like abilities:

 

 

The Voice is the mouthpiece through which the Emperor delivers his orders. This possessed being sacrifices all consciousness to become a hollow vessel for the Emperor. Over the centuries, the Emperor has taken many Voices from young children to alien species. When the Voice speaks, it does so with the Emperor's cold, emotionless, and commanding tone. The Voice also wields the Emperor's incredible power and is capable of striking down anyone who displeases him. Those who converse with the Voice are overwhelmed with dread and unshakable obedience. To speak with the Voice is to speak with the Emperor himself.

 

The Emperor created his first Voice after the legendary Jedi names Revan attempted to assassinate him on Dromund Kaas. Though Revan's plot failed, he approached within striking distance of the Emperor. To guard against further vulnerability, the Emperor created the Voice to deliver his orders while distancing himself from the forces that conspired against him. Centuries later, this very safeguard would save the Emperor once more. (SWTORE, Page 163)

 

 

BOSS of millions of Sith Lords:

 

Tenebrae managed to control countless number of Sith Lords during his life including many dreaded Dark Councilors:

 

 

All members of the Empire bow before their sovereign ruler - the Sith Emperor. Enigmatic and supremely powerful, the Emperor directs this domain from the shadows and manipulates the galaxy to carry out his will. (SWTORE, Page 11)

 

 

 

To serve on the Dark Council is to achieve the greatest position of honor, power, and influence in the Empire. Many Sith spend their lives plotting their ascension to the council, but with millions vying for only 12 seats, the competition is cutthroat. The powerful few who join the council often serve for only a few months, their lives cut short by internal power struggles or external enemies who target them for assassination. Once every few centuries, a bold few make the foolish mistake of defying the Emperor's will - a path that inevitably leads to ruin. (SWTORE, Page 172)

 

 

 

For generations, the Emperor would remain withdrawn from society. When he finally appeared, the Emperor spoke only to the Dark Council, reducing the most powerful Sith in the Empire to trembling sycophants in his presence. (SWTORE, Page 157)

 

 

Tenebrae feared nobody:

 

 

Scourge expected them to search him, or at least instruct him to turn over his weapons. But Yarri and the others simply stood at attention, waiting for him to enter. The fact that they showed no concern over letting an armed Sith Lord speak to the Emperor face-to-face without any kind of preparation was a testament to the Emperor's unfathomable power. (SWTOR: Revan)

 

 

Tenebrae was the most feared Sith Lord:

 

 

No Sith has generated as much curiosity, frustration, and fear among the Jedi as the Empire's dread ruler. (SWTORE, Page 88)

 

 

Unparalleled combat prowess?

 

Tenebrae conquered an entire planet as a child:-

 

 

The child who will come to be known as the Sith Emperor is born. Black-eyed, heartless, and supremely strong in the dark side of the Force, the boy seizes control of his homeworld by the age of 13 and earns the title Lord Vitiate. He amasses an army of Sith followers and turns his back on Imperial politics to hone his skills in the dark side. (SWTORE, Page 16)

 

 

How the conquest unfolded?

 

1. The battle to seize planet Mediraas began at the age of 6:

 

 

Tenebrae manifested his incredible Force powers at the age of six. His dark gift marked Tenebrae for a place of power in the Empire - but it also revealed his mother's betrayal. She tearfully confessed to her husband that Tenebrae was born from her infidelity with the Sith ruler of their homeworld. Enraged by this betrayal, Tenebrae's father attacked his unfaithful wife. Awash in his father's fury, Tenebrae awakened the full extent of his power. Tenebrae took his parents' lives as he honed his talent with the dark side of the Force. (SWTORE, Page, 160)

 

 

2. By the age of 10, Tenebrae terminated the ruler of Mediraas in single combat:

 

 

By the age of ten, Tenebrae was feared across Mediraas as the entire northern continent fell under his sway. Sith Lord Dramathm planetary governor of Mediraasm set out to bring the boy in line. Tenebrae broke Lord Dramath's mind, but not before revealing that he was actually his son. (SWTORE, Page 160)

 

 

3. Tenebrae crushed rebellion by the age of 13 and gained absolute control of planet Mediraas:

 

 

It took Tenebrae three more years to gain control of the rest of Nathema. Dramath's firstborn son fled rather than face his formidable half brother, but other powerful Sith sought to seize the empty throne. All fell before the dark prodigy, and with each victory he grew more powerful and more ruthless. (SWTOR: Revan)

 

 

Tenebrae impressed Marka Ragnos and was recognized as the legitimate ruler of Mediraas:

 

 

With all of Mediraas under his power, Tenebrae traveled to Korriban and met Sith Lord Marka Ragnos, ruler of all Sith. Marka Ragnos recognized Tenebrae's incredible power and named the boy Lord Vitiate. (SWTORE, Page 160)

 

 

Tenebrae became such an overwhelming Force-user that he could single-handedly defeat legendary adversaries, formidable Jedi Strike Teams and Purge Sith Dark Councils:-

 

Jedi Strike Team led by Tol Braga easily overwhelmed:

 

"You stand there because I allow it. Because I do not fear." (Tenebrae to Jedi Strike Team)

 

 

With Grand Master Satele Shan's support, Master Braga assembles a strike team of the strongest and most resolute Jedi in the order. Their goal is to pinpoint the Emperor's hidden fortress, capture the Sith leader alive, and turn him to the light side. The Jedi do not realize that they have underestimated the true extent of the Emperor's power. It is an error that will cost them dearly. (SWTORE, Page 89)

 

 

 

The plan to invade the Emperor's fortress succeeds beyond Master Braga's greatest ambitions. However, the Jedi find more than they bargained for when they finally confront the Sith leader in his lair. The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side. Armed with incalculable powers of corruption, the Emperor easily defeats the Knight, Master Braga, and their fellow Jedi, twisting them all to the dark side. (SWTORE, Page 92)

 

 

First known Sith Dark Council Purged:

 

 

During a violent tempest, Darth Lokess called a secret meeting of her eleven fellow Dark Council members. Under the cover of night, the Dark Council met and heard Darth Lokess describe a brilliant and daring plan to overthrow the Sith Emperor, end his relentless exile, and lead the Empire back to war against the Republic. An army of Sith under the command of Darth Lokess were stationed outside the meeting, ready to slay any Dark Council member who refused. But they all agreed to depose the Emperor.

 

It remains a mystery how the Emperor learned of his council's treachery. He allowed their plan to play out, but when they gathered to confront the Emperor, his punishment was swift and devastating. Eleven members of the Dark Council died in a sudden flash on the steps of the Citadel. The last member Darth Lokess, disappeared forever, though for some centuries some claimed her screams could be heard from the bowels of the Citadel.

 

A new council was immediately appointed to replace the traitors. The Emperor had made his point: his will was absolute, and none would oppose him. And though this was not the last time the council would defy the Emperor, his lesson would humble the Empire and its Sith leaders for centuries to come. (SWTORE, Page 156)

 

 

Second known Sith Dark Council Purged:

 

 

"It wasn't just Nyriss who was attacked. The Emperor killed them all."

 

"The files you showed me listed five current members of the Dark Council plotting against him," Meetra said, looking to clarify. "Are you saying the Emperor's Guard wiped out all five in the space of a single day?"

 

"I said he killed them all," Scourge replied. "All twelve members of the Dark Council—even those who weren't part of the conspiracy. He wanted to send a message no one would ever forget."

 

"How is that possible?" Revan asked. "He attacked a dozen of the most powerful Sith Lords in their seats of power simultaneously? How many troops does he have?"

 

"The Imperial Guard were only unleashed on Nyriss and two others. The Emperor must have assumed they were the ones least likely to answer his summons. The other nine were called together in the hours before the attack to meet with the Emperor at his citadel. None of them left alive." (SWTOR: Revan)

 

 

The mighty and legendary Revan humbled:

 

 

As they drew closer to the throne room, Revan's thoughts drifted back to his last confrontation with the Emperor. In all his battles, he had never faced an enemy with that kind of power. The dark side had radiated from him in palpable waves, his physical shell barely able to contain the crackling energy. (SWTOR: Revan)

 

 

 

Revan is determined to keep the galaxy safe for his child. Scourge, Meetra, and Revan enter the Emperor's citadel and challenge the supreme ruler. The Emperor’s power is too much for Revan. Recognizing that the Emperor is undefeatable, Scourge kills Meetra and betrays Revan. (Star Wars: The Essential Reader's Companion)

 

 

Tenebrae's offensive powers were incredibly lethal:

 

 

A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been. Revan's body was engulfed in agony as the electricity coursed through his body. His skin began to boil and blister, the flesh of his face melting and sticking to the superheated metal of his mask as the Emperor poured more and more power into him. Through the haze of indescribable pain, he saw T3-M4 rushing in to help him. The droid let loose with his flamethrower, bathing the Emperor in fire. At the last instant the Emperor cocooned himself in the Force to save himself from being incinerated, breaking his focus on Revan. The Jedi collapsed to the ground, burned but still alive, the hilt of his extinguished lightsaber lying on the floor less than a meter beyond his grasp. Almost too weak to move, Revan managed to raise his head just in time to see the Emperor turn on the brave little astromech. A tremor rippled through the air as the Emperor unleashed the full power of the Force against the defenseless droid. T3 never stood a chance. The little droid exploded into a million pieces, internal circuits and external casing obliterated in a single instant. (SWTOR: Revan)

 

 

Revan's command of the Force was incredible by all accounts (he utterly destroyed a very powerful Dark Councilor in single combat to save his allies earlier; Scourge and Meetra) and he stood no chance against the might of Tenebrae; who would have utterly destroyed him, if T3-M4 had not interfered on time.

 

Unparalleled telepathic capabilities?

 

It is believed that mind tricks work on weak minds! Wrong! Tenebrae have broken (mentally dominated) many powerful individuals:

 

Lord Dramath (first known prominent victim)

 

 

Lord Dramath intended to judge the child’s power to determine if he was worthy of serving the Sith Lord, or if he should simply be executed. But Tenebrae had no intention of serving—or of dying. When they met face-to-face, Tenebrae proved the stronger. Only ten years old, he stripped his father of his power and his mind. (SWTOR: Revan)

 

 

Revan and Malak (Iconic Jedi heroes turned in to puppets)

 

 

Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side. They argued briefly over whether to alert the Republic and Jedi Council, but Revan was already too consumed by arrogance and anger to consider the possibility of defeat. By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall. The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War. (SWTORE, Page 89)

 

 

Tenebrae could break even the strongest Jedi:

 

 

The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred. The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi's connection to the light side.

 

Jedi Master Tol Braga's strike team was not the first group to succumb to the Sith leader's oppressive influence. Hundreds of years ago, the Jedi Revan and Malak discovered Dromund Kaas and confronted the Emperor. They fell to the dark side and returned to Republic space as Sith Lords. Since then, dozens more Jedi have followed the same path into evil. (SWTOR: Codex Entry)

 

 

Many Jedi succumbed to Tenebrae's telepathic powers:

 

 

The Jedi dispatched scouts and spies to learn as much as they could about this new enemy and its enigmatic leader. However, the Sith Emperor was a master of subterfuge and misdirection, continually thwarting all efforts to uncover his dark secrets.

 

Most Jedi who ventured into Imperial space vanished without a trace, but a few managed to send back disturbing messages to their Masters. These fragmented communiques showed the Emperor's Jedi pursuers descending into fear, madness, and evil when faced with his power. It quickly became clear the Sith Emperor was more then a brilliant military strategist and cunning political leader. He was a living embodiment of the dark side of the Force who delighted in destroying the minds and spirits of those Jedi who came too close to him. (SWTORE, Page 88)

 

 

Tenebrae's telepathic capabilities had galactic reach:

 

Tenebrae simultaneously controlled large number of individuals across the span of the galaxy with his telepathic abilities. These pawns ranged from soldiers to powerful Jedi:

 

 

By drawing on his incredible dark powers, the Emperor imprinted his consciousness onto unwitting pawns who would serve as vessels for carrying out his will. Through the eyes and ears of these "children," he would uncover threats in both the Empire and Republic while they were still nothing but whispers. And should the need arise, the Emperor could seize control of his children and instruct them to crush any plot that dared defy his will. (SWTORE, Page 161)

 

For the rest of their lives, these unwitting pawns would serve as the eyes and ears of the Emperor. And should he desire their action, the Emperor could reach out and control them to enact his will. Thus the Children of the Emperor were born.

 

The Jedi remained blind to the Emperor's children due to the presence of the First Son, the being who was first imprinted with the Emperor's power. While the First Son lived, the Emperor's secret army remained hidden and undetectable beneath the Republic's nose. By the time of the Great War, hundreds of the Emperor's Children were embedded within the Republic. Devoted Jedi, loyal soldiers and influential politicians all unknowingly served as the Emperor's spies and, when the Emperor willed it, acted to tear down the Republic they held so dear. (SWTORE, Page 163)

 

 

 

The Sith Emperor seeks to shape all things to his will. His Children, individuals infused with part of his being, have been scattered throughout the Republic, knowingly–or unknowingly–manipulating events to the Emperor's advantage over the years. Above them all is the First Son of the Emperor, a master strategist placed within the Jedi Council itself. Cloaked in the identity of Master Syo Bakarn, the First Son has been hiding the Children from the Jedi for decades, playing a long game with the Republic. His actions suggest a man possessing remarkable patience, ruthlessness and power. However, as Sophia Farash claimed, Master Syo has been unaware of the First Son’s existence–suggesting he and the First Son are two separate personas. (SWTOR: Codex Entry)

 

 

Immunity to side effects of heavy dark side practices:

 

 

The incredible powers of the dark side come at a devastating cost. Masters of the dark arts quickly find their bodies ravaged by the dark side, their physical strength sapped as their grasp on the Force grows. (SWTORE, Page 148)

 

 

Heavy involvement in dark side practices can also prematurely accelerate aging in Force-users and reduce them to a mere shadow of their former-selves during their lives. Even powerful Sith Lords like Darth Bane suffered such deterioration:

 

 

There was another potential explanation, of course—yet it was the most troubling of all. It was possible Zannah had noticed his deteriorating physical abilities and had simply decided to wait. In five years his body would be a ruined husk, and she could dispatch him with virtually no risk. (Star Wars: Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil)

 

 

However, Tenebrae possessed such power that he was immune to resultant deterioration from being heavily involved in dark side practices for long period. He remained at the top of the food chain of dark side practitioners for over 1300 years without issues and possessed the capability to last forever and change history.

 

 

The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. (SWTORE, Page 161)

 

 

Planned transformation in to omnipotent godly entity (ultimate objective):

 

 

The Sith Empire's exile dragged on for centuries. While the military, navy, and Sith grew strong, the Emperor amassed unfathomable power and plotted a vengeful war against the Republic. (SWTORE, Page 157)

 

 

 

Aided by his powerful, secretive, and far-reaching power base, the Emperor pulls strings across the galaxy to carry out his master stroke - the details of which only the Emperor knows. Should he succeed in his plans, the Emperor will conquer death itself and become the most powerful being in all of galactic history. (SWTORE, Page 161)

 

 

 

Lord Scourge's reveals the Emperor's true goal for the war: to complete a Sith ritual that will grant him unlimited power and immortality by eradicating all life in the galaxy. (SWTORE, Page 93)

 

 

Planetary-scale destructive abilities?

 

Tenebrae, after his first transformation, possibly acquired the capability to devastate an entire planet with his Force abilities, should he desire.

 

 

“Nathema was just the beginning,” Scourge agreed. “He will destroy world after world, his power and madness growing in concert until he alone is left, Emperor over an empty and lifeless galaxy.”

 

Meetra stared at the two in horror.

 

“You’ve been to Nathema,” Scourge said. “You felt the Void. You know what the Emperor is capable of.”

 

“She understands,” Revan said, reading her expression more accurately than Scourge. “That’s not it.”

 

“He’s quarantined Dromund Kaas,” Meetra said, trying to lead them to the same conclusion. “What if he’s preparing to do the same thing here that he did on Nathema?”

 

Scourge hadn’t considered that possibility, and it chilled him to his core.

 

“Is that possible?” he asked. “Nyriss told me the ritual on Nathema took days, if not weeks. And the Emperor had to trick hundreds of other powerful Sith into working with him so he could draw on their power.”

 

“He’s stronger now,” Revan said. “But even if it’s possible, I don’t think he’ll go that far. At least not yet. He is too patient, too careful. Dromund Kaas is the heart of his Empire and the seat of his power. He has too many valuable resources here to throw it all away. (SWTOR: Revan)

 

 

Revan is absolutely correct:

 

 

Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force. (SWTORE, Page 16)

 

 

Sources:

 

Star Wars: The Old Republic (game codex entries) -> SWTOR: Codex Entry

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan (novel) -> SWTOR: Revan

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia -> SWTORE

Star Wars: The Essential Reader’s Companion -> SWTERC

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Contrasting Sidious and Vitiate:

 

Sidious is the first Sith Lord to be recognized/promoted as the most powerful Sith Lord ever in the Star Wars mythos; several canonical sources affirm this. However, as the Star Wars lore continues to expand with passage of time; retcons often occur and new extremely powerful characters are being introduced which may diversify marketing appeal of the Star Wars mythos. One such entry is Tenebrae; canonically this Sith Lord existed much earlier then Sidious but seemingly rivaled the latter Sith Lord in power. Now of-course, numerous debates have taken place in many discussion forums about who is the most powerful Sith Lord since canonical sources are promoting multiple Sith Lords with this accolade in current times. Most logical answer is that their is no right or wrong assumption in this regard; Star Wars is a dynamic world in which unexpected can be expected. Even though their are different forms of canon, both Sidious and Tenebrae have earned the accolades of most powerful Sith Lords ever in c-canon sources. Some fanboys claim that GL declared Sidious as the most powerful Sith Lord ever but this appears to be a hearsay since I have yet to see a single quote from GL which validates this claim; even if GL said something in this regard, it should be kept in mind that he mostly represents the original universe or timeline in the saga in his interviews. In addition, he is no longer the authoritarian of the Star Wars mythos; Disney is. Some fanboys may wish to continue to regard GL as the ultimate authority concerning Star Wars mythos related matters but "objectivity" is not their cup of tea and these people will never move on with new information. This being said, I admire GL for his works and creative genius.

 

My objective is to contrast talents of Sidious and Tenebrae to offer fellow fans an objective picture of why both characters do justice to their accolades in their own fashion because both Sith Lords grew in power under different circumstances and honed their respective skills in different manner.

 

Ground realities of Sidious:

 

Sidious was trained in the dark arts by an immensely talented Sith Lord Darth Plagueis and emerged as a nearly perfect killing machine; he seemingly took interest in both Sith Warrior and Sith Inquisitor curriculum or received mixed training. He grew up in an age when the Sith were enforcing the infamous Rule of Two; Sith had learned valuable lessons from previous history and decided against challenging the Republic and the Jedi openly (a change of strategy was required). While the ancient Sith were capable of terminating both threats, internal power struggles and betrayals prevented them from doing so and such events weakened the Sith on the whole. The followers of Rule of Two evaded both risks but slowly and surely worked for their plan to weaken the Republic from within until the time would be right to take it down and the Jedi Order along with it.

 

Brief details of rise of Sidious to prominence:

 

 

One Sith Lord survived—Darth Bane—and his vision for the Sith differed from that of his predecessors. He instituted a new doctrine: No longer would the followers of the dark side build empires or amass great armies of Force-users. There would be only two Sith at a time: a Master and an apprentice. From that time on, the Sith remained in hiding, biding their time and plotting their revenge, while the rest of the galaxy enjoyed an unprecedented era of peace, so long and strong that the Republic eventually dismantled its standing armies.

 

But while the Republic seemed strong, its institutions had begun to rot. Greedy corporations sought profits above all else and a corrupt Senate did nothing to stop them, until the corporations reduced many planets to raw materials for factories and entire species became subjects for exploitation. Individual Jedi continued to defend the Republic's citizens and obey the will of the Force, but the Jedi Order to which they answered grew increasingly out of touch. And a new Sith mastermind, Darth Sidious, at last saw a way to restore Sith domination over the galaxy and its inhabitants, and quietly worked to set in motion the revenge of the Sith … (SWTOR: Revan)

 

 

Sidious actually transformed the Republic in to a Sith Empire from within but he found it impossible to convert the Jedi so he plotted the downfall of the Jedi Order instead. He did manage to seduce a few Jedi to the dark side to do his bidding; his most prominent seductive conquest being the "chosen one" who helped him succeed in his plans. Since the Jedi were a threat, it was important for Sidious to be prepared for any eventuality should the need arise. His combat prowess was such that he could handle multiple powerful opponents simultaneously with combination of his excellent martial skills and high level Force Mastery. He defeated the Sith brothers who endangered his plans, cut down 3 Jedi Masters swiftly who were part of the Jedi Strike Team assembled to arrest him and even defeated Jedi Master Yoda (one of the most powerful Jedi in history of the Order) in single combat. After establishing his Sith Empire, he began to delve deeper in to the secrets of the dark arts by searching for lost information and visiting different planets for this goal. Darth Malgus's knowledge of the dark arts proved to be valuable for Sidious since it set the stage for the latter Sith Lord to gain command of devastating Sith powers and push them to new heights (the iconic Force Storm being the prominent example). It should be kept in mind that knowledge to conjure a Force Storm is not unique to Sidious; it was an ancient talent and Darth Rivan managed to unleash it with the aid of a special amulet. Issue was conjuring up such a power with a natural body could be a very risky venture as Darth Rivan ended up stripped from his powers after teleporting himself in to a future age with a Force Storm he summoned. Therefore, Sidious had to think of a remedy if he wanted to be able to conjure Force Storm without consequences; immortality was the answer. Thus began his pursuit of immortality. Sidious managed to create an imbalance in the Force and the Force decided to retaliate; when Darth Vader betrayed Sidious and apparently killed him, Sidious's essence survived and recovered with the aid of other Sith spirits and managed to possess one of his minions. Sidious had kept a supply of clones on planet Byss (a world absolutely loyal to him) which he would use during emergency situation should he loose his original body. And this plan worked but clones were not perfect and Sidious wanted a strong natural body to sustain his power. On Byss, Sidious spent ample time to recover and rebuild his strength. However, difference was that he was like an immortal entity during this time and his capacity as a practitioner of Force had significantly increased; he managed to siphon energies of all inhabitants of Byss to fuel his power and with such enormous supply of energy reserves, possibilities for him to unleash dark side powers were now seemingly endless. Such power enabled him to conjure Force Storms at will. Sidious was now seemingly the most powerful Sith Lord ever or so it was assumed. Sidious put strong emphasis on developing and honing his offensive capabilities with the Force. He adopted conventional path to gain these talents; he was very intelligent and possessed the capability to learn anything but he had to break free from his biological limitations to achieve great power and be able to do justice with the knowledge of the dark side he acquired.

 

Ground realities of Tenebrae:

 

 

The secretive and supremely powerful Sith Emperor rose from inauspicious beginnings over a thousand years ago. Born to farmers on the planet Mediraas, Tenebrae entered the galaxy without shedding a tear. He regarded his parents with cold, pitiless eyes.

 

As years passed, Tenebrae manifested Force powers and honed his mastery of the dark side. He soon dominated his homeworld, consumed lives of thousands of Sith Lords, and took the title of the one true Sith Emperor. Driven by his quest of immortality and fueled by the energy sapped from his victims, the Emperor lived for centuries, amassing insurmountable power, rebuilding his exiled Empire, and plotting the ascension of his ultimate rule. (SWTORE, Page 160)

 

 

Tenebrae came in to existence in an age when the fields of Sith Alchemy and Sith Sorcery were very popular among the Sith; powerful Sith Lords could perform amazing tasks by choosing the route of Sith Sorcery to gain power.

 

Sith Sorcery is a specialized branch of Sith Inquisitor curriculum:

 

 

Sorcerers wield the power of the dark side to lay waste to their enemies. By bending the Force to their will, sorcerers also use the dark side to mend wounds and shield worthy allies. Whether cutting down a foe with a lightsaber or dominating them with a storm of Force lightning, a Sith sorcerer displays terrifying power on and off the battlefield. (SWTORE, Page 182)

 

 

Tenebrae was naturally incredibly strong in the dark side (most likely gifted with extraordinary midichlorian count) but his history indicates that he didn't receive much formal training to hone his talents like Sidious did. Some talents came naturally to him such as capability to perform Mind Domination, Force Sever and Force Drain. Tenebrae was naturally so powerful that he seized control of an entire world at the age of 13; this is unparalleled accomplishment and display of combat prowess at such a young age. Tenebrae possibly surpassed Marka Ragnos in power in his natural form. Under lack of tutelage of any talented Sith Lord, Tenebrae chose the path of Sith Sorcery to acquire great power. In short, Tenebrae is a self-made Sith Lord. This also explains his unorthodox fighting and power-progression tactics. Regardless of his enormous natural power, Tenebrae wanted to reach a state in which possibilities for him would be endless to utilize dark side talents. Thus began his pursuit of immortality. However, his plan was more complex than this, he wanted to test the limits of his dark side talents and acquire a gigantic supply of energy reserves which would significantly enhance his capacity as a practitioner of the Force. He adopted the path of Sith Sorcery to accomplish these objectives and succeeded; he destroyed his homeworld in the process but gained immortality (while retaining his original biological body) and gigantic supply of energy reserves by trapping souls of all life forms in the void or within himself and his Force Drain capabilities had developed to such a degree that he could continuously siphon energies from all of these trapped souls of life forms he destroyed. Then he crowned himself Sith Emperor and led the Sith survivors in to unknown regions during that time to develop his own Sith Empire. He was very intelligent and created a well-structured society while he himself focused on learning more about the secrets of the dark side with passage of time. Those who think that Tenebrae didn't learn much during his reign as Sith Emperor are kidding themselves; the capability to swiftly destroy most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy simultaneously, should the need arise, does not comes from thin air. He could summon duplicates (realistic illusions) of himself in single combat to confuse his opponents. In addition, when he ventured in to the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas (arguably the most haunted and dangerous place in the Galaxy) he forced all of the deadly supernatural forces/spirits trapped over there in to submission. He was also an incredible telekinetic; demonstrated the capability to nearly atomize durable objects, perform telekinetic feats without any gesture and even collapse buildings. On top of this, he had acquired such power after his transformation that he could possibly unleash destruction on planetary-scale by himself, should he desire. Though the full extent of Tenebrae's capabilities are shrouded in mystery; he was capable of tackling any kind of challenge he came across and he eventually began to develop/demonstrate Abeloth like capabilities to increase his safeguard. Tenebrae also began to influence galactic events by compelling powerful forces to do his bidding; he was responsible for instigating Mandalorian Wars and the consequent Jedi Civil War during which the Jedi Order war almost wiped-out (Yes, Sidious was not the only Sith Lord to accomplish this task) and the Republic significantly weakened, and he personally struck down and subdued many agents of the Republic who sought to eliminate and assassinate him. Most importantly, Tenebrae was planning something far bigger; something that was unthinkable; something that has never been attempted during any era; nobody in all of the galactic history managed to acquire sufficient dark side knowledge to make this kind of objective possible to accomplish; much earlier, Tenebrae's “power reach” was of planetary scale, this time his “power reach” had approached galactic scale. If it not for internal betrayal, he would have been able to transform himself in to an omnipotent godly entity by destroying the entire (Republic spanning) galaxy and rewrite Star Wars history. With such power, he would have been capable of doing anything; possibly create space matter and life itself. However, the Force has its own will and Tenebrae was treading too far this time; it was inevitable that the Force would retaliate and create circumstances that would lead to downfall of the mighty Tenebrae. Make no mistake: Tenebrae could learn and do anything but history teaches us that attempts to create significant imbalance in the Force can backfire.

 

Conclusion:

 

It shall be kept in mind that individuals with unnatural abilities and power often invest their powers in many areas. For example: Tenebrae had invested his powers on galactic scale; simultaneously siphoning energies from huge number of life forms located or trapped on different planets; controlling his children stationed on different planets; continuously performing rituals of incredible scope on Dromund Kaas; empowering Imperial Guard individuals when necessary; and possibly more. He was making such investments to unnaturally prolong his life, maintain his dominance over his Empire and also develop offensive capabilities to destroy the Jedi Order from within without him being required to be on the front lines. His ultimate plan was to gain unlimited power and invincibility and he could make this happen, but the Force had other plans (Force have its own will) and he was treading too far so he had to be stopped. So when he invested his powers further to accomplish this goal, it made him vulnerable at that moment because it was an investment of unprecedented scope. Therefore, not surprisingly, Tenebrae soon found himself under unfavorable circumstances and went down. His plans were brilliant but the Force was not with him.

 

It should be abundantly clear that if Tenebrae prepares himself for combat, he might be able to defeat anybody; possibly even one-shot anybody. He have canonically demonstrated such level of effectiveness when he prepared himself to fight an entire Dark Council; he had not invested his powers much during that time as a hint.

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Incoming "But G-Canon says Sidious is more powerful" comments.

 

I am curious though, what do you make of the Sith Emperor's defeat by the Hero of Tython? (Yes, I know that is a spoiler, but if you haven't heard that by now, you're waaaay behind) To my knowledge, the HoT had no special help (aside from T7, and from the Revan novel we know that the droid couldn't do much to the Sith Emperor) and yet managed to defeat him 1v1.

 

Do you think this is a Mace vs. Sidious type scenario? Because I find that difficult to believe as well, seeing as the Hero of Tython doesn't know Vaapad, and the Sith Emperor seems to be using the full extent of his Force Powers during the duel, while Sidious did not.

 

Basically: if the Sith Emperor was so powerful, why was he defeated in 1v1 combat?

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I stopped reading At "Mighty and Powerful Revan" :p

 

 

IMO he wasn't that powerful in anything other than rituals, and that makes him weak. A lot of sith want his power, and jedi want him dead, if he doesn't have much skill in battle he's f*****

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I am curious though, what do you make of the Sith Emperor's defeat by the Hero of Tython? (Yes, I know that is a spoiler, but if you haven't heard that by now, you're waaaay behind) To my knowledge, the HoT had no special help (aside from T7, and from the Revan novel we know that the droid couldn't do much to the Sith Emperor) and yet managed to defeat him 1v1.

 

Do you think this is a Mace vs. Sidious type scenario? Because I find that difficult to believe as well, seeing as the Hero of Tython doesn't know Vaapad, and the Sith Emperor seems to be using the full extent of his Force Powers during the duel, while Sidious did not.

 

Basically: if the Sith Emperor was so powerful, why was he defeated in 1v1 combat?

The fight is obviously circumstantial. Sith Emperor had commenced his ultimate plan to destroy the entire Galaxy and he invested his powers in a ritual of such scope. This was the right opportunity to strike at him; Lord Scourge set the stage for this event.

 

When HoT arrived, Sith Emperor was not in the position to dominate him with his powers this time since he needed time to disengage from the ritual and revitalize his power. Not to forget, Beren'thor also struck another blow to Sith Emperor during this time by killing his First Son who planned to destroy the Jedi Order from within and aid Sith Emperor in his super-ritual.

 

Also, being most powerful does not makes you invincible or unstoppable; sometimes, a character is in the zone or fully prepared and sometimes vulnerable. Their are many examples:-

 

- Luke and Leia subdued Sidious

- Meetra and Visas subdued Nihilus

- Satele and Mace subdued Malgus

- Luke subdued Abeloth

- Obi-Wan subdued Anakin

- Meetra subdued Traya

 

So battles in Star Wars are never black and white.

 

You are forgetting the fact that Sith Emperor had one-shotted the entire Jedi Strike Team (HoT included) earlier. During this battle, Sith Emperor was free and had not invested his energies anywhere. I hope this clarifies the situation.

 

I stopped reading At "Mighty and Powerful Revan" :p

I suggest that you improve your knowledge about him by buying this book: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-The-Republic-Encyclopedia/dp/0756698391

 

IMO he wasn't that powerful in anything other than rituals, and that makes him weak. A lot of sith want his power, and jedi want him dead, if he doesn't have much skill in battle he's f*****

Your personal opinion matters in front of canon?

 

Read the entire information that I have provided before making absurd assumptions. Rituals themselves involve power of characters; they are not magically performed.

 

Sith Emperor seized control of an entire planet at the age of 13; absolutely phenomenal feat. In addition, the fact that he survived for over 1300 years in a Sith Empire nonetheless is testament to his enormous power. Of-course, once his true nature was revealed, many wanted him to be stopped once and for all. The Force have its own will and when a Force-user begins to cross a red line, the Force creates circumstances that lead to the downfall of such an individual. This is precisely what happened to Sith Emperor.

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AHAHH HA HAHAA AH AHH HH AA AS HAHGFRGRGRTHRTR

 

 

/Invalid thred that is also silly. As GL have said Sidious is the strongest ever.

But hey i guess some silly game sith with phantasy powers is more real the G canon movie Sidious hahaa hh haa a hh ahaha aahaha hah ah ha trololololololo

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AHAHH HA HAHAA AH AHH HH AA AS HAHGFRGRGRTHRTR

 

 

/Invalid thred that is also silly. As GL have said Sidious is the strongest ever.

But hey i guess some silly game sith with phantasy powers is more real the G canon movie Sidious hahaa hh haa a hh ahaha aahaha hah ah ha trololololololo

Show me proof of such statement of GL. Even if he have said such a thing, what makes you think that he considered "Expanded Universe" in the equation? He mostly represents his saga in his interviews; not Expanded Universe. It is common knowledge that Sidious is most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy in his time and GL confirmed this in his interviews, as per my knowledge.

 

Also, objectivity is not your cup of tea, it seems; Vitiate have canonically received "most powerful Sith Lord ever" accolade which makes him a contender at least. Deal with it.

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Also, objectivity is not your cup of tea, it seems; Vitiate have canonically received "most powerful Sith Lord ever" accolade which makes him a contender at least. Deal with it.

 

Where?

Because no. Just no. He's not, he never will be.

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Show me proof of such statement of GL. Even if he have said such a thing, what makes you think that he considered "Expanded Universe" in the equation? He mostly represents his saga in his interviews; not Expanded Universe. It is common knowledge that Sidious is most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy in his time and GL confirmed this in his interviews, as per my knowledge.

 

Also, objectivity is not your cup of tea, it seems; Vitiate have canonically received "most powerful Sith Lord ever" accolade which makes him a contender at least. Deal with it.

 

Just the fact that you have not heared this tells me you are no star wars fan, he have said it many times in intervies.

And no i will not take the time to look it up for you when you clearly dont care about finding out for these things yourself. Also the 1 golden lore rule to star wars. Movie canon is the only canon, rest of off fan canon including writers of novels etc.

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I suggest that you improve your knowledge about him by buying this book: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-The-Republic-Encyclopedia/dp/0756698391

 

 

Your personal opinion matters in front of canon?

 

Read the entire information that I have provided before making absurd assumptions. Rituals themselves involve power of characters; they are not magically performed.

 

Sith Emperor seized control of an entire planet at the age of 13; absolutely phenomenal feat. In addition, the fact that he survived for over 1300 years in a Sith Empire nonetheless is testament to his enormous power. Of-course, once his true nature was revealed, many wanted him to be stopped once and for all. The Force have its own will and when a Force-user begins to cross a red line, the Force creates circumstances that lead to the downfall of such an individual. This is precisely what happened to Sith Emperor.

 

Lulz. We found another Revan fanboi!

Revan was by no means as powerful as you make him out to be. That, and he has a twisted and fractured mind, making him pretty much insane.

 

That's not a phenominal feat.

Its amazing, but not all that phenominal.

It was a planet of simple folk, who were under the rule of a sith lord. He killed the sith lord, and used his power base to keep control of the planet.

Amazing that he kills a sith, the planet? Meh.

 

 

Other sith have done far more impressive things.

 

He survived 1300 years by hiding. That's all he did, he had the ritual, and then he hid.

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Did you read the spoilers in my first post? Those are from canon sources.

 

And?

Many sith came after vitiate, not mentioned in those sources...

I'd go as far to say that half the Banite line were more powerful than Vitiate.

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Just the fact that you have not heared this tells me you are no star wars fan, he have said it many times in intervies.

And no i will not take the time to look it up for you when you clearly dont care about finding out for these things yourself. Also the 1 golden lore rule to star wars. Movie canon is the only canon, rest of off fan canon including writers of novels etc.

I am not new to Star Wars and I have read several of his interviews. Once again, GL talks about his saga in his interviews. Where have he explicitly stated that Sidious surpassed all previous Sith Lords in power that were introduced in EU? Where?

 

Also, he is no longer the BOSS of Star Wares lore; he have retired from it and have opened the lore to creative liberties which is good decision.

 

Lulz. We found another Revan fanboi!

Let me guess! You are not a fan of any character, correct?

 

Revan was by no means as powerful as you make him out to be. That, and he has a twisted and fractured mind, making him pretty much insane.

It is not my fault if he is stated to be "mighty" and "legendary" in canon sources. We do not know about the full extent of his capabilities since much of his story is not documented. Deal with it.

 

That's not a phenominal feat.

Its amazing, but not all that phenominal.

It was a planet of simple folk, who were under the rule of a sith lord. He killed the sith lord, and used his power base to keep control of the planet.

Amazing that he kills a sith, the planet? Meh.

Why not? He began to kill his way to reach the mantle.

 

Nyriss revealed that many powerful Sith Lords inhabited Mediraas and they all fell to the dark side prodigy. She have investigated the planet herself and learned a lot from its records or what have been left of it. Marka Ragnos himself sensed incredible power in Tenebrae when the two met and accepted his rule over Mediraas.

 

Admit it, no other Sith Lord have seized control of a whole planet in this manner and at such a young age. Therefore, his accomplishment is unparalleled.

 

Other sith have done far more impressive things.

Far more impressive things is subjective assessment. There are some Sith Lords who have done things that even Sidious haven't.

 

He survived 1300 years by hiding. That's all he did, he had the ritual, and then he hid.

Yeah right. :rolleyes:

 

I suppose that you didn't even bothered to read the spoilers that I provided.

 

And?

Many sith came after vitiate, not mentioned in those sources...

I'd go as far to say that half the Banite line were more powerful than Vitiate.

This can be easily countered: many Sith Lords who served Sith Emperor were stronger then many Sith Lords who came in the future. For example: Sidious himself acknowledged Darth Malgus as one of his strongest predecessors.

 

Also, the authors who wrote SWTORE (Star Wars The Old Republic Encyclopedia) are not blind; they know the entire saga.

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Ok ending this thread right now....read here..

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=626813

 

Then after, take note of this aswell.....

 

http://galeri3.uludagsozluk.com/180/darth-sidious_252396.jpg

 

 

Sidious > Vitiate, enough already.

I have checked these threads. Information provided in them does not discredits the accolade (most powerful Sith Lord ever) which Tenebrae have also earned in latest canon sources. Sorry.

 

Also, read the "Contrasting Sidious and Vitiate" essay in this thread. It is very neutral and to the point.

 

In addition, the latest Essential series book (from Pablo), which have been written from real world perspective and contains information about Tenebrae, Sidious and Plagueis, doesn't promotes or reaffirms any Sith Lord as most powerful. You need to move on with latest information.

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Hello S_W_LeGenD ,

 

First off , good read !

Second , it is refreshing to have read something different than a bash so and so KotoR or SWTOR thread .

 

Thirdly , you have made many mistakes.

 

You see to be one of the cool kids you have to

Hate everything KotoR

Turn to Rage whenever Revan's name is mentioned

* Down play all his Canons and achievements

* Hate Drew for Writing Revan into being

 

You have to utterly love KotoRII as a far superior game to KotoR and connect nothing to it being a sequel in its superiority.

* Believe that Meetra is a all seeing Jedi God that should have been the first Jedi or Sith to see their death ......

* Believe that Traya is a superior Strategist over Revan (See Revan vs Traya Thread)

 

I mean gesh , how dare you think out the box ! Now join the Cool kids !

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Lulz. We found another Revan fanboi!

Revan was by no means as powerful as you make him out to be. That, and he has a twisted and fractured mind, making him pretty much insane.

 

 

Here I read this was a "Most powerful Sith Lord ever (essential read)" about Vitate , little did I know this was a Revan Fanboi thread !!!!! Tricky Revan fans making threads about other characters in a secret plot to make Revan threads !!!!!

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Well this is very interesting, because I never took much note of these quotes concerning Vitiate in the SWTOR Encyclopedia.

 

Regardless the fact remains that Darth Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history according to G-Canon. Now I'm not sure if a statement was ever made by George Lucas himself but I expect there was. Why? Because of the wealth of source books that state that this is the case. Sourcebooks which are defined as G-Canon. To quote a few:

Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.

 

--Taken from Vader: The Ultimate Guide

 

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

 

--Taken from The New Essential Chronology

 

When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before."

 

--Taken from Insider #86: Yoda's Right Arm

 

Now you are probably thinking that this conflicts with the SWTOR Encyclopedia but it does not. Why? Time period. The context in which the statements about Vitiate being the most powerful Force user in history are set in the Old Republic era. Effectively meaning that Vitiate is the most powerful Force user in history up until this point. Likewise the statements above are made in the context of Sidious' time period, which comes after Vitiate's. This therefore means that Sidious canonically outranks Vitiate.

 

However, what is does mean is that Vitiate can hold a candle to Sidious and then some, which some people don't seem to want to believe. It also means that canonically Vitiate is more powerful than the likes of Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos, Nomi Sunrider, Thon etc. Which is very enlightening indeed.

 

P.S. I'm not going to pretend I read the whole thing, just the first post. Those block of texts... and I know the backstories of all these characters. So you'll have to forgive me.

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Guys, why has this erupted into a flame war within 2 pages? Why can't we all be civil and discuss this like reasoned people? Like it or not the OP is using canon sources to back up his point, and he is not ramming home the idea that Vitiate is more powerful than Sidious and demanding you accept it.

 

He's not a Revan fanboy, well he might be but he's not coming across as a Revan fanboy. Revan after all can be described as 'mighty' and 'legendary'. He's already been described as legendary by a canon source book, and 'mighty' is a very subjective word. So lets lay of the hate when its undeserved. This thread has nothing to do with Revan.

 

I can't say I agree with everything the OP says, but I do respect the canon quotes for what they are - objective. And they should therefore be treated as such. So yes, lets just have a reasoned objective debate here. Thank you.

 

P.S. The majority of comments made in this thread are only fueling the stereotype that we are crazed Lucas fanatics etc. its not doing us any favours.

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Also, read the "Contrasting Sidious and Vitiate" essay in this thread. It is very neutral and to the point.
Exactly, instead let's read the replies in this thread. People are painfully beginning to sound like the anti G-Canon crowd i.e. objective facts met with aggressive replies.

 

Let's not lower ourselves to their level, please.

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Hello S_W_LeGenD ,

 

First off , good read !

Second , it is refreshing to have read something different than a bash so and so KotoR or SWTOR thread .

 

Thirdly , you have made many mistakes.

 

You see to be one of the cool kids you have to

Hate everything KotoR

Turn to Rage whenever Revan's name is mentioned

* Down play all his Canons and achievements

* Hate Drew for Writing Revan into being

 

You have to utterly love KotoRII as a far superior game to KotoR and connect nothing to it being a sequel in its superiority.

* Believe that Meetra is a all seeing Jedi God that should have been the first Jedi or Sith to see their death ......

* Believe that Traya is a superior Strategist over Revan (See Revan vs Traya Thread)

 

I mean gesh , how dare you think out the box ! Now join the Cool kids !

Thanks for giving me a glimpse of prevailing mindset of fans of the Saga in this forum. Now I know what I should expect in my debates here to come across. :D

 

Here I read this was a "Most powerful Sith Lord ever (essential read)" about Vitate , little did I know this was a Revan Fanboi thread !!!!! Tricky Revan fans making threads about other characters in a secret plot to make Revan threads !!!!!

Exactly...

 

What I have written about him and how I have described him in this thread is absolutely his canon representation. But this thread isn't about Revan anyways.

 

Well this is very interesting, because I never took much note of these quotes concerning Vitiate in the SWTOR Encyclopedia.

 

Regardless the fact remains that Darth Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history according to G-Canon. Now I'm not sure if a statement was ever made by George Lucas himself but I expect there was. Why? Because of the wealth of source books that state that this is the case. Sourcebooks which are defined as G-Canon. To quote a few:

 

Now you are probably thinking that this conflicts with the SWTOR Encyclopedia but it does not. Why? Time period. The context in which the statements about Vitiate being the most powerful Force user in history are set in the Old Republic era. Effectively meaning that Vitiate is the most powerful Force user in history up until this point. Likewise the statements above are made in the context of Sidious' time period, which comes after Vitiate's. This therefore means that Sidious canonically outranks Vitiate.

First of all, the key word in the accolade is "ever" and not "history." The word "ever" leaves room for creative liberties in the future content for a character in this position. Therefore, their is no right and wrong answer in this case.

 

Another point is that authors who write these books are aware of other books and what have been written in them or know about major canonical developments at minimum. They respect the continuity but they also have the option to exercise creative liberties when they feel necessary.

 

My perspective is that giving too much credence to outdated sources is not a good idea; I am not saying that canon information in old sources should be ignored (not at all) but latest developments should be kept in mind and assessment be made accordingly.

 

My intention here is not argue in favor of who should be the most powerful Sith Lord in the saga. I just brought a neutral and canonical perspective in to this discussion.

 

If somebody asks me that who will beat each other in single combat?

 

I would say that both Tenebrae and Sidious can win or loose depending upon various factors since both are canonically TOP-TIER Sith Lords.

 

However, what is does mean is that Vitiate can hold a candle to Sidious and then some, which some people don't seem to want to believe. It also means that canonically Vitiate is more powerful than the likes of Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos, Nomi Sunrider, Thon etc. Which is very enlightening indeed.

Agreed.

 

P.S. I'm not going to pretend I read the whole thing, just the first post. Those block of texts... and I know the backstories of all these characters. So you'll have to forgive me.

Well take your time to read all of the information that I have offered. Do also read the essay part.

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Sidious is the most powerful Sithlord in History for many reasons , this does not make Vitate weak by anymeans .

 

Sidious had intervention where is Vitate did not .

Sidious at a very young age like Vitate came into his power by himself . He killed his parents at a childs age and if it was not for Darth Plagius , who knows what Sidious would have done.

Where is Vitate did not have that till later in his life.

 

Sidious was no limited to Force Powers either , he was a very Skilled Lightsaber Duelest who did stand toe to toe with Mace and Yoda . Where Vitate has no skill we can see in Lightsaber Combat and almost totally relies on his Force Powers .

 

Sidious put himself in a spot that he himself could not see the events of his actions . He died early in his Empire but while he was in control , it was the most order that the Galaxy ever seen .

 

Vitate did have more issues that Sidious , but most Sithlords feared Vitate so he rarely if ever was challenged . Malgus being the only one who really believed the Emperor grown weak.

 

Sidious is likely the only thing in G-Canon that can be seen as a very Solid Fact . In lore Sidious had all the knowledge of past Sithlords to learn from , this would give him a upper hand . Sithlords felt passing down knowledge was a good thing which is utterly weird when you think of how selfish they are with Power .

Sidious being the only Sithlord to ever live that kept almost all his knowledge a secret and probably died with a bulk of it .

 

I will agree with you , to the point and likely far after Vitate died , he was likely the most powerful Sithlord .

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Thanks for giving me a glimpse of prevailing mindset of fans of the Saga in this forum. Now I know what I should expect in my debates here to come across. :D

 

 

Exactly...

 

What I have written about him and how I have described him in this thread is absolutely his canon representation. But this thread isn't about Revan anyways.

 

What I find funny is you are saying Vitate is the most powerful ever .............that would make him more powerful than Darth Revan ............and yet you are a Revan Fanboy for doing so...................strange thinking people have when filled with hate.............

Any Mention of Revan sends certain people into a Frenzy ................. I can just picture Wolverine going into blind Rage Mode saying """"RAWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRR REAVANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN"""" as he shreds everything in sight !

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Good thing we cannot post pics , I have a perfect Picture of Raging out that would fit the mindset of those who hate Revan ...........................I even have a Picture of a obesed fat man dressed like Revan that would make a good Revan Fanboi pic ! Too funny:D

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