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A thought experiment


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Greezt
06.16.2016 , 04:59 AM | #1
Put a developer in a box. In addition, put Geiger counter with some radioactive material in it. The material will be of such small amout, every hour there will be a 50% chance that a single atom will decay, and a 50% chance that it won't. If it decays, the counter releases a charge that breaks open a container of ops material. After one hour, the psi-function of this system will indicate that by having the developer working on both cartel market and ops.

Accumulated evidence suggests that this is not the case, however. All this is already known of course (the problem of superposition). The problem with our experiment (which can be repeated with ops, GSF, whatever) is that it always collapses into the same possibility. Therefore, we can assume (by scientific trial) that the copenhagen interpretation is incorrect.

I am inclined to believe that the many-worlds interpretation is correct, and there is some hella lucky universe out there.

I will be sure to mention you all in my Nobel prize acceptance speech.

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Knorlac
06.16.2016 , 05:31 AM | #2
Schrödinger's developer..

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Falensawino
06.16.2016 , 06:07 AM | #3
Very crafty. "but weesa gonna dying, Ani?"
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Warrgames
06.16.2016 , 08:07 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Greezt View Post
Put a developer in a box. In addition, put Geiger counter with some radioactive material in it. The material will be of such small amout, every hour there will be a 50% chance that a single atom will decay, and a 50% chance that it won't. If it decays, the counter releases a charge that breaks open a container of ops material. After one hour, the psi-function of this system will indicate that by having the developer working on both cartel market and ops.

Accumulated evidence suggests that this is not the case, however. All this is already known of course (the problem of superposition). The problem with our experiment (which can be repeated with ops, GSF, whatever) is that it always collapses into the same possibility. Therefore, we can assume (by scientific trial) that the copenhagen interpretation is incorrect.

I am inclined to believe that the many-worlds interpretation is correct, and there is some hella lucky universe out there.

I will be sure to mention you all in my Nobel prize acceptance speech.
Please look up radioactive martials.
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Greezt
06.16.2016 , 08:44 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Warrgames View Post
Please look up radioactive martials.
What would be the point?

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ikinai
06.16.2016 , 09:05 AM | #6
Actually it doesn't 'collapse' into the same 'possibility' what it does is return to it's natural observable state unless acted upon by an outside force. Given enough force/energy transference you can change the natural state, but then you either end up with an unstable entity or you have something other than intended. Either of which could lead to instability or degradation. What you truly want is to form a connective bond pair with complimentary elements.
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Greezt
06.16.2016 , 10:02 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by ikinai View Post
Actually it doesn't 'collapse' into the same 'possibility' what it does is return to it's natural observable state unless acted upon by an outside force. Given enough force/energy transference you can change the natural state, but then you either end up with an unstable entity or you have something other than intended. Either of which could lead to instability or degradation. What you truly want is to form a connective bond pair with complimentary elements.
Yes! Taking physics jokes seriously... Let's do this!

If you are familiar with Schrödinger's cat paradox (I'm assuming you are) you know that the system's psi function shows the cat as both alive and dead at the same time after a while (because the random nature of radioactive decay at single atom amounts makes it impossible to predict when will which atom decay).

What do you mean by "natural observable state"? The whole point of the thought experiment is that the two states are equally plausible, and this is why the psi function would have both the living and dead cat simultaneously (or in our case, the developer working on both ops and cartel market).

If we repeat our experiment enough times, you expect to have a ratio of devs working on cartel market to devs working on anything else of roughly 1/1. This is because of the 50% decay chance of our radioactive material. Note that in the experiment we use a small amount of material so half-life doesn't appear in our equations.

What I meant by "collapse into the same possibility" is that every single time we peek in our box, we see devs working on cartel market, whereas half the time we would expect to see them working on something else.

Bring it.

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sithlordschmidt
06.16.2016 , 10:02 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Greezt View Post
Put a developer in a box. In addition, put Geiger counter with some radioactive material in it. The material will be of such small amout, every hour there will be a 50% chance that a single atom will decay, and a 50% chance that it won't. If it decays, the counter releases a charge that breaks open a container of ops material. After one hour, the psi-function of this system will indicate that by having the developer working on both cartel market and ops.

Accumulated evidence suggests that this is not the case, however. All this is already known of course (the problem of superposition). The problem with our experiment (which can be repeated with ops, GSF, whatever) is that it always collapses into the same possibility. Therefore, we can assume (by scientific trial) that the copenhagen interpretation is incorrect.

I am inclined to believe that the many-worlds interpretation is correct, and there is some hella lucky universe out there.

I will be sure to mention you all in my Nobel prize acceptance speech.
"Never tell me the odds"
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Warrgames
06.16.2016 , 10:30 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Greezt View Post
What would be the point?
So you don't make post that show you clear have no idea what you are talking about.
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ikinai
06.16.2016 , 10:34 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Greezt View Post
Yes! Taking physics jokes seriously... Let's do this!

If you are familiar with Schrödinger's cat paradox (I'm assuming you are) you know that the system's psi function shows the cat as both alive and dead at the same time after a while (because the random nature of radioactive decay at single atom amounts makes it impossible to predict when will which atom decay).

What do you mean by "natural observable state"? The whole point of the thought experiment is that the two states are equally plausible, and this is why the psi function would have both the living and dead cat simultaneously (or in our case, the developer working on both ops and cartel market).

If we repeat our experiment enough times, you expect to have a ratio of devs working on cartel market to devs working on anything else of roughly 1/1. This is because of the 50% decay chance of our radioactive material. Note that in the experiment we use a small amount of material so half-life doesn't appear in our equations.

What I meant by "collapse into the same possibility" is that every single time we peek in our box, we see devs working on cartel market, whereas half the time we would expect to see them working on something else.

Bring it.
So you thought you'd make a physics joke, if you understood what I was saying, you'd see that I switched the joke to a chemistry joke, but it seems the electron moved to a different state, I'm guessing it was Idaho.
I'll tell you what, then. Why don't you call me some time when you have no class?
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