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Secrets of the Enclave deco drop rate too low

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Secrets of the Enclave deco drop rate too low
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Desplain
04.29.2021 , 05:43 PM | #1
I've been running the flaspoint 15 times and only got one decoration!

I hope that isn't intended.

Flashpoints like Nathema and Traitor among the Chiss are dropping far more decorations.
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JediBoadicea
04.29.2021 , 06:37 PM | #2
I am encountering a similar issue to the OP. I came here looking for a bug report because I just completed three runs where no deco was rewarded at all.

So I'm making this post for two reasons. One, to report the bug and to hope that this is in fact a bug (not a deliberate design choice) that can be addressed asap.

But second, to put out there for dev consideration that the way decos have been handled in the new Spirit of Vengeance and Secrets of the Enclave flashpoints is really terrible.

The Traitor Among the Chiss FP started an excellent trend for flashpoint decos, which was carried on into Nathema and Objective Meridian. (Arguably this half-way started with Umbara, but it started best with Traitor.) Prior to that point, a Flashpoint only ever had one unique decoration associated with it (with the exception of Blood Hunt that had two until the Illumination Probe Crate deco was bugged completely out of the game), which eventually was made a guaranteed reward upon FP completion. But Traitor, Nathema, and Meridian introduced a wonderfully large amount of decos associated with each FP (between 18-20 each), and made it so that every boss was guaranteed to drop a random deco from that selection.

That model is WONDERFUL. It means that anyone has a chance to work and grind for all those decos, all they need is modest patience and a bit of effort to keep running that FP, knowing that even if the RNG drop is against them on a specific deco, they're still getting deco duplicates to either unlock or sell. It also means that a good supply of those decos filters into the GTN at reasonable prices.

But Spirit and Secrets have a completely TERRIBLE model. You're still introducing a very large number of decos associated with the FP (21 for Secrets, the most of any FP yet) which is great... but there's no longer a guarantee of even ONE deco at the end of the FP. The effort-to-reward ratio here is completely ABYSMAL. It means a dedicated solo grinder has almost no chance of playing the RNG game to get all those decos in anything less than honestly hundreds of hours; just look at the OP's report of 15 runs yielding only one single deco. Even if he'd gotten one deco each time, it wouldn't have been enough to get all the decos the FP has to offer. This super-scarce model also means that the prices are ridiculously high on the GTN (and you can see that they stay that way, just look at the prices for the Spirit decos even now; deliberately creating even more GTN inflation with a model like this feels poorly thought out).

This honestly doesn't make any sense. Why design so many decos to be associated with a FP, even more than were associated Traitor or Nathema which introduced the one-deco-per-boss model, only to make it so incredibly tedious to acquire them?

I sincerely hope you will consider reversing this terrible model and make the Spirit of Vengeance and Secrets of the Enclave flashpoints drop one guaranteed deco per boss like the previous FPs do.

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Desplain
04.30.2021 , 06:22 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by JediBoadicea View Post

But Spirit and Secrets have a completely TERRIBLE model. You're still introducing a very large number of decos associated with the FP (21 for Secrets, the most of any FP yet) which is great... but there's no longer a guarantee of even ONE deco at the end of the FP. The effort-to-reward ratio here is completely ABYSMAL. It means a dedicated solo grinder has almost no chance of playing the RNG game to get all those decos in anything less than honestly hundreds of hours; just look at the OP's report of 15 runs yielding only one single deco. Even if he'd gotten one deco each time, it wouldn't have been enough to get all the decos the FP has to offer. This super-scarce model also means that the prices are ridiculously high on the GTN (and you can see that they stay that way, just look at the prices for the Spirit decos even now; deliberately creating even more GTN inflation with a model like this feels poorly thought out).

This honestly doesn't make any sense. Why design so many decos to be associated with a FP, even more than were associated Traitor or Nathema which introduced the one-deco-per-boss model, only to make it so incredibly tedious to acquire them?

I sincerely hope you will consider reversing this terrible model and make the Spirit of Vengeance and Secrets of the Enclave flashpoints drop one guaranteed deco per boss like the previous FPs do.
I totally agree with you!!!
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Ruvalie
04.30.2021 , 07:10 AM | #4
I only did one run of the flashpoint, didn't bother doing it again after zero deco drops. As a decorating enthusiast, I still run Nathema, Copero, and Star Fortresses all the time for decos. If they drop so infrequently on SotE, I'll never do it again except for the story, because there's nothing to make it worthwhile. This had better be a bug.

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DarkTergon
04.30.2021 , 08:03 AM | #5
I thought the deco dropped in a box at the end, or is that just solo? (I've only done it once so far...lol)
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Desplain
04.30.2021 , 12:42 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkTergon View Post
I thought the deco dropped in a box at the end, or is that just solo? (I've only done it once so far...lol)
That's when you play it for the first time.

Later on in story mode the bosses should drop a decoration like they do in Nathema or Traitor among the Chiss.
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JediBoadicea
04.30.2021 , 06:05 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Desplain View Post
That's when you play it for the first time.

Later on in story mode the bosses should drop a decoration like they do in Nathema or Traitor among the Chiss.
Exactly this. I got a box the first time I did the FP as part of the solo story chain, with one deco. I have not gotten that ever again in the subsequent runs. That happened with Spirit of Vengeance too and eventually they "fixed" it to make it so that the box with one deco is supposed to drop at the end of every SOV run (I can't confirm that, because the inability to stealth through that FP made it so that I'll never play it again for grinding purposes). So I suppose they might do a similar "fix" for Spirits.

However I really can't emphasize enough what a completely awful model that is. Introducing 18-20 decos per FP was done hand-in-hand with a model that had each boss in a FP drop a random deco. Which is GREAT. But introducing 21 decos with a new FP with at best only one single random deco per run (assuming the current issue even gets fixed)? That's terrible.

Making the Spirit and Secrets FPs operate like their predecessors with one-deco-per-boss actually helps absolutely everyone. It helps deco enthusiasts who are incentivized to run the FP repeatedly to get all the decos and multiples (who the heck needs just one column?). It helps anyone who is running the FP for other reasons to get the additional bonus of multiple deco drops they can sell for some profit. It helps everyone who has to buy decos off the GTN by keeping the prices reasonable rather than stupidly exorbitant due to completely unnecessary scarcity.

Absolutely no one is hurt by making it one-deco-per-boss, whereas the people for whom the decos are specifically made - the actual decorators - are absolutely the only ones hurt by the current model. I really hope the devs will consider changing this.

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Desplain
05.01.2021 , 05:38 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by JediBoadicea View Post
Exactly this. I got a box the first time I did the FP as part of the solo story chain, with one deco. I have not gotten that ever again in the subsequent runs. That happened with Spirit of Vengeance too and eventually they "fixed" it to make it so that the box with one deco is supposed to drop at the end of every SOV run (I can't confirm that, because the inability to stealth through that FP made it so that I'll never play it again for grinding purposes). So I suppose they might do a similar "fix" for Spirits.

However I really can't emphasize enough what a completely awful model that is. Introducing 18-20 decos per FP was done hand-in-hand with a model that had each boss in a FP drop a random deco. Which is GREAT. But introducing 21 decos with a new FP with at best only one single random deco per run (assuming the current issue even gets fixed)? That's terrible.

Making the Spirit and Secrets FPs operate like their predecessors with one-deco-per-boss actually helps absolutely everyone. It helps deco enthusiasts who are incentivized to run the FP repeatedly to get all the decos and multiples (who the heck needs just one column?). It helps anyone who is running the FP for other reasons to get the additional bonus of multiple deco drops they can sell for some profit. It helps everyone who has to buy decos off the GTN by keeping the prices reasonable rather than stupidly exorbitant due to completely unnecessary scarcity.

Absolutely no one is hurt by making it one-deco-per-boss, whereas the people for whom the decos are specifically made - the actual decorators - are absolutely the only ones hurt by the current model. I really hope the devs will consider changing this.
I totally agree!
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Farferello
05.01.2021 , 08:13 AM | #9
I've done multiple runs and gotten a deco maybe every other run but its only one and a lot of the time it's either a pillar or... some rumble. I've gotten maybe 3? 4? different decos so far but if there are more types then the drop rate needs to be a bit higher. As a decorating enthusiast it's a shame when the drops rates are low.

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Damask_Rose
05.01.2021 , 10:42 AM | #10
Completely agree. I've only run SoV once and will never run it again for anything but story completion. It was far too tedious for just one decoration. None of the flashpoints are worth re-running if they don't guarantee at least one for completion.