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why is the deserter lockout still present in regs?

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why is the deserter lockout still present in regs?

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TrixxieTriss
05.31.2021 , 12:14 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
I played most of yesterday solo an didn't come across any noticeable premades. The minute I formed a group I ran into a premade every match and we were only a group of 3 people. This has been my experience every time I run a group. See for yourself sometime if you don't believe me.

Despite what you want to believe, the system does prioritize group vs group before putting group vs soio.
The biggest issue with premadeís is when there are an uneven number of them in the queue and population is low at that time. Then you can see a premade vs full pug every match.

This has become even worse in the new lowbie bracket since they merged them. Biowareís reasoning was to put more people together, but thatís not whatís happening, less people are actually playing lowbies than before (at the times I play).

The other night I played for 4 hours across multiple Alts and there was only one premade in the queue for that 4 hours and they were all above lvl 70. Have you ever tried to play arena against a premade vs pug and expected to carry the team because your the only other good player in the queue? So you get matched against the premade everytime? Then Amplify that when your whole team is sub lvl 40 and the other team is all above lvl 70.

Itís exhausting and draining on your mental abilities to not snap at your own team. But itís not their fault because itís lowbies and they are learning. Itís also not ranked, so expectations are low to start with. And the premade is still there farming these people. Itís sad and trollish behaviour when it gets to that lvl,

The few 8 vs 8 matches I got were against this premade too. Every single one. Whatís sad is these guys were good and were obviously ranked ability players trolling. Itís these sorts of premades that give every premades a bad name. Itís also this sort of system that allows premades vs pugs that creates toxicity and rage in matches,

I saw so much toxicity towards the premade team that I started to defend their right to premade, but I also privately pointed out to them that lowbies isnít the place for players like them to be premading and trolling new players. They didnít seem to care and called me bad. At which point I logged off for the night (as Im sure many others did too).

Premades can have a place, but they can also ruin the majority of peoples fun in the queue if there arenít other premades for them to play.
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ALaggyGrunt
05.31.2021 , 03:58 AM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
The biggest issue with premadeís is when there are an uneven number of them in the queue and population is low at that time. Then you can see a premade vs full pug every match.

This has become even worse in the new lowbie bracket since they merged them. Biowareís reasoning was to put more people together, but thatís not whatís happening, less people are actually playing lowbies than before (at the times I play).

The other night I played for 4 hours across multiple Alts and there was only one premade in the queue for that 4 hours and they were all above lvl 70. Have you ever tried to play arena against a premade vs pug and expected to carry the team because your the only other good player in the queue? So you get matched against the premade everytime? Then Amplify that when your whole team is sub lvl 40 and the other team is all above lvl 70.

Itís exhausting and draining on your mental abilities to not snap at your own team. But itís not their fault because itís lowbies and they are learning. Itís also not ranked, so expectations are low to start with. And the premade is still there farming these people. Itís sad and trollish behaviour when it gets to that lvl,

The few 8 vs 8 matches I got were against this premade too. Every single one. Whatís sad is these guys were good and were obviously ranked ability players trolling. Itís these sorts of premades that give every premades a bad name. Itís also this sort of system that allows premades vs pugs that creates toxicity and rage in matches,

I saw so much toxicity towards the premade team that I started to defend their right to premade, but I also privately pointed out to them that lowbies isnít the place for players like them to be premading and trolling new players. They didnít seem to care and called me bad. At which point I logged off for the night (as Im sure many others did too).

Premades can have a place, but they can also ruin the majority of peoples fun in the queue if there arenít other premades for them to play.
They don't have the right to premade, though. This may in fact break ToS:

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Interfere with or disrupt another player's use of an EA Service. This includes disrupting the normal flow of game play, chat or dialogue within an EA Service by, for example, using vulgar or harassing language, being abusive, excessive shouting (all caps), spamming, flooding or hitting the return key repeatedly.
If they can't run groups in lowbies without thoroughly ruining the experience for everyone else, they need to not run groups in lowbies at all. If they continue to make the game a worse place just for the sake of knowing they ruined someone's day, well... that's why there's the banhammer.

I personally think it's good that they're teaching the lowbies what PvP is all about and where it always goes, but I guess I'm just jaded and cynical.

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Raansu
05.31.2021 , 08:20 AM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by ALaggyGrunt View Post
They don't have the right to premade, though. This may in fact break ToS:



If they can't run groups in lowbies without thoroughly ruining the experience for everyone else, they need to not run groups in lowbies at all. If they continue to make the game a worse place just for the sake of knowing they ruined someone's day, well... that's why there's the banhammer.

I personally think it's good that they're teaching the lowbies what PvP is all about and where it always goes, but I guess I'm just jaded and cynical.
That is the biggest stretch of nonsense I've ever seen lol.

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Severith
05.31.2021 , 08:22 AM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by ALaggyGrunt View Post
They don't have the right to premade, though. This may in fact break ToS:



If they can't run groups in lowbies without thoroughly ruining the experience for everyone else, they need to not run groups in lowbies at all. If they continue to make the game a worse place just for the sake of knowing they ruined someone's day, well... that's why there's the banhammer.

I personally think it's good that they're teaching the lowbies what PvP is all about and where it always goes, but I guess I'm just jaded and cynical.
Winning in a warzone should be an automatic ban, on the off chance that someone was offended, or had a bad day because they weren't confirmed as the savior of the galaxy for the 47th time.

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_Miriya_
06.01.2021 , 07:12 PM | #95
With more population playing regs (due "brilliant" idea and invasion of GC players) the pops are healthy and fast. When i say healthy is just a way of saying, they are quite terrible, because most players don't actually want to be there.

Anyway. Considering also that, and what it has been written here: we need the lockout on regs to exist no more. Keep it for ranked if you must, makes sense only there. Or put a window time before match starts to let you leave, at least (tho, that doesn't help at all people with disconnects issues).

Please remove it.

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malyj
06.02.2021 , 03:51 AM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by abhaxus View Post
There has never been something that so consistently is hated by your community. This needs to be removed immediately. I am not sure why you think it is a good idea to punish players because of your own design choices and bugs.
bioware claims it is to create a less toxic environment. the real reason is they ask number farming ******* what they should do to fix regs and the only suggestion they gave was the leave timer, because people leaving ruins their number farm. it was also an easy change to make it look like they are doing something to address the situation in regs without actually addressing any of the real issues contributing to the problem.

the real issue stems from how imbalanced teams are 95% of the time and from the devs being so bad at their jobs that people don't care about trying to win the match. instead they try to pad the scoreboard as much as possible in an attempt to impress themselves.

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Raansu
06.02.2021 , 07:07 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by _Miriya_ View Post
(tho, that doesn't help at all people with disconnects issues).

Please remove it.
If you're having disconnect issues then you should fix that first. You're ruining the game for the other people on your team. The lockout isn't going anywhere, and rightfully so.

Quote: Originally Posted by malyj View Post
bioware claims it is to create a less toxic environment. the real reason is they ask number farming ******* what they should do to fix regs and the only suggestion they gave was the leave timer, because people leaving ruins their number farm. it was also an easy change to make it look like they are doing something to address the situation in regs without actually addressing any of the real issues contributing to the problem.

the real issue stems from how imbalanced teams are 95% of the time and from the devs being so bad at their jobs that people don't care about trying to win the match. instead they try to pad the scoreboard as much as possible in an attempt to impress themselves.
So how often do you break 1mil damage? Do you ever do more than 2k dps? Have you ever considered that the problem is not matchmaking, but you? Every day I play and I get teams full of people that keyboard turn, don't use keybinds, don't read the tooltips on their abilities and never use their DCD's and end a full game with 100k damage and I still manage to win more than lose while solo queueing.

Maybe instead of asking them to remove the lockout so you can jump ship at the first sign of a team not carrying you, you should try instead to get better at the game.

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_Miriya_
06.02.2021 , 11:18 AM | #98
Oh geez, how I didnt think of that? lol

If you must know, I don't have disconnect issues, maybe sometimes, like most of people. But my friends can have a disconnect problem too and that makes it a group problem. You know, friends? Multiplayer game? :P

Also, if you even play pvp you know there are bug inside the warzones that can force you to get out of it.

The disconnect is not the main problem of the lockout, just one. These points have been mentioned everywhere.

"Is regs". If someone has a disconnect problem and leaves a match is not the end of the world for an ops group formed by 8 players. This is an opinion from a player who likes regs , plays a lot of regs, and plays to win. So , yea. Remove the lockout in regs, keep it for ranked.

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_Miriya_
06.02.2021 , 11:35 AM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
Maybe instead of asking them to remove the lockout so you can jump ship at the first sign of a team not carrying you, you should try instead to get better at the game.
Actually if we have those kind of players in our team, I want them out of it soon as possible. But they don't leave. They stay AFK, because brilliant Lockout.

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Raansu
06.02.2021 , 12:01 PM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by _Miriya_ View Post
Actually if we have those kind of players in our team, I want them out of it soon as possible. But they don't leave. They stay AFK, because brilliant Lockout.
What good does afking do when you need a win to complete the daily and weekly? The lockout and the daily changes is one of the better things they have done for pvp.