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BobFredJohn
09.28.2014 , 06:59 AM | #4931
Just had a run which didn't really go wrong, it was bad players not really causing issues but just generally being bad.

I have noticed this weekend on ToFN nobody has been queuing for any fp's, I therefore subject myself to the horrors of kdy so I actually get something to do.

Gf pops and shows im the only dps (with my sent) and there are 3 tanks. This should be interesting.

group is my 41 sent, a 17 vanguard, a 20 shadow and a 27 shadow.

Zone in and take a look. Vanguard is in the orange cell (forgot name, the base one you get from the start), the other 2 are shadows from the same guild (whose name couldn't be any more clear that it is a Hungarian guild). This is reinforced by some form of foreign being used in the chat by these 2. Both are in shadow technique. It seems these 3 "tanks" are all dps.

We get the conversation done and move off towards the shuttle. When at the shuttle myself and the vanguard have a tick over our heads, as well as 1 of the shadows. The other one isn't clicking and, after waiting 2 minutes, I ask him (by name so its clear) to click. Both of the Hungarian shadows then speak up stating they are just logging into ts. I have a feeling these 2 are either obsessed with ts, absolutely awful at co-coordinating without ts, or have never done kdy before so don't know it really doesn't require ts.

We eventually get into the shuttle when I spacebar the flying through space cutscene, at least 1 person doesn't as the cutscene doesn't skip and mr "wait 2 minutes before shuttle while I set up my ts for this kdy run" starts getting abusive that we aren't skipping and taking too long....

First room is starship assembly. The fights are pretty much normal (as normal as can be expected from 2 low lvl foreign shadows: force wave on cd), and considering all these 3 people are dps who just forgot to untick tanking box im not very surprised (though annoyed they queue for something they flat out refuse to do) by a conversation we have:
me: pull
shadow: waiting for someone to attack
me: theres 3 (apparently) tanks here, and you want the 1 dps to pull?
shadow: so you will just stand there until we start the fight?
me: all 3 of you claim to be tanks

It ends up that im pulling all the fights in a group with 3 other dps who think they are tanks, though I am a sentinal so I suppose I should be pulling before the tank. Once we get to the table I take a quick glance (I have been in kdy so many times I have figured there are only 3 different builds, and each build has a different layout on the table so the problem can be done with a simple glance) and state the correct build in group chat. We get all 3 codes, 1 of the shadows had been waiting in the middle while we get last code and they unlocked it all. Once it was all unlocked I repeated the build, however this person doesn't seem to care about exp (what sort of person runs kdy if they don't want exp) so builds it wrong. Both Hungarians then tell me im being stupid saying theres no exp if you fail as "you fight 6 elites". I ask them to type out their current exp before we kill the 6 droids, they do. Once we get to the lift I then ask them to type out their exp again. They decide im being an elitist pr*ck and should get stuffed.

Second room is the armoury. I end up laughing my butt off at the events of the first pull. These 2 are clearly discussing things on ts as they tell us to wait, move down the stairs and stealth cc some enemies in the first pull (you know the 2 standards and 1 strong dog). They spend about 1 minute moving their cc's around (and I assume discussing where the cc should go in ts) before they settle on ccing the dog and enemy in the middle. I therefore target the enemy on the left (I know im a sent, I should target cc'ed stuff but they put so much work into deciding that I don't want to ruin it) and wait for the pull....which comes, in the form of both shadows using force wave at the same time, breaking both cc's and moving the enemy I had targeted round a corner so I am now LOSed. I struggle for the first few pulls of this room as I can barely see due to crying with laughter.

We get to the end of the room and, as can be expected from such players we skip the elite def, I point out this results in less exp but they ignore me, complete the room then we fight the elite def. However....by the end of this room the vanguard has switched to ion cell and guarded me, so at least there is 1 good person in the group.

Get to final boss, the bloke with the grenades. Vanguard calls out "left first" then pulls. We get going and then grenades come at us, myself, the vanguard and 1 shadow go left station, other goes right. I can't understand how 2 people on ts can't even organise themselves to move to the same station.

At the end myself and the vanguard say our goodbye's, however 1 of the shadows is annoyed that he has had to carry myself (the only 1 who attacked the adds) and the vanguard (who tanked the last boss well) through the mission.
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Nakkyi
09.28.2014 , 05:29 PM | #4932
Had a pretty frustrating run on my guardian today. Queued up as DPS(I wasn't in the mood to tank) and got Athiss SM. First, it takes like 5 different pops before we get a full group, 3 of which all timed out, so it took a good 10 extra minutes just waiting for someone to accept. Our composition was me, a guardian tank, a shadow dps, and sage healer. When we all enter, the tank immediately drops group without a word. Something, I still don't get. I mean, if I get a FP I don't want to do, I just ask for a kick instead of dealing with a lockout.

Anyway, the shadow proceeds to pull the stuff around the elevator instead of just dropping down. Well, he dies and rages that no one helped him. I tell him to just drop down the hole and ignore the droids. I kindly ask him to just stealth pass the mobs guarding the explosives. He proceeds to do so, but then force waves them on the way out. >_>

We get a replacement tank, a guardian. The pulls to the first boss go rather well, but the shadow is taking a page from Bad Shadows 101 and using Force Wave on CD, Shadow Strike without procs, so on and so forth. First boss, the tank isn't holding aggro on anything, at which point I realize she isn't even using a form at all. Luckily, we down her with no one dying. Boss drops a strength head piece, which the sage needs on accident. She apologizes and politely offers to trade it to me or the tank. I explain that mine is better, while the tank says nothing. We move onwards, with the shadow continuing his bad playing, making things a bit more frustrating. The tank tries to help, but is extremely rude about it. I whisper the shadow, trying to give tips, but he gets quite defensive about it. Saying things along the lines of sticking to my class(my sin is my main and is working towards NiM content), l2p noob, and others.

On topic, one of the random mobs drops a green pair of willpower gloves. The shadow needs, and the tank begins to rage. Telling people to stop ninja-ing drops, saying this group would have fallen apart without her, etc. and proceeds to rage-quit. I queue us up, yet again, this time as a tank. We get our replacement, a sage dps. This sage would constantly run up, force wave, and run to a knocked back mob and only use double strike. I don't know that I saw him use project or TKT once.

Second boss goes surprisingly well. On the way to the last boss, the shadow actually listened to my suggestion of CC'ing some of the mobs to make things easier, and rarely used his force wave. Last boss, things go well at first. Healer is cleansing the DoT's in a timely manner so she can assist with DPS and make things faster, but the dps sage is still just.....yeah. First stealth the dps sage gets the flame debuff, and just stands there and dies. He rages about not getting heals, and the healer says "I don't have a cleanse for stupidity. #sorryboutit", at which point I about lost it. Funniest thing I've heard in a while. She releases to the start, and runs back. Well, we whittle down the boss. Then I notice about 6 red dots circling round my map. The sage just ran through pulling every single mob in the temple. She makes it to the boss, and dies again. And rages again. We manage to kill the boss before getting overwhelmed. Before we wipe, I ask the shadow to force cloak so we don't need to run back. Well he doesn't. So, despite killing the boss, we have to run back through the temple to get the freaking objective done for it to count.

We loot the boss, and he drops a willpower chest and an assault cannon. I just greed both. Chest went to the healer and I got the cannon. I checked to make sure I didn't need(I get paranoid when I get something not for my class), which I didn't. And yet again, the dps sage rages about how he didn't get anything. I quickly left, ignored the dps sage, friended the sage, and got an apology from the shadow for being a bit rude earlier and even asked if I could give him some advice or guides to read.

TL;DR: Wrongly arrogant "tank", very angry DPS sage, good healer, and shadow who actually listened to advice.
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BlueShiftRecall
09.28.2014 , 07:24 PM | #4933
Had a bad run last night on Mando raiders. I was the scoundrel healer we had a commando tank and 1 knight DPS and one consular DPS. My first thought is this is going to be fun with one of each class. As soon as we all get in the knight says he’ll brb and so we wait and about 5 minutes later he comes back but without telling anyone and runs forward into the first room and manages to draw everything. Me and the other two quickly run after him and he’s already down to about 20% and runs back behind us where he appears to go AFK. The DPS is doing her job and so is the Tank but I quickly noticed for the first time that despite the Tank doing what tanks do best I see she’s very under geared and so is getting hammered away at very quickly. Us 3 only just manage to get through the first mob with no help from our knight DPS and I’d had to pop Cool head because the tank was just taking so much damage without gear so she was quite low on health and I had almost no energy left. The knight DPS suddenly comes back to life and while we’ve just started to recuperate he charged into the next room with still only about 20% health and once again draws everything in the room promptly dies and we soon follow. The same seems to happen until we finally reach the first boss. Our consular sets out a plan but the knight DPS ignores it and charges straight in again drawing all 3 onto him and within seconds he’s down to about 20% health and proceeds to run back out the room and go AFK again (Seriously??? Was starting to think he was just a troll) we all run in but with the tank just taking so much damage we all die pretty quick. We all end up back at the start area when I noticed the knight isn’t there waiting for us I look at the map and see’s he’s running back to the first Boss and once again starts attacking alone whilst we’re all back at the area start point. By this stage it’s been at least 40min and I quit

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JacksonMo
09.28.2014 , 08:50 PM | #4934
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
That's exactly why I NEVER do a female character in ANY online game.

I had a weird experience the day before yesterday :

I wanted to do the "Assault On Korriban" FP because I had never done this quest line before.
Me, I'm a pure story player. Without storym, SWTOR is notjing but thin air to me.
In the end, I ended up doimng "Assault on Tython", because that's what the quest leader was doing.
I had told him that I wanted to do Korriban first, but I was so stupid on the other hand that I didn't pay much attention to his remarks about doing Tython.

He apologised, but for me, a story player, THIS part of the story is now horribly screwed.
I need weeks to get gback to that. If ever.

That's the weakness story players have, because 99,99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 % of all SWTOR players are NOT story players. They are just not interested in any story of any kind.

I won't do these FPs in the next weeks or months. They're dead for me now until I've forgotten THIS screwed "beginning".
Totally false!!
After a while you know the script by heart and could play act the cut scenes word for word.
We get that there are new players, and would appreciate a heads up if this is your first time through this particular one instead of making us stare at the "waiting" message endlessly.

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Halinalle
09.28.2014 , 09:33 PM | #4935
Quote: Originally Posted by Nakkyi View Post
but the shadow is taking a page from Bad Shadows 101 and using Force Wave on CD
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This sage would constantly run up, force wave, and run to a knocked back mob and only use double strike. I don't know that I saw him use project or TKT once.
I have started leveling Operative and Powertech on Red Eclipse and I just remembered that I'm going to be in so much frustration and pain.

At least the Shadow started to learn... Wait a minute... What just happened? Could you repeat that?

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AbsolutGrndZero
09.28.2014 , 09:46 PM | #4936
Quote: Originally Posted by thewitchdoctor View Post
I'm quite the opposite. I now almost exclusively play female, red-skinned twi'leks. IT'S NOT AN OBSESSION!

Anyways, I have actually had zero issues like this in THIS game except one, 'wow, our Mara is hot' comment. (None of them dress like strippers).

My one experience like this was in LBRS in WoW ... on my ... wait for it ... female night elf hunter. (I know, I was like the ONLY one on my server! Not.) And some dude just would not stop trying to sex me up. Finally, I just typed in /party chat, 'look Buddy, I'm sure my d**k is bigger than yours and tell your Mum hello and thanks for last night.' THAT shut him up.
Yeah, I mostly play female characters in games (although this one I'm about 50/50) and when I get a guy hitting on me (and some of my characters do wear somewhat revealing (or less) clothes, I see it the same as I do IRL, don't think that a woman's choice of clothing is an open invitation to harass her) I'm just like "I'm not looking for a date, leave me alone" at least if its' mor than just "nice" or some such... like if they are actively hitting on me... especially since I'm on Harbinger, which isn't even an RP server.
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DogeDandolo
09.29.2014 , 12:50 AM | #4937
Quote: Originally Posted by AbsolutGrndZero View Post
Yeah, I mostly play female characters in games (although this one I'm about 50/50) and when I get a guy hitting on me (and some of my characters do wear somewhat revealing (or less) clothes, I see it the same as I do IRL, don't think that a woman's choice of clothing is an open invitation to harass her) I'm just like "I'm not looking for a date, leave me alone" at least if its' mor than just "nice" or some such... like if they are actively hitting on me... especially since I'm on Harbinger, which isn't even an RP server.
I tend to flirt back (except on my merc, who is lesbian). Also, my Cathar Shadow meows.
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Darkelefantos
09.29.2014 , 02:46 AM | #4938
Quote: Originally Posted by JacksonMo View Post
Totally false!!
After a while you know the script by heart and could play act the cut scenes word for word.
We get that there are new players, and would appreciate a heads up if this is your first time through this particular one instead of making us stare at the "waiting" message endlessly.
You say that. But there are enough people who disagree with you, who will rage in chat, (attempt to) vote kick etc. I was once in a Black Talon run where there was one person not skipping. Another one got really annoyed with that and left before even the 2nd conversation (with Kilran's glorious droid of manslaughter). The one who didn't skip then "disconnected", if that's what you wanna call Alt+F4 . So we had to replace 2 people in a Black Talon run, which mind you, is the very first FP new players can do, after 5 minutes, because 1 didn't skip.
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BobFredJohn
09.29.2014 , 03:13 AM | #4939
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkelefantos View Post
You say that. But there are enough people who disagree with you, who will rage in chat, (attempt to) vote kick etc. I was once in a Black Talon run where there was one person not skipping. Another one got really annoyed with that and left before even the 2nd conversation (with Kilran's glorious droid of manslaughter). The one who didn't skip then "disconnected", if that's what you wanna call Alt+F4 . So we had to replace 2 people in a Black Talon run, which mind you, is the very first FP new players can do, after 5 minutes, because 1 didn't skip.
People acting up (being pr*cks) on black talon/essles is probably the reason quite alot of people avoid fp's like the plague.
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I got a pop for kdy with my sent, the group was already in progress. I join and see a lvl 26 sent, lvl 50 shadow dps and lvl 49 slinger. They are all waiting at the lift, having cleared the room.

So we get to the second room (prisoner rescue) and I notice mr shadow is using force wave on cd (on a low lvl/new player this is an issue, on a lvl 50 this is ridiculous). I ask him to not do so, at which point I get a vote kick on me with the reason box left empty. It doesn't go through. The gunslinger sends me a whisper to warn me that anybody who questions this shadow is kicked (in fact the other sent was a replacement of a mando). So....we have a poorly played shadow who thinks himself above criticism and anyone who thinks different should be kicked...

The shadow causes a wipe in both rooms by force waving stuff off the edge and pulling the whole room. I pipe up the second time with "I though he would have learnt after the first wipe". The sent and slinger both throw a lol, the shadow throws another kick, it doesn't go through.

I have at this point noticed something wierd with the other 2. the gunslinger only uses sweeping gunfire and never enters cover, but fights from range and the sent doesn't know about introspection. As such I get to explaining it to them (it does come in handy). The slinger also tries to help explain out-of-combat heals. The shadow throws a kick on the sent, it doesn't go through. After a while of explaining the out-of-combat heals the shadow throws another kick on the sent, doesn't go through.

We complete the room in the end gunslinger still only using sweeping gunfire and the sent having learnt about heals.

The boss is the grenade 1, I state left first and the shadow pulls. Grenades get thrown and me and slinger move to console, do the business. The shadow and sent don't. This happens for the second round of grenades where the sent and shadow die, don't res and run back so its a wipe. I tell people that "if your new please speak up". The sent only now states they are new, at which point the shadow throws a vote kick on them, it doesn't go through. I ask what that was about and the slinger points out the first person who was kicked was kicked for being new...Im now starting to really dislike this shadow. I ask about the person I replaced, apparently it was a dps sage who was kicked for not healing during the elite defender fight in the first room. I point out my opinion on that, why kick a sage dps for not healing and don't kick the shadow dps for not tanking, its the same principle. I get a vote kick from the shadow for saying that but it doesn't go through.

We then get onto the topic of elitist pr*cks kicking new players as I am trying to convince the sent not all people are like this shadow and stating your new is better than keeping quiet. The shadow puts vote kick on me probably because I didn't make much effort to mince my words when expressing my opinion of people like him. It doesn't go through but I finally convince the sent that in future admit to being new and if anyone attempts to kick them for it they should put that person on ignore and move on. The slinger agrees with me .

We then explain the fight, the whole grenade thing and that adds are not just for 1 person (me). We pull again and now the sent is joining us on grenade machine. The shadow doesn't and dies on second round of grenades. For the first time he actually writes something: "you *********** dumb noobs I have carried your dumb asses through this and you can't even heal" (we are 2 sents and a slinger) "gl getting this done without me carrying your sorry *** you *********** noobs, l2p". He then dc's. The three of us finish the fight, take our rewards and I add the sent to friend.
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ChroniKill
09.29.2014 , 04:13 AM | #4940
Quote: Originally Posted by BobFredJohn View Post
snip.
I'd have vote kicked the shadow and reported him for harassment of the new players.