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Well although I don't agree with the naked outfits, Arcann isn't 'real' so I the term degrading is a bit strong. I admit to sticking Quinn with a bright orange/yellow dye though. That said I can't be bothered with how other players dress up.

Yeah but just because something isn't real, doesn't mean people don't care a lot about it. People LOVE their favorite characters - the fact that they aren't real, tangible people doesn't mean folks will stop caring about them or what happens to them.

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Yeah but just because something isn't real, doesn't mean people don't care a lot about it. People LOVE their favorite characters - the fact that they aren't real, tangible people doesn't mean folks will stop caring about them or what happens to them.

 

That's not what I meant. It galls me to see the slave girl outfits, or worse Theron in Mira's armor. :eek: However, I can't say 'no customization' so I don't see it. It's a game, I love the characters, I do, but to get that upset would be too much.

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You and me both. I concur.

 

Arcann is my favorite character and I respect him too much. I'd personally rather go without ANY customizations then rather see him degraded 24/7 on fleet. That's just me though.

 

100% this!! If any dev ever reads this: Please, please, please don't do that to him.

 

Arcann isn't 'real'.

 

What do you mean? It's like you're speaking a foreign language here, Jak ;)

 

Seriously though, the emotion that fans invest into their fandoms is real, even if the character they like is not. The time, effort and care some of us pour into our fan creations is real. Of course ridicule can't hurt a fictional character, but it can hurt those of us who care about him. I'm with Siita; I can take a joke about Arcann and even make ones myself, but seeing him mocked all the time would be too much for me. Enough to stop playing or least avoid public locations like the plague, dramatic as that may sound. I'm already a mostly solo player with little left to do in the game. I mostly log in to run around with my characters and enjoy the world. Introducing an element that would seriously impair my enjoyment of the environments would be a big deal for me.

 

If you're after more customization you should ask for the Arcann model you see at the start of
as Vaylin is walking towards the throne.

 

Hi Paul! Long time no see in here :) You mean the unscarred model? I wouldn't say no, but I don't particularly want it. The scars are part of who he is now (and also very attractive, imo) :p

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Hi Paul! Long time no see in here :) You mean the unscarred model? I wouldn't say no, but I don't particularly want it. The scars are part of who he is now (and also very attractive, imo) :p

 

It is like we are the same person, Witchglove LOL

I agree as well. The scars are part of him and should be part of any customization that is introduced, in my opinion. <3

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Hi Paul! Long time no see in here :) You mean the unscarred model? I wouldn't say no, but I don't particularly want it. The scars are part of who he is now (and also very attractive, imo) :p

 

Hello! :tran_cool:

 

Yeah the unscarred model we see very briefly. Maybe he just took a quick dip into the Mother Machine and got all fixed up! ;)

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I'd like to put him in something casual as well. I'd like to be able to head-canon that he's travelling around with my JK without wanting to be recognised all the time, so a very plain and unobtrusive robe or tunic would serve that purpose well. Possibly something with a large hood that could hide his scars (don't get me wrong; I want to see his face, but it would suit that head-canon purpose).

 

As for prettier and unique outfits, I'd like variations of his existing outfit. Something a bit more low-key, like what he wears as a child in the Sacrifice trailer. Personally, this is my hope: that they just make a few new models for him, using the same body and basic outfit, but with variations.

 

Have you all seen those sketches of his earliest designs? There are some interesting outfit ideas there (if a bit flamboyant for my taste).

https://imgur.com/a/sgMa1r9

https://imgur.com/trssTqn

 

I'd LOVE to see some customizations be added for Arcann that are based off of those original outfit ideas! Also, I agree with what Witchglove mentioned: It would be wonderful to have a more low-key, casual customization that still is uniquely Zakuulan, like something similar to what Thexan and Arcann used to wear growing up as per the cinematic. A few customizations that are more regal/formal like the early designs + more casual Zakuulan wear = perfection! <3

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Hello! :tran_cool:

 

Yeah the unscarred model we see very briefly. Maybe he just took a quick dip into the Mother Machine and got all fixed up! ;)

 

I do like how committed you are to finding a use for that machine! ;)

 

I don't think Arcann wants to get rid of the scars. I don't think the mask was ever really about hiding the scars from the world, but more about hiding himself/adopting a persona as this half-machine tyrant that made it possible to do all those things.

 

Still I think its way past time for a massive upgrade. Between Oggurobb, Tharan Cedrax, (if JC) Lokin, Elara, and Doc, (if JK) he should be able to get a perfect arm.

 

I was still thinking about this. Zakuul is supposed to be technically very advanced. Their whole society is founded upon advanced robotics. Project Exarch is all about turning people into near-invicible cyborgs. Shouldn't they have been able to make a perfect arm for Arcann? Something more sleek? Do we think that perhaps he wanted the arm to be intimidating and larger than strictly necessary? That would fit with what we know about the design of the mask from the official short story, "Brothers".

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His OG arm sure, he probably wanted something super-scary. But he lost that arm on his flagship, and then he was healed on Voss, his replacement isn't super-scary but seems to be just that a replacement, nothing custom about it.

 

I wonder if they kept the new hand plain black just to make it more visually salient (so that you can clearly see that he still does have a cybernetic replacement and that the whole arm wasn't magically restored on Voss or something).

 

I think he would prefer something pretty low-key or natural looking after Voss. It's part of what marks his change by humanising him more. In contrast, he gets way more cybered up if you kill Senya - which I think is really sad; that he gives up even more of his humanity/personhood at that point because the only thing left for him is vengeance.

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In contrast, he gets way more cybered up if you kill Senya - which I think is really sad; that he gives up even more of his humanity/personhood at that point because the only thing left for him is vengeance.

 

Never mention killing Senya. I admit, I like her slightly more than Arcann! (Don't hurt me) I do have toons (my Male Agent) who wouldn't have cried (too hard) if Arcann died, but would have gone full-on manic if Senya had. Not out of romantic love, but deep respect, compassion, and affection.

 

Honestly, (and I'm not saying that I'd do it on every toon) we should have had three options for dealing with Arcann Kill (for the bloodthirsty maniacs because they pay 15$ too) Redeem (because obviously that's the best) and Alliance Prison (because it is a just choice and perfectly valid especially for Non-Force-users)

 

In none of those options should Senya DIE!

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Ok Arcann-ites I bring this up because of a video I saw on YouTube...

 

Now for context I am not going into Chosen One vs Emperor's son. Honestly, I don't see the point. No fight is predictable there will always be an x factor. What does interest me is the theory that Arcann specializes in the 6th classical form of Lightsaber combat, Niman.

 

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Form_VI

 

Truth be told, I don't see it. Now don't get me wrong, I am not poo-pooing our boy's Force Abilities. Game mechanics aside, he's easily up there with Dooku and Windu. But Niman is also called The Diplomat's Form does this sound like our Warrior? Me? I say not.

 

Do I think he knows Niman? Yep (whatever it's called on Zakuul). Do I think he'd specialize in it? Again, does The Diplomat's Form sound like our boy?

 

So which form or forms do I think the Dark/Light Prince specializes in? Well, our boy likes overwhelming offence and heavy power attacks with acrobatics if things get dicey. Plus he's good with blaster deflection. I believe Arcann hybridizes forms 4, 5, and 2. Otherwise known as... Ataru, Shien/Djem-So, and Makashi.

 

Ataru is also known as The Aggression Form... Ding, ding, ding, winner, winner, chicken dinner!

 

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Form_IV

 

Arcann is an aggressive fighter, so is Satele and Senya, so this isn't shade. We know he loves his acrobatics when he's on the backfoot and he's rarely ever conservative in his attacks.

 

Now Shien/Djem-So, aka... The Perseverance Form ... Again fitting isn't it. Shien is the variant used against droids and blasters. Djem-So, is for pure Lightsaber duels primarily. Now again, this is a highly power based form that requires epic physical strength and relying on domination and destruction of your foe. Sound Familiar? Ironically, Anakin was said to be the greatest Djem-So master ever. (I'll give it to him)

 

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Form_V

 

I think the best example that Arcann likes Djem-So is when he literally rams his saber into PC's gut. There is no earthly reason why he'd put that much physical thrust into it if he hadn't been using power attacks the entire time.

 

Finally, Makashi aka...The Contention Form... See the pattern here...

 

This is the ultimate lightsaber vs. lightsaber form one-on-one.

 

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Form_II

 

Arcann's blade-work is pretty good. You see this when he duels Vaylin. Also, I'm betting during his training he and Thexan had to go down to the Old World and beat up some Heralds of Zildrog, as teens before galivanting to the outworlds.

 

So that's my assessment of our Prince. What do you think?

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So if we could dress Arcann in any outfit what would you put him in?

I quite like Arcann's armour, however, it bothers me that I can't put a cold weather outfit on him if I go to Hoth or Ilum. I'd also like to fit him with some armour that has a cloak (but no "up" hood); there are so few outfits like this in the game. The best one (imo) is only available on a returned Guss Tuno & is called Trickster's Shirt. I use that on my Smuggler (seen in the picture) since it's bound but I'd really like to use it on a force user.

(yep my swtor gaming madness extends to having cold weather outfits, summer outfits, fancy outfits, work outfits, PvP outfits for all my characters and/or their companions. I pisses me off that they changed companions to be un-customisable until after you complete the story or chapter you first meet them AND they join you on a mission. IIRC this was done to fix one bug :mad: - videos ruined).

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I quite like Arcann's armour, however, it bothers me that I can't put a cold weather outfit on him if I go to Hoth or Ilum. I'd also like to fit him with some armour that has a cloak (but no "up" hood); there are so few outfits like this in the game. The best one (imo) is only available on a returned Guss Tuno & is called Trickster's Shirt. I use that on my Smuggler (seen in the picture) since it's bound but I'd really like to use it on a force user.

(yep my swtor gaming madness extends to having cold weather outfits, summer outfits, fancy outfits, work outfits, PvP outfits for all my characters and/or their companions. I pisses me off that they changed companions to be un-customisable until after you complete the story or chapter you first meet them AND they join you on a mission. IIRC this was done to fix one bug :mad: - videos ruined).

 

I have Hoth and Illum outfits too.

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Ok Arcann-ites I bring this up because of a video I saw on YouTube...

 

Now for context I am not going into Chosen One vs Emperor's son. Honestly, I don't see the point. No fight is predictable there will always be an x factor. What does interest me is the theory that Arcann specializes in the 6th classical form of Lightsaber combat, Niman.

 

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Form_VI

 

Truth be told, I don't see it. Now don't get me wrong, I am not poo-pooing our boy's Force Abilities. Game mechanics aside, he's easily up there with Dooku and Windu. But Niman is also called The Diplomat's Form does this sound like our Warrior? Me? I say not.

 

Do I think he knows Niman? Yep (whatever it's called on Zakuul). Do I think he'd specialize in it? Again, does The Diplomat's Form sound like our boy?

 

So which form or forms do I think the Dark/Light Prince specializes in? Well, our boy likes overwhelming offence and heavy power attacks with acrobatics if things get dicey. Plus he's good with blaster deflection. I believe Arcann hybridizes forms 4, 5, and 2. Otherwise known as... Ataru, Shien/Djem-So, and Makashi.

 

Ataru is also known as The Aggression Form... Ding, ding, ding, winner, winner, chicken dinner!

 

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Form_IV

 

Arcann is an aggressive fighter, so is Satele and Senya, so this isn't shade. We know he loves his acrobatics when he's on the backfoot and he's rarely ever conservative in his attacks.

 

Now Shien/Djem-So, aka... The Perseverance Form ... Again fitting isn't it. Shien is the variant used against droids and blasters. Djem-So, is for pure Lightsaber duels primarily. Now again, this is a highly power based form that requires epic physical strength and relying on domination and destruction of your foe. Sound Familiar? Ironically, Anakin was said to be the greatest Djem-So master ever. (I'll give it to him)

 

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Form_V

 

I think the best example that Arcann likes Djem-So is when he literally rams his saber into PC's gut. There is no earthly reason why he'd put that much physical thrust into it if he hadn't been using power attacks the entire time.

 

Finally, Makashi aka...The Contention Form... See the pattern here...

 

This is the ultimate lightsaber vs. lightsaber form one-on-one.

 

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Form_II

 

Arcann's blade-work is pretty good. You see this when he duels Vaylin. Also, I'm betting during his training he and Thexan had to go down to the Old World and beat up some Heralds of Zildrog, as teens before galivanting to the outworlds.

 

So that's my assessment of our Prince. What do you think?

 

Oh wow, what an assessment. I wouldn't know the first thing about lightsaber forms, but the amount of research you've done is impressive!

 

Would Arcann have even been exposed to some of these principles or even forms being that Zakuul was so removed from the Core Worlds and their culture(s)/traditions?

 

Very interesting topic. I'd love to see what someone with more knowledge of these concepts could contribute!

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Well, I love lightsabers, I am that kinda girl. I mean, sabers are part of what makes special. On dps spec Arcann seems to run Rage Juggernaut. Which also kind of makes Niman unlikely.

 

Now my JC is a Niman specialist. Instead, of focusing on power strikes and domination, she's a speed specialist. The inherent advantage in Niman is versatility and unpredictability JC's fighting philosophy is "Stop the fight as quickly as possible with as little carnage as possible."

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Just a quick reminder that we do have an active "Eternal Throne" themed discord server (Arcann-centric) in case anyone would like an invitation. We've been having a blast over there and have recently been discussing some "unreleased" audio files we found in the game assets among other Arcann-themed projects, media, and art.

 

Let me know if you'd like to join!

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Can we talk about Arcann's codex entry?

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/909471586023796826/915991683701805106/unknown.png

 

What is up with it?

 

"Eventually defeated by the Outlander and stripped of his throne, Arcann initially sought revenge... but the mercy shown to him and his mother by his hated enemy profoundly changed him."

 

Where/when did this "revenge" apparently take place? I'm super confused.

 

Also, my character killed Valkorion, not Arcann. Hmm...

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I'm not a Discord person. I prefer this for my Arcann fix. To answer your question earlier about whether Arcann would use the fighting styles of the Jedi/Sith because of Zakuul's isolation. My answer is simply this... Tenebre/Vitiate/Valkorian would have imported the techniques from the common orders into his new empire re-packaging and re-branding these forms with Zakkulan cultural norms.

 

For example (and I am making this up)... what the Jedi and Sith call Ataru might be called "Tyth's Storm." So, it's entirely possible for Arcann to know the seven forms but have different names for them.

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To answer your question earlier about whether Arcann would use the fighting styles of the Jedi/Sith because of Zakuul's isolation. My answer is simply this... Tenebre/Vitiate/Valkorian would have imported the techniques from the common orders into his new empire re-packaging and re-branding these forms with Zakkulan cultural norms.

 

For example (and I am making this up)... what the Jedi and Sith call Ataru might be called "Tyth's Storm." So, it's entirely possible for Arcann to know the seven forms but have different names for them.

 

Yeah that makes sense to me. I can accept that!

 

It would be so neat to get more details on Zakuulan culture. I'd also LOVE to know if the Zakuulan text onArcann and Thexan's robes were ever meant to say anything meaningful or profound!

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I wonder if the devs have any plans to move Arcann's customizations from the DvL vendors to something more accessible.

 

As it stands now, since existing toons won't have the option to choose two combat styles in 7.0 like new toons will be able to, we'd have to reroll characters in order to do the Jedi Consular story while using combat stances of a sith assassin + jedi guardian, for example.

 

Since DvL tokens are not going to be readily available in 7.0 until later on (and even then they are likely only going to drop from the DvL world bosses), if we wanted to reroll toons in 7.0 to take advantage of the two combat styles, we have no simple way to get Arcann customizations in 7.0, unlike in previous expansions.

 

Kinda stinks. Seems like an issue only Arcann fans will encounter and it isn't a fun choice to make...

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Can we talk about the LotS credits from the PTS? Assuming that nothing has changed and that what it showed is accurate,

 

Vitiate, Tenebrae, and Valkorion's VA's are credited with their respective roles, whereas Dellums is credited under "Additional Voices" :(

 

Kinda a big oof for those of us wanting more Arcann story. If Arcann is in 7.0, why wouldn't they outright state Arcann = Dellums in the credits? Vitiate, Valkorion, and Tenebrae are dead and gone yet they are actually listed in the credits with their VAs.

 

I suppose it could still mean that there's something on the way, but I was really hoping for something to come from us sending Arcann to Elom.

 

 

Here's to hoping that Arcann is in 7.0. Pleaaaase!

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Can we talk about the LotS credits from the PTS? Assuming that nothing has changed and that what it showed is accurate,

 

Vitiate, Tenebrae, and Valkorion's VA's are credited with their respective roles, whereas Dellums is credited under "Additional Voices" :(

 

Kinda a big oof for those of us wanting more Arcann story. If Arcann is in 7.0, why wouldn't they outright state Arcann = Dellums in the credits? Vitiate, Valkorion, and Tenebrae are dead and gone yet they are actually listed in the credits with their VAs.

 

I suppose it could still mean that there's something on the way, but I was really hoping for something to come from us sending Arcann to Elom.

 

 

Here's to hoping that Arcann is in 7.0. Pleaaaase!

 

Okay before panicking consider this... VA's aren't exclusive to certain characters. Darran DuPaul voices Valkorian, General Derun, Junker Jott, etc. Lana's VA does dozens of minor NPC's. Elara's VA does Arryn Lanier and minor NPC's and I think Saavik. So, don't assume Arcann isn't there. Even if he's not in the first update he'll be comming. Patience.

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Can we talk about the LotS credits from the PTS? Assuming that nothing has changed and that what it showed is accurate,

 

Vitiate, Tenebrae, and Valkorion's VA's are credited with their respective roles, whereas Dellums is credited under "Additional Voices" :(

 

Kinda a big oof for those of us wanting more Arcann story. If Arcann is in 7.0, why wouldn't they outright state Arcann = Dellums in the credits? Vitiate, Valkorion, and Tenebrae are dead and gone yet they are actually listed in the credits with their VAs.

 

I suppose it could still mean that there's something on the way, but I was really hoping for something to come from us sending Arcann to Elom.

 

 

Here's to hoping that Arcann is in 7.0. Pleaaaase!

 

The fear is definitely leading me to the Dark Side now... :i_mad: But Dellums said there was more Arcann content coming, so it must come at some point. I am pretty concerned now that it won't be the next release, though. And considering it was just pushed two months... :(

 

 

What does surprise me about the credits for 7.0 is that Valkorion is in there. I thought we were done with him?

 

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