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Tachenko_Yuri
10.22.2014 , 10:18 AM | #5191
So uhm.. Had a KDY with all those X12 Xps abominations running loose around the game... Here goes.

Layout if of dps x3 and guardian tank x1, me being a guardian dps.

Blah blah convo.

Armory scenario: sort out the first batch of things to blow up. Getting to the corridor and load lifter is there, we proceed to engage.

One of the DPS: " what are you doing ? " >---> Quits.

Being highest level, pull out my kira till replacements came around, which came, as a dps shadow.

Sorted out the armory scenario >--> Prison scenario

1st cell gets sorted, Tank " Can you pull out doc? "

me: " Can't, we're a full house "

Tank: " Can i pull out doc? "

me: " Can't, we're a full house "

Tank: " Take out your kira, this isn't a poker game you know " ... I'll let you folks decrypt that one

Tank again: " oh, didn't realize the shadow was an actual person " , apologized, but still facepalm for me.

That is all


Edit: oh, and a TFB 16-m hosted by a shadow which didn't have a stance on for the whole OP.
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BigBreakfast
10.22.2014 , 10:34 AM | #5192
The silent ones baffle me the most.

Got a KDY as well: cannon emplacement scenario.
Once you take down the shield, you can choose to go left or right. 99% of the groups I've been in go right. But this one time, a dps was adamant about going left.
DPS: "left. LEFT".
Me: "why left?"
DPS: "because the elite spawns on the left side 95% of the time, no point in going right."
Me: "Uh, i'm pretty sure it has an equal chance of spawning everywhere. Also it spawns in the middle."

Turns out it spawned on the right
DPS: "oh look at that, I was wrong"

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ElGordo
10.22.2014 , 11:28 AM | #5193
Just did Foundry SM, on my Jugg/dps, we had a tank that ran ahead of us passing mobs, whether he/she realized that the healer(sorc) and I could not stealth through the mobs was very amusing. The other dps was a stealther which made it easy with organic npc's but when we got to the parts with all droid mobs he still ran off way ahead of us. The healer reminded the tank that we were not able to stealth through certain areas but tank still ran off would come back and attack, since we were not following him/her. The healer/sorc decided to quit group after the tank would not listen. Tank finally dropped off because I guess he/she was tired of us not being stealth. Tank did not give a reason for leaving group. We got another tank and got through the instance just fine.
Also, why do Sin tanks/dps feel the need to do Overload to start a fight? All it does is kick all enemy NPC out of any AOE that is being used.

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BobFredJohn
10.22.2014 , 12:00 PM | #5194
Quote: Originally Posted by ElGordo View Post
Also, why do Sin tanks/dps feel the need to do Overload to start a fight? All it does is kick all enemy NPC out of any AOE that is being used.
Its a well known fact that overload/force wave obliterates everything in the pull instantly. The fact that the enemies are still alive when sin/shadows do it is a rare glitch. Just wait till ops then you will see. NiM runs are a piece of cake with 1 or 2 sins in your group. They just overload and the fight is finished
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Tanking SM mando on my shadow. Theres sage heals, sage dps and slinger. All three are in the same guild.

3 enemies at elevator at beginning go fine. Second pull is ok-ish, but I don't get any heals

Third pull I don't get heals and die.

pull just before first boss I don't get heals and die.

While tanking first boss I don't get heals and end the fight dead, along with 1 of the dps and the remaining 2 nearly dead. I decide to speak up and ask the healer if they are ok, any lag issues etc.
healer: "oh, im a dps, you don't need heals with 3 dps as we can down stuff so quick" (Im new to shadow tanking but from what I can see my defensiveness comes with procs high up my tree, my survivability at lvl 29 is reliant on heals)
me: "well not quick enough, im building quite a repair bill here"
slinger: "well your an aweful tank, your supposed to be invincible"
me: "I am invincible with a healer beside me"
healer: "your a tank, you don't need heals your supposed to soak up damage"
me: "I am soaking it up, you lot are not getting hit while I am alive"
slinger: "yeah your aggro control is good, but you really need to work on your survivability"
me: "or we could try this fp with all 3 roles, you know tank, dps and HEALER"
healer: "look we will speed up our dps so you wont need to survive as long"
me: "you going to throw off-heals too?"
The sage dps finally speaks up: "lol noob L2Tank, if your dieing, your not tanking properly"

I drop the group, fair enough (not really) the healer is dps and all three of them thinks a decent tank can survive boss fights without heals. Tbh if I was on my jugg I may have made an effort to complete it, but a low lvl shadow? Im not even going to bother trying.
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Kingsbount
10.23.2014 , 05:23 AM | #5195
Quote: Originally Posted by BobFredJohn View Post

While tanking first boss I don't get heals and end the fight dead, along with 1 of the dps and the remaining 2 nearly dead. I decide to speak up and ask the healer if they are ok, any lag issues etc.
healer: "oh, im a dps, you don't need heals with 3 dps as we can down stuff so quick" (Im new to shadow tanking but from what I can see my defensiveness comes with procs high up my tree, my survivability at lvl 29 is reliant on heals)
me: "well not quick enough, im building quite a repair bill here"
slinger: "well your an aweful tank, your supposed to be invincible"
me: "I am invincible with a healer beside me"
healer: "your a tank, you don't need heals your supposed to soak up damage"
me: "I am soaking it up, you lot are not getting hit while I am alive"
slinger: "yeah your aggro control is good, but you really need to work on your survivability"
me: "or we could try this fp with all 3 roles, you know tank, dps and HEALER"
healer: "look we will speed up our dps so you wont need to survive as long"
me: "you going to throw off-heals too?"
The sage dps finally speaks up: "lol noob L2Tank, if your dieing, your not tanking properly"

I drop the group, fair enough (not really) the healer is dps and all three of them thinks a decent tank can survive boss fights without heals. Tbh if I was on my jugg I may have made an effort to complete it, but a low lvl shadow? Im not even going to bother trying.
You should tell them something like this:
"Well, if i don't need heals - you don't need tank, right? I mean if we will burn things fast... "
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Halinalle
10.23.2014 , 05:37 AM | #5196
Quote: Originally Posted by Kingsbount View Post
You should tell them something like this:
"Well, if i don't need heals - you don't need tank, right? I mean if we will burn things fast... "
With that logic. Yeah, it should be possible. 4 dps kills faster than 3 dps and tank, right?

Just shows how much some of them know about low level tanking. Especially Shadows need heals at low levels.

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rawtravel
10.23.2014 , 02:50 PM | #5197
Had an interesting run on Mando Raiders HM 55 the other night. I am tanking on my very over-geared Juggernaut (nearly all 180's), and had a good group. Everyone was well geared and seemed to know the fights. Cool! Speed run....I'll be done in 20 min!

We are blasting through everything easily. They always let me jump in and I easily keep aggro on everything. Doubt healz is even taking any damage! Smooth as silk.....right up until the first boss, with the two dogs. I have learned over time that even with the best group, it's best to explain this fight as some folks don't know to keep dogs away from boss, dogs have random aggro, kill dogs first, etc.

Well, I start to explain in chat and BAM, the previously very well-behaved Marauder jumps in on the boss! What the....?! I'm so stunned that I just watch. I keep watching while Mara's HP melts away, the dogs are attacking other DPS and healz, everyone is running around crazy. It's chaos, and I am just standing there....watching.....doing nothing.

Finally, marauder dies.....so I jump in. AOE taunt, to get dogs and boss off the non-dead dps and healz. Walk boss back to platform, taunting after each freeze, and in just about one minute the fight was under control. Marauder runs back and rejoins the fight. Healz gets everyone back up quickly, boss never leaves my side and the group systematically downs the dogs and then we all gank the boss. Just like it's supposed to go down.

Okay, TBH it was kinda funny (for me and maybe the others who did not die), that the Marauder's punishment for jumping in before me was death and having to run all the way back (not that far at this point). Actually, it only occurred to me to let him die while it was happening. I'm usually not "that" kind of tank...."Follow my rules or die then I rage quite while spewing obscenities" Those guys drive me crazy! I'm usually very mellow and I hate it when people die on my watch. But this was somehow different. Anyway, I figure Mara has learned the lesson, right? Wrong! During the next few pulls the Marauder would jump in first! So, I just watch again.....doing nothing. Just trash, so no one dies or anything, but Marauder's HP melts fast, before I jump in and take over the fight.

The really weird part is that by the time we got to the boarding party everything was back to normal. They let me explain the fight, mark targets, and jump in first. Kept aggro on everything and the flight went smoothly. Just like this for the rest of the run. Perfect. Mr. Mara never jumped in before me.

No one said anything in chat ever. I figure healz was hip to what I was doing, because he didn't really heal Mr. Mara when he jumped in before me, but amazing healz the rest of the time. Other DPS never reacted in any way, even though he took a bunch of damage whenever Mara was "tanking", but almost none while I was tanking.

It's almost like the Mara got up from his computer for 10 minutes and let his kid brother, or his chihuahua play or something. Maybe he had a mini stroke? Perhaps he was testing the Rules for Marauders 101? I mean he did have TWO lightsabers, after all.......

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Halinalle
10.23.2014 , 11:44 PM | #5198
Quote: Originally Posted by rawtravel View Post
I'm usually not "that" kind of tank...."Follow my rules or die then I rage quite while spewing obscenities" Those guys drive me crazy!
Except that those tanks are in minority. Most of tanks you try to refer to are exactly like you.

- Mara jumps in.
- Tank watches and tries to keep aggro away from those that follow the unwritten rules.
- Mara dies (usually because healer doesn't heal).
- Tank continues like it never happened and hoping that Mara learned a valuable lesson.
- No rage involved.
- If it happens again just repeat (note: still no rage).

It's of course group's decision if they want that tank gone. I'm fine with that.

...
I decided to continue leveling my scoundrel a few days ago and this happened also a few days ago.

KDY
Group is good enough, not one of those awesome groups though until one has to leave (irl stuff I suppose). We get sentinel as replacement and continue. Sentinel tries to tank one of the elites on command platform and dies. Complains about not getting heals from healer (no one was tagged as heals though). We explain that there's no need for heals. I guess Sentinel got it wrong way and started his "we'll see about that" mission.

Next scenario is prison scenario. Rest of the group is way behind and sentinel decided to force camo and runs through the group of enemies. I thought he wanted to attack from other side but no he continued. I, of course, was already out of stealth at this point and getting killed by 2 strongs and 4 standards + Sneak was on cooldown. Sentinel says "are you sure we don't need healer". This continues but we get it done eventually.

I still don't know where he saw a healer. We originally had one tagged as heals but we were all tagged as dps after role check when requeued.

Unless he thought I was a healer (highest level, heal capable AC). I don't know about scoundrel healing rotation but I'm pretty sure Sucker Punch isn't part of it.

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Teridax
10.24.2014 , 12:42 AM | #5199
Quote: Originally Posted by Halinalle View Post

I still don't know where he saw a healer. We originally had one tagged as heals but we were all tagged as dps after role check when requeued.

Unless he thought I was a healer (highest level, heal capable AC). I don't know about scoundrel healing rotation but I'm pretty sure Sucker Punch isn't part of it.
There's a thing with the UI that sometimes puts people in your group as healers (green triangle symbol) if you have it set to "Set Ops Frames As Group Frames" and they're not in the same zone as you/too far away. I've never seen it happen on Group Frames. It's possible that might have happened, though I'm not quite sure that a DPS would have GF frames set to OPS frames. If it wasn't that, then well, that's awkward.
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BobFredJohn
10.25.2014 , 02:20 AM | #5200
Mando raiders SM, im shadow tanking, theres a scoundrel healer, sage dps and guardian dps.

At the start, I see that the guardian is in soresu form....I think its pretty obvious where my guard is going. I guard him and set off, however my loading in took a while so the group have already taken out the 3 elevator enemies. The second pull I get ready, stealth, kinetic ward etc. However while i'm popping kinetic ward the sage pulls. I run in and try to grab some aggro as the rather under geared sage's hp is plummeting and soon the healer is going to have to panic heal, causing him to take a lot of aggro if I don't sort it out quick. Luckily it was a 1 off, the sage doesn't pull any more.

Carry on pretty much ok, but when we get to the corridor with the 3 rooms off the side and patrolling elite the dps guardian in soresu form tells me to take guard off him and put it on healer. I am busy tanking the fight so stay quiet a sec, once its over I take a nice quote from somebody (forgot who) on this thread:
"either you can trust I know how to tank or I can waste our time explaining healer aggro to you"
I get no reply so I carry on.

Get to first boss with the dogs, I pick up the boss and take him over to a corner, I manage to pick up 1 of the dogs too. I hold aggro on the bloke throughout and I have 1 of the dogs for a fair old portion of the fight which is lucky. However afterwards the sage isn't happy.
sage: "do you know how to tank"
me: "have there been any aggro problems so far"
healer: "well I have never been hit and I have never had to heal the sage" (i think hes not counting the pull where the sage pulled before me) "although I have noticed you kinetic ward running out"
I agree to that, my dcd management with my shadow is rather underpar, I apologise but the healer says its ok.
sage: "but those animals on that fight were everywhere, he cant hold aggro at all"
me: "please learn the fights and play as a tank before telling me how to do it"
healer: "I second that"

We carry on all good, there's an issue at 1 point at the fight just after the speedy cart thing, its a droid with a knockback and 3 enemies that come out a lift. I stand by the lift and project the droid, start a tkt channel, then force breach the 3 coming out the elevator. I now have a decent enough aggro cushion for now. However I am still stood in front of the lift door, which is now open and the large droid does his knockback, throwing me into the lift and losing the healer. Afterwards I apologise for losing him but he doesn't mind as it was only for a second while I force sped out of there and moved to a more sensible tanking spot.

We get to the boarding party boss and I call out an order, that being warrior, inquisitor, then burn the others the same. The dps guardian now pipes up saying he is actually tank spec and can hold aggro on a couple of the enemies for me if I take guard off him and stick it on healer. The healer answers for me:
healer: "he can hold aggro perfectly fine, you just dps, get out of soresu."
healer: "and btw, guard should be on dps"

After the healers little lecture to the guardian I pull and we get going. I taunt the warrior on cd, while holding aggro on the other 3, until the warrior is dead then I keep aggro throughout the burn of the inquisitor, BH then agent (seems my instructions of burn the last 2 at the same time were ignored). The sage speaks up again:
sage: "hes a rubbish tank, that first enemy was attacking everyone"
me (to healer): "you want to take this or shall I?"
healer: "feel free"
me: "go and learn the fights then play as a tank before telling me how its done"
healer: "that should do it"

We complete the mission with no more complaints about my tanking, though I do get annoyed at the sage who ignore mine and the healers instructions to kill the turrets first on the final boss. We end up with 4 turrets up at the same time, in 3 different corners of the room. Now I can tell you thats a pain in the *** to tank.
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