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Valkorion: Host for centuries... somehow.


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This is something I've been thinking about. There are a few things I don't really understand about Valkorion.

 

Basically, Vitiate grows bored of the Sith at some point in time (We don't know exactly when, but he started body-hopping after his fight with Revan so he used Valkorion as his host for at most 3 centuries.)

 

What makes this very strange is the fact it's been established that Vitiate has to keep changing bodies because his powers kill his hosts if he stay inside them for too long. How did he hold on to Valkorion for centuries?

 

Another question: Other than the fact BioWare probably didn't want to spoil Valkorion being Vitiate by having Doug Bradley voice him in the trailer... why does Valkorion not sound like Vitiate when his spirit is directly possessing someone? (As in when his spirit is planted inside someone, instead of him commanding other people like he did on Ziost.)

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It's not specifically stated what he did, but it's claimed that The Emperor did something to the Valkorian body to protect it from the ravages of the Dark Side that had consumed other Voices.

 

 

Honestly, because of the outcry against the Eternal Throne arc and the resulting rush to finish it and get back to the "Pub verses Imp" that was being demanded, we ended up with a lot of plotholes relating to Valkorian, Zakuul, Iokath, the Zodiac Droids (GEMINI, ARIES, SCORPIO and apparently nine more we never saw), the 'Old Gods' and Gravestone...

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why does Valkorion not sound like Vitiate when his spirit is directly possessing someone? (As in when his spirit is planted inside someone, instead of him commanding other people like he did on Ziost.)

Perhaps he can has some control over which voice he uses, and picks and chooses to suit his vanity? You mentioned Ziost, where some of his pawns do speak in Vitiate's voice, after all. And clearly, the point mostly is that he doesn't want to sound like "Tenebrae" (Granted, who would? It's hard enough to take him seriously, moreso when he sounds like the dog from the Jetsons).

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It's not specifically stated what he did, but it's claimed that The Emperor did something to the Valkorian body to protect it from the ravages of the Dark Side that had consumed other Voices.

 

This, but it also appears that Vitiate was not always in control of Valkorion, which may have been a factor.

 

We do know from lore that Vitiate took a little time to fully integrate with a new Voice, so there had to be some process of integration and / or hollowing out of the host, but I suspect the process of integrating with a new Voice was similar to that of possessing Master Surro on Ziost, and since it was more of a forceful possession that burned out the host. That appears to be different from what Vitiate says they did with Valkorion, and, it would seem, what Vitiate planned to do to the Outlander. Vitiate says that they found Valkorion on Zakuul and hollowed them out to make them a host.

 

I would say the difference is that Vitiate took the time to prepare Valkorion as a permanent (or semi-permanent) host and intended to do that again, but the Voices were not afforded as much attention. The possession was more forceful and they were always intended to be temporary.

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The Voices of Vitiate were more of a temporary usage where he could call on them at will but not fully ever use them as his powers were far to great for them to house his full power. Kinda partially why on Voss he was weakened the vessel of the Voice was not accustomed to the amount of power that he could hold so he was weakened with some of them. In a manner of speaking he was not back to full power til Ziost or while he was focused using Valkorian as the main vessel. Ziost his powers were divided up amongst numerous vessels so he could have his power somewhat in a given area just dispersed among several unwilling vessels. Valkorian was more of a permanent vessel than the voices though even that vessel was not able to house him for very long so at times he would be distant because he had to actually use the Voices so he would not burn out Valkorian as fast. The Outlander/Commander was suppose to be the actual next permanent vessel if as a knight it has housed his power for a brief time before and resisted his powers. Vaylin was going to be his vessel at one point but her power was unstable and her as individual could not control her own power which meant that when her father took her over it would become so unstable that it would be probably have been equal to a million nukes. The fall back plan because the body of Valkorian was actually dying in some stories was actually going to be malgus as supposedly the plan was he was in carbonite from False Emperor flashpoint and kept in the same facility you were in but was rescued by acina/vowrawn. Or that was the plan at one point with bioware that Malgus with his sheer rage and power boosts he gets from the rage was going to be the fallback plan which given the way malgus's power is at this point I think we could safely assume that it would have been game over if Tenebrae took malgus as vessel.
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Perhaps he can has some control over which voice he uses, and picks and chooses to suit his vanity? You mentioned Ziost, where some of his pawns do speak in Vitiate's voice, after all. And clearly, the point mostly is that he doesn't want to sound like "Tenebrae" (Granted, who would? It's hard enough to take him seriously, moreso when he sounds like the dog from the Jetsons).

Only one of them, Master Surro, has his voice: Implying that Vitiate planted his spirit inside her at a later point in the story. Everyone else was remotely controlled.

 

This, but it also appears that Vitiate was not always in control of Valkorion, which may have been a factor.

 

We do know from lore that Vitiate took a little time to fully integrate with a new Voice, so there had to be some process of integration and / or hollowing out of the host, but I suspect the process of integrating with a new Voice was similar to that of possessing Master Surro on Ziost, and since it was more of a forceful possession that burned out the host. That appears to be different from what Vitiate says they did with Valkorion, and, it would seem, what Vitiate planned to do to the Outlander. Vitiate says that they found Valkorion on Zakuul and hollowed them out to make them a host.

 

I would say the difference is that Vitiate took the time to prepare Valkorion as a permanent (or semi-permanent) host and intended to do that again, but the Voices were not afforded as much attention. The possession was more forceful and they were always intended to be temporary.

 

Honestly, the idea of a Vitiate/Valkorion partnership that went on for centuries up until KOTFE Chapter 1 would have been pretty cool in my opinion.

 

Either that or Tenebrae chained Valkorion to his own spirit, in which case Valkorion was attuned to the light side, so by the time Tenebrae fights you in KOTET Chapter 9, he's channeling Valkorion's powers. Something like that would have been cool.

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The fall back plan because the body of Valkorian was actually dying in some stories was actually going to be malgus as supposedly the plan was he was in carbonite from False Emperor flashpoint and kept in the same facility you were in but was rescued by acina/vowrawn. Or that was the plan at one point with bioware that Malgus with his sheer rage and power boosts he gets from the rage was going to be the fallback plan which given the way malgus's power is at this point I think we could safely assume that it would have been game over if Tenebrae took malgus as vessel.

Malgus in KOTFE was scrapped: Him being presented to Valkorion is non-canon.

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Isnt it likely that the vakorion character went through the same process as the outlander in order to strengthen his body to become a stronger host for tenebrae?

Same story as outlander but tenebrae wins at the end and takes over the body completely and permanently

 

Wasn't there as story out there that Valkorian actually went to Vitiate to ask for power and for longer life and that Vitiate saw that as a opening and did a different ritual that would give him a longer vessel that would still burn out but it was a lot slower of degrading process on Valk's body. Vitiate in Valk's body was at the end of what that body could handle so that's when he started looking for another vessel 1 that resisted his powers for so long which is why by most accounts the JK is actually the cannon story of Kotfe/Kotet. The fact that the body had and soul had the power withstand his control is why he set into motion manipulating the Outlander/Commander was because the body was stronger and had access to a lot more power of itself than most of the vessels he had possessed in the past. Dont forget we actually see another voice vessel in the sith warrior storyline that was a voss it was much more a temp host and kira as well the other children were also vessels of him as him as well.

 

Valkorian before Vitiate if i am not mistaken was technically a nobody that seeked power and Vitiate tricked him like he does with everybody he comes across.

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Wasn't there as story out there that Valkorian actually went to Vitiate to ask for power and for longer life and that Vitiate saw that as a opening and did a different ritual that would give him a longer vessel that would still burn out but it was a lot slower of degrading process on Valk's body.

Was there?

Only thing I remember from the ingame story was the fact that Valkorian said that the real "Valkorion" was a great warrior of Zakuul and it was only right for him to hollow him out to take his body, assuming that being near the start of Zakuul becoming an empire.

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