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Do not roll "Need" for companion gear.

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Do not roll "Need" for companion gear.
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MalignX
02.15.2012 , 08:46 PM | #801
They shouldn't have made Companions gear dependent. And really, outside of the original storyline where you get them, they don't add much to the storyline, so they just become extensions of your character.
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

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MorgonKara
02.15.2012 , 11:05 PM | #802
Quote: Originally Posted by DamionSchubert View Post
Need vs. greed isn't as simple in our game because of companions, as well as Orange Gear and mod extraction.

We will probably limit the 'need' button to only people who match the primary class the gear is meant for, and add a new button in between need and greed for players to choose if they intend the gear for these purposes - this will allow CC users to roll against each other without competing with the guy who wants to sell the gear for credits.

I don't have a timeline on this for you guys right now, though - certainly not in the next major patch. In the meantime, I strongly recommend that players who care clearly decide the expected need/greed role behaviors ('no companion need rolling or you're out!') when a group is initially formed. In the meantime, I'll work on getting this feature in the works.
That would be an improvement for sure. If it's an upgrade for your main then you roll Need, if you just want it for a companion then you roll Greed, that's how it should be.
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Ainianu
02.15.2012 , 11:17 PM | #803
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
If you EVER roll Need on gear for your comp when someone of that class is in your group, you are a greedy, selfish person who is ruining someone else's experience.
Whilst i have never actually rolled 'NEED' for a companion, a friend of mine has put forth a good argument for a case for such rolling...

Leveling from 1-50 (and indeed even doing dailies) requires you to use a companion to play effectively often needing a specific companion that best compliments your playstyle. (Yes it is possible to play without a companion but it is also possible to play with your character naked too...)

For example a DPS or Tank companion for a healer player is pretty vital for YOUR leveling.

When leveling my Sage i was gearing my tank companion (and later Nadia) as best i could, even if it meant neglecting my Sage from time to time because it meant leveling a lot easier, even able to solo Heroic 2+/4 often.

Essentially, your companion is a part of your character and in the 1-49 game your still very reliant on that companion so why should you pass on items that are still going to improve you (via your companion tanking better so you can solo better) for random strangers?

My argument AGAINST that standpoint was that at level 50 you no longer need to level and thus should not be rolling NEED for companions in the top level flashpoints, but i would honestly forgive anyone for rolling need for companion on content prior to that. (personally i still would not myself)

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grueber
02.15.2012 , 11:24 PM | #804
Rolling need for a companion is like rolling need for a twink. It's not something I would do. It's wrong in my book.

If you want to set the ground rules for loot as FFA then go ahead. Just be upfront with the rest of the group.

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dprijadi
02.15.2012 , 11:29 PM | #805
my opinion on this :

- Some Class need gears for their companion that wear different kind of gear than your toon. smuggler n sage got starting companion that uses heavy armor. Trooper is exception as all companion wears heavy except droids.

- currently the most "acceptable" way to roll for companion is when no one need the item, and when everyone in party agree if you asked for need roll. You should ask for it. Never roll need for companion if no one agrees. that jedi sage healer that roll greed on heavy armor might also looking to gear up his/ her companion too.. so ask before need

- if it can be forced by system / by loot system then bioware can add a roll system that allow ppl to roll need if their class can use it, so a sage can only need on light armor, a smuggler can only need on medium and trooper can need on heavy.. that will solve the ninjaing problem

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sjmc
02.16.2012 , 06:18 AM | #806
Quote: Originally Posted by MalignX View Post
They shouldn't have made Companions gear dependent. And really, outside of the original storyline where you get them, they don't add much to the storyline, so they just become extensions of your character.
But companions ARE gear dependent, which is why the old loot rules aren't necessarily appropriate. Allowing them to wear the same gear as everyone else gives you a lot more flexibility in gearing them up and means that the developers don't have to spend a great deal of effort designing a parallel gear system for companions. However, it also means that we need to get them gear if we wish to progress in the game.
Quote: Originally Posted by Ainianu View Post
When leveling my Sage i was gearing my tank companion (and later Nadia) as best i could, even if it meant neglecting my Sage from time to time because it meant leveling a lot easier, even able to solo Heroic 2+/4 often.
My Smuggler's companion gets more benefit from better armor than my main character does, since she does most of the tanking for me.
Quote: Originally Posted by grueber View Post
Rolling need for a companion is like rolling need for a twink. It's not something I would do. It's wrong in my book. If you want to set the ground rules for loot as FFA then go ahead. Just be upfront with the rest of the group.
If you are the one that is insisting that "your book" is the one that should be applied, then you are the one that should speak up at the beginning of the group. EDIT: companions are NOT twinks. They are part of your character and are needed for progressing in the game.
Quote: Originally Posted by dprijadi View Post
- currently the most "acceptable" way to roll for companion is when no one need the item, and when everyone in party agree if you asked for need roll. You should ask for it. Never roll need for companion if no one agrees. that jedi sage healer that roll greed on heavy armor might also looking to gear up his/ her companion too.. so ask before need
Personally, I would prefer that we don't have to stop every few minutes to have a discussion about loot. You should just press need on what you need and greed on what you don't and move on. We could be rolling on a new set of loot by the time the conversation is over sometimes.

If they do add a "need for companion" button, I would like to see it roll with the "need" rolls, but with a penalty of -30 to -50. This would give the people that want it for their main characters an advantage, but would not lock out others completely. Greed rolls would only happen if noone pressed either need or need-for-companion.

In any case, if "need" has any meaning at all, needing for companions should have priority over people wanting to vendor an item. In reality, of course, nobody really "needs" any loot.

EDIT: If they limit people to rolling need only for gear they can use, then companions in flashpoints should get their own roll for gear that they can use.

Side question: why is there so much companion hate?

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ferroz
02.16.2012 , 06:31 AM | #807
Quote: Originally Posted by grueber View Post
Rolling need for a companion is like rolling need for a twink.
No, rolling for a twink helps a different character. Rolling for a companion helps the character that is doing the rolling.

Quote: Originally Posted by grueber View Post
You can self-rationalize any way you want.
So, does that means you can't actually defend your stance?

I mean, I'm being straightforward: I don't see why you think one person's wants are more important than another. They both want something to improve their character, yet you think that one should be ineligible for some reason. They both put in the same effort to get the item, and both have the same "need*" for it. If you think that the default loot rules should be changed to accommodate your arbitrary rules of who is or isn't eligible, you should really be able to say why you think that's the case.

*need in loot is kind of a red herring; it just means "I want it and will use it to make my play experience better directly instead of selling it and doing so indirectly"

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It is easy to determine what piece of gear is the best match for a class.
I'm not sure what that has to do with the quoted text...

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Shaligal
02.16.2012 , 06:41 AM | #808
Many people says that they roll Need because they can and they have all the right to get an item for their companions, saying they have paid for the game and all that bla bla bla. But later they are the same people that complain because someone else speak in the general chat with their own language. Wait a second! They do it because they can, they have all the right and they have paid for the game too!

You can be selfish and click Need to all, or you can be less selfish and click Need for the items that you need for yourself, or ask if you can roll Need for an item of your companion. This way all will get the items that need most faster and all happy. In the other way? We would **** each other all the time.

It's like the guy that has lost and ask to another person about how to arrive to a determinate street. We can help each other or we can just lie or ignore the person that ask us for help, and then when we would need help, probably the others will do the same to us. So in other words, we can choose to help each other or **** each other.

Probably if most of the people prefers to be so selfish at the end all people will be selfish and will happen like what happens in WoW, that everyone will push Need to all items and getting that item that you really want would be 10 times harder, because at the 10th try it will drop and 4 people will click Need, when maybe 2 of them want it for the companion and the other wants to sell it and win 5.000 credits.

Well, it's only a game, do what you want. But of course, clicking to Need to all without thinking if maybe someone else can need more that item is selfish.

Anyway, i have to say that i havent found in SWTOR anyone that has clicked Need to items for his companion without asking first.

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msdixi
02.16.2012 , 06:45 AM | #809
Quote: Originally Posted by Vislo View Post
Thanks! I honestly hate when people are like "needing for comp" Im like well hell if I would've known you'd done that then I would press need for every single item that drops ya greedy bastard, anyway glad this is happening
I so totally agree.
Companions are not playing with the group and are not entitled to Need roll as these companions do not benefit the group. Greed is the category for this.
It totally boggles my mind how (as happened to me) a tank can see that I, as a sage, need willpower items for my character and yet he rolls need for whatever purpose.
One person told me, I need it to sell it for credits.

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Feignz
02.16.2012 , 06:50 AM | #810
I do now roll Need for my companion. I play a Shadow Tank and use Nadia as my main companion. HM FPs can't give me an upgrade anymore. They can, however, upgrade a few slots on Nadia and therefore build up my DPS gear-set as well should i want to switch to DPS. Is this not fair? What if i wanted to change to DPS? If i was playing DPS in stead of Tank, would that make it fair? What's the difference?

I still only roll Need for Consular gear if there are no other Consulars in the group, but at the same time, it is for my companion really. I also wear some bad armor on the slot that i know drops in the FP, before my pugs inspect me. That way they think i'm rolling for myself so they don't get mad.

They're not mad. They couldn't use it for themselves anyway. I'm happy. Nadia's happy. I build my DPS set. Everyone's happy!