Matenki Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 so i have narrowed it down to jedi knight/ Sith warrior Leaning more to sith but anyway i only really know guardian Vigilance up to level 50 what are the other spec's like? Like is watchmen blowing all other jedi knight spec out of the water, is it really complicated, or is concentration a middle ground of difficulty and still good single and aoe damage? Insight into the specs would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KendraP Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Prefacing this with an "this is my opinion" Defense/immortal - tank, a very good one Vigi/vengeance - you indicated you already play, my personal favorite Focus/rage - fun, but sorta pointless since concentration/fury exists Watchman/Anni - more traditional dot spec than vigi/vengeance. Does good damage but definitely has a ramp up time Combat/carnage - fun but sorta pointless since concentration exists Concentration/fury - fun, easy to pick up, good immunity, all things being equal, this would be the spec I recommended. But I like guardians better so my main is defense guardians that spend more time in vigi these days because tanking is basically pointless outside of ops/MM FPs. And even there you can occasionally get away without a tank. TLDR: concentration/fury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahavery Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 I agree with what KendraP said above. A few other things to think about: You asked if watchman/annihilation is blowing everything else away. Short answer, no. It is strong, but Vigilance/Vengeance and Concentration/Fury have very similar overall damage output. You asked if Concentration is a middle ground in ease of rotation. Short answer, yes. Concentration has more of a set rotation while Watchman has more of a priority system, and I believe rotations are easier to learn than priority systems because they only require memorization. In addition, target swapping is easier on Concentration. The only thing harder about concentration is it is harder to recover from a mistake in your rotation, watchman is actually more forgiving in that regard. You asked about aoe versus single target damage. Concentration has good AoE burst but less AoE sustained dmg than Watchman. Watchman has very slightly better single target sustained damage than Concentration. Concentration beats Watchman on single target burst and when target swapping. Final note about Combat/carnage: This is the so called learning spec for sentinel/marauder. It has the easiest rotation, good burst, and is fun. In exchange, it is one of the worst specs in the game for overall damage output. Don’t run combat/carnage in NiM operations. For all other content it is viable, just not ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahavery Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Clarification: I over-generalized when I said rotations are easier to learn than priority systems. For example, arsenal Merc is a priority system but is stupidly easy to learn. Watchman’s priority system is harder to learn because you have to manage 3 dots (refreshing one of them periodically) while using merciless slash on CD Ann’s your fillers are RNG dependent to some extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matenki Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 tyvm for info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opiklo Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 I agree with what KendraP said above. A few other things to think about: You asked if watchman/annihilation is blowing everything else away. Short answer, no. It is strong, but Vigilance/Vengeance and Concentration/Fury have very similar overall damage output. You asked if Concentration is a middle ground in ease of rotation. Short answer, yes. Concentration has more of a set rotation while Watchman has more of a priority system, and I believe rotations are easier to learn than priority systems because they only require memorization. In addition, target swapping is easier on Concentration. The only thing harder about concentration is it is harder to recover from a mistake in your rotation, watchman is actually more forgiving in that regard. You asked about aoe versus single target damage. Concentration has good AoE burst but less AoE sustained dmg than Watchman. Watchman has very slightly better single target sustained damage than Concentration. Concentration beats Watchman on single target burst and when target swapping. Final note about Combat/carnage: This is the so called learning spec for sentinel/marauder. It has the easiest rotation, good burst, and is fun. In exchange, it is one of the worst specs in the game for overall damage output. Don’t run combat/carnage in NiM operations. For all other content it is viable, just not ideal. a) i disagree on carnage. you can clear all nim content with it. b) concentration definetly has its flaw. 1. you cant use zealous leap on every boss (e.g. revan, terror....) 2. zealous leap repositions you in an arkward way and makes things more complicated than they are. c) (more for kendra) what a focus guardian has that a concentration sent doesnt? its called armor debuff and its very important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasxero Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 c) (more for kendra) what a focus guardian has that a concentration sent doesnt? its called armor debuff and its very important. wait do u mean from sundering strike? or did they add something new to the spec? cuz i'd trade all the armor debuffin in the world for 6 second CC immunity every 24 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahavery Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 a) i disagree on carnage. you can clear all nim content with it. b) concentration definetly has its flaw. 1. you cant use zealous leap on every boss (e.g. revan, terror....) 2. zealous leap repositions you in an arkward way and makes things more complicated than they are. c) (more for kendra) what a focus guardian has that a concentration sent doesnt? its called armor debuff and its very important. I shouldn’t even have brought up carnage as relating to nim content.... OP has 1 lvl 50 toon, he’s likely not doing NiM. Depending on what he’s doing he won’t have to worry about the reposition on concentration’s zealous leap either. But thanks for pointing that out. There are other classes with the armor debuff... AP PT gets it on rocket punch. I always thought the debuff doesn’t stack so depending on comp wouldnt a guardian’s debuff be redundant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KendraP Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 There are other classes with the armor debuff... AP PT gets it on rocket punch. I always thought the debuff doesn’t stack so depending on comp wouldnt a guardian’s debuff be redundant? I mean I even prefaced my statement with it being my opinion. I suppose I should have added a "in my opinion for a levelling/casual player". But I won't be able to give my opinion here much longer so it's moot anyway. To answer your question, yes, and I too have serious doubts the OP was referencing NiM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdjeYo Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 There are other classes with the armor debuff... AP PT gets it on rocket punch. I always thought the debuff doesn’t stack so depending on comp wouldnt a guardian’s debuff be redundant? It's true that it doesn't stack (like all of the debuffs that increase a targets damage taken), but you might very well find yourself without a spec that has it in your group. That said, you'd probably always pick Vengeance over Rage, and Vengeance gets the armour debuff, so it's a bit of a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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