Glided Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 The only thing I think I've kind of gathered so far is that Satele Shan has fewer overall players than Starforge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTricicolo Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Star Forge has a heavy role player presence particularly on Pub side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkTergon Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 The only thing I think I've kind of gathered so far is that Satele Shan has fewer overall players than Starforge I mostly main SF, although I do have some chars on SS, which I play every now and then. SF always seems to be busier, and have a higher amount of RP'ers. They both seem to have good people/bad people, both have toxic chat at times, SF is probably a little worse, but it could be because there are more. Que times on SF seem shorter, at least the que's i use, I don't PvP, so I can't speak for that. If you are looking to pick one out to main, best advice, is to vist both during peak time, and see which you prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmorrisson Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) Players should be maintaining legacies on both servers. I also maintain that both Satele Shan and Star Forge have same pve-pvp (unrranked (warzones)) activity if the strictly RP player were not factored in Star Forge's favor. Support SWTOR by supporting server Satale Shan Edited June 18, 2020 by jimmorrisson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorWarman Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) I haven't been on SF but I've been playing on Satele Shan and have had mostly positive experiences. Never had trouble finding FP's in less then five minutes (Pub Side) and the Warzone queue never takes longer then 5-7 minutes except for the early morning. The only negative I've run into is some occasional toxicity on the fleet general chat, but that's pretty par the course for all servers I imagine. Edited June 19, 2020 by ConnorWarman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironkevin Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Starforge has a noticeably higher player count, but Satele Shan still has a healthy player base. I would label SS as a medium pop server and SF as a high pop. With this in mind SF has shorter queues, but its not a complete night and day difference. Because layers/instances exists the open world isn't really affected by pop count. Could have 100 people on alderaan but only 25 or so people in each layer. Also to note that with a higher pop count I think(been awhile since I compared) that SF has a more rampant credit issue with how things are priced on the GTN(inflation). Both servers have toxic general chat on the fleet though, there is no escaping that. About the only differences that might be impactful aside from pop count would be ping and time zones. SS is west coast, SF is east cost(pretty sure), so if you want more people from your time zone then you could go to the one that is for your region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toraak Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Starforge has a noticeably higher player count, but Satele Shan still has a healthy player base. I would label SS as a medium pop server and SF as a high pop. With this in mind SF has shorter queues, but its not a complete night and day difference. Because layers/instances exists the open world isn't really affected by pop count. Could have 100 people on alderaan but only 25 or so people in each layer. Also to note that with a higher pop count I think(been awhile since I compared) that SF has a more rampant credit issue with how things are priced on the GTN(inflation). Both servers have toxic general chat on the fleet though, there is no escaping that. About the only differences that might be impactful aside from pop count would be ping and time zones. SS is west coast, SF is east cost(pretty sure), so if you want more people from your time zone then you could go to the one that is for your region. Not entirely true. When they created these 5 new Servers, they placed both SF and SS in the same area. So while SS does have all of the old West cost players from Harb, Bastion, and BC the server itself is now located in the East Coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qouivandes Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Not entirely true. When they created these 5 new Servers, they placed both SF and SS in the same area. So while SS does have all of the old West cost players from Harb, Bastion, and BC the server itself is now located in the East Coast. pretty much this. It caused such a stink when folks figured it out that they changed it on the server list. I dont play much on SS, but i do have a few characters there. I mostly play on SF and my cadre of interestingly strange toons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironkevin Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 pretty much this. It caused such a stink when folks figured it out that they changed it on the server list. I dont play much on SS, but i do have a few characters there. I mostly play on SF and my cadre of interestingly strange toons. I see what you two are talking about now. According to the wiki the regions are just suggested regions for time zones, despite them being located in the same area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediQuaker Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) I know who Satele Shan is, but who's Star Forge? 🤔 Edited June 20, 2020 by JediQuaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkTergon Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) I know who Satele Shan is, but who's Star Forge? 🤔 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Forge It's mentioned in a Nar shadda Planet missi, probably others too, but this only one that comes to mind Edited June 20, 2020 by DarkTergon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceryxp Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Star Forge has a heavy role player presence particularly on Pub side. You sure? I'm pretty sure 90% of the players on Imp side Star Forge RP as a 13-year-old, basement dwelling edge lord. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Forge It's mentioned in a Nar shadda Planet missi, probably others too, but this only one that comes to mind Yes, Star Forge is named for the Star Forge from KotOR 1. Satele Shan is named for the eponymous Grand Master, as is Darth Malgus (European English server) named for the eponymous septuagenarian (might be octogenarian now that Charles gave us the current year). Tulak Hord (European German server) is named for the ancient Sith lord. The Leviathan (European French server) is named for Admiral Saul Karath's ship from KotOR 1. Satele Shan was going to be called The Hot Prospect, named after a Calipsan 560 mining ship that was used by Zayne Carrick (after whom Carrick Station is named), but people found that name to be problematic so it was changed. So I named my guild ship The Hot Prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSBragancia Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Satele Shan was going to be called The Hot Prospect... So Satele Shan was once known as a Hot Prospect? Yeah, I can see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediQuaker Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) I know who Satele Shan is, but who's Star Forge? 🤔 /swoosh! Maybe I should have specified "who is this Star Forge person", so people could get the joke. 😂 I think Star Forge is Darth Forge's sister? 😀 Edited October 17, 2021 by JediQuaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercielaga Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Also, it varies a little and is kind of relative, but gtn prices seem to be higher on Satele Shan, overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 /swoosh! Maybe I should have specified "who is this Star Forge person", so people could get the joke. 😂 I think Star Forge is Darth Forge's sister? 😀 Or Star Lords little brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floplag Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 i used to play only SS, now play both, more SF as ive somewhat changed my focus in the game from PvP to PvE so i went were there were more people. In my view, both are healthy enough, the primary difference i see is that more people = more pops on either side of the ball be it PvE or PvP on SF but for the most part both still pop. PvP wise in my opinion there are more "better" players on SS, but more overall on SF... but, also more throwers, trolls, and troglodytes in SS PvP. It was always SS for PvP, SF for PvE.. that doesnt seem to have changed all that much. I still play both, enjoy both, it just comes down to preference at this point really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHTJunior Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I have characters on all of the English-speaking servers, both factions. The Harbinger was my original Republic server, now Satele Shan Shadowlands was my original Imperial server, now Star Forge Can't remember the name of my Dark vs Light server name, but it was merged onto Star Forge Come to think of it, I think The Harbinger and Shadowlands were also new server names from the my very first originals, and I was forced to move to these somewhere along the way, well before the DvL event. It's how some of my characters lost their names, despite being created the day the servers went live (no more BH named Heiko with companion Mako, SW named Maro to go with Vette-still twins, though, and my Smuggler named Turner... poof... renamed). If you had this list of servers to choose from, where do you think you'd go? https://swtor-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Servers_List?oldid=33508 US East PvE Servers Anturi Reach Assassins of Sion Axial Park Canderous Ordo Colonel Tobin Corellian Run Crevasse City Darth Bandon Drunk Side Cantina Eidolon Security Elysium Firaxan Shark Fort Garnik Giradda the Hutt Grand Master Zym Hanharr ICE Breaker Jedi Covenant Juyo Kaas City Kathol Rift Keetael Keller's Void Khoonda Militia Ki-Ta Kren Krayiss Obelisk Krayt Dragon Master Dorak Mind Trick Nathema Sedyn Kyne Shadow Hand Shii-Cho Sith Meditation Sphere Sith Wyrm Tarro Blood Telos Restoration Project The Constant The Courageous The Defenestrator The Razor The Shadowlands Whitebeam Run Zez-Kai Ell US East PvP Servers Anchorhead Belgoth's Beacon Bondar Crystal Cho Mai Darth Malak Davik's Estate Death Wind Corridor Firkrann Crystal Gardens of Talla Hedarr Soongh Helm of Graush Infinity Gate Iron Citadel Kinrath Spider Naddist Rebels Port Nowhere Prophecy of the Five Rwookrrorro Saber of Exar Kun Sword of Ajunta Pall Terentatek The Deadweight The Fatman The Twin Spears Thendys Noori Veela Vulkar Highway US East RP-PvE Servers Kath Hound Lord Adraas Rubat Crystal Shien Sanctum of the Exalted The Ebon Hawk US East RP-PvP Servers Jung Ma Ven Zallow US West PvE Servers Darth Sion Darth Xedrix Drooga's Pleasure Barge Empress Teta Fa'athra Gauntlet of Kressh Hyperspace Cannon Kaiburr Crystal Krath Lord Praven Mask of Nihilus Master Gnost-Dural Master Zhar Lestin Namadii Corridor Perlemian Trade Route Soresu Space Slug The Harbinger The Jekk'Jekk Tarr Veeboo Lunx Vornskr Wall of Light Zaalbar Zakkeg Beast US West PvP Servers Black Vulkars Daragon Trail Dark Reaper Infinite Empire Mandalore the Indomitable Nadd's Sarcophagus Rakata Mind Prison Shadowtown The Crucible Pits The Bastion The Maw The Swiftsure Warriors of the Shadow Wound in the Force US West RP-PvE Servers Begeren Colony Lord Ieldis Vrook Lamar US West RP-PvP Servers Ajunta Pall English PvE Servers Bacca's Blade Bao-Dur Dune Bantha Dxun Battle Circle Flames of Crucible Frostclaw Goluud Corridor Hidden Beks Hydian Way Kellian Jarro Ludo Kressh Luka Sene Nightmare Lands Peragus Mining Facility Rogue Moon Sith'Ari Sluis Shipyards The Arkanian Legacy The Red Eclipse English PvP Servers Ahto City Basilisk Droid Bloodworthy Chuundar Hex Droid Kai-kan Legions of Lettow Niman Scepter of Ragnos Senator Contispex Tassaa Bareesh The Exile's Crystal The Kumumgah The Ravager The Shadow Runner Tomb of Freedon Nadd Tott Doneeta Trayus Academy Ula Vii Uthar Wynn English RP-PvE Servers Shaltin Tunnels The Progenitor Trask Ulgo English RP-PvP Servers Lord Calypho French PvE Servers Hssiss Mantle of the Force Phateem Halls of Knowledge Vodo-Siosk Baas French PvP Servers Atris Baron Deathmark Darth Nihilus Dol Grenn Hrakert Rift Princess Galia Star Map French RP-PvE Servers Battle Meditation Kessel Run French RP-PvP Servers Huntmaster German PvE Servers Darth Andeddu Dreypa's Oubliette Exar Kun Faustin Academy Force Harvester Handmaidens of Atris Lenico Gargantuan Murakami Orchid Opila Crystal Sith Triumvirate Stereb Cities Supreme Commander Stantorrs T3-M4 The Cinzia The Jedi Tower German PvP Servers Blotus the Hutt Brianna Darth Revan's Mask Darth Traya Exis Station Jar'Kai Sword Pius Dea The Krath Enchanter The Restoration Zone German RP-PvE Servers Cassus Fett Vanjervalis Chain Zayne Carrick German RP-PvP Servers Jen'jidai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MystyqeofXev Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Drunk Side Cantina Obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) i used to play only SS, now play both, more SF as ive somewhat changed my focus in the game from PvP to PvE so i went were there were more people. In my view, both are healthy enough, the primary difference i see is that more people = more pops on either side of the ball be it PvE or PvP on SF but for the most part both still pop. PvP wise in my opinion there are more "better" players on SS, but more overall on SF... but, also more throwers, trolls, and troglodytes in SS PvP. It was always SS for PvP, SF for PvE.. that doesnt seem to have changed all that much. I still play both, enjoy both, it just comes down to preference at this point really. Pretty good analysis and corresponds with what I see too. The only other thing I would add is crafted GTN prices are generally more stable on SS because there are less people crafting and listing. But the prices are generally higher as well. That is also true for CM items because less people listing means higher prices. So I buy my CM items on SF or DM and open them in collections if I want to use them on SS. The issue with SS is the declining population. And it’s only accelerating as more people move to SF or DM. At the current rate, it will be dead for group content by this time next year. Edited October 19, 2021 by TrixxieTriss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I have characters on all of the English-speaking servers, both factions. The Harbinger was my original Republic server, now Satele Shan Shadowlands was my original Imperial server, now Star Forge Can't remember the name of my Dark vs Light server name, but it was merged onto Star Forge Come to think of it, I think The Harbinger and Shadowlands were also new server names from the my very first originals, and I was forced to move to these somewhere along the way, well before the DvL event. It's how some of my characters lost their names, despite being created the day the servers went live (no more BH named Heiko with companion Mako, SW named Maro to go with Vette-still twins, though, and my Smuggler named Turner... poof... renamed). If you had this list of servers to choose from, where do you think you'd go? https://swtor-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Servers_List?oldid=33508 US East PvE Servers Anturi Reach Assassins of Sion Axial Park Canderous Ordo Colonel Tobin Corellian Run Crevasse City Darth Bandon Drunk Side Cantina Eidolon Security Elysium Firaxan Shark Fort Garnik Giradda the Hutt Grand Master Zym Hanharr ICE Breaker Jedi Covenant Juyo Kaas City Kathol Rift Keetael Keller's Void Khoonda Militia Ki-Ta Kren Krayiss Obelisk Krayt Dragon Master Dorak Mind Trick Nathema Sedyn Kyne Shadow Hand Shii-Cho Sith Meditation Sphere Sith Wyrm Tarro Blood Telos Restoration Project The Constant The Courageous The Defenestrator The Razor The Shadowlands Whitebeam Run Zez-Kai Ell US East PvP Servers Anchorhead Belgoth's Beacon Bondar Crystal Cho Mai Darth Malak Davik's Estate Death Wind Corridor Firkrann Crystal Gardens of Talla Hedarr Soongh Helm of Graush Infinity Gate Iron Citadel Kinrath Spider Naddist Rebels Port Nowhere Prophecy of the Five Rwookrrorro Saber of Exar Kun Sword of Ajunta Pall Terentatek The Deadweight The Fatman The Twin Spears Thendys Noori Veela Vulkar Highway US East RP-PvE Servers Kath Hound Lord Adraas Rubat Crystal Shien Sanctum of the Exalted The Ebon Hawk US East RP-PvP Servers Jung Ma Ven Zallow US West PvE Servers Darth Sion Darth Xedrix Drooga's Pleasure Barge Empress Teta Fa'athra Gauntlet of Kressh Hyperspace Cannon Kaiburr Crystal Krath Lord Praven Mask of Nihilus Master Gnost-Dural Master Zhar Lestin Namadii Corridor Perlemian Trade Route Soresu Space Slug The Harbinger The Jekk'Jekk Tarr Veeboo Lunx Vornskr Wall of Light Zaalbar Zakkeg Beast US West PvP Servers Black Vulkars Daragon Trail Dark Reaper Infinite Empire Mandalore the Indomitable Nadd's Sarcophagus Rakata Mind Prison Shadowtown The Crucible Pits The Bastion The Maw The Swiftsure Warriors of the Shadow Wound in the Force US West RP-PvE Servers Begeren Colony Lord Ieldis Vrook Lamar US West RP-PvP Servers Ajunta Pall English PvE Servers Bacca's Blade Bao-Dur Dune Bantha Dxun Battle Circle Flames of Crucible Frostclaw Goluud Corridor Hidden Beks Hydian Way Kellian Jarro Ludo Kressh Luka Sene Nightmare Lands Peragus Mining Facility Rogue Moon Sith'Ari Sluis Shipyards The Arkanian Legacy The Red Eclipse English PvP Servers Ahto City Basilisk Droid Bloodworthy Chuundar Hex Droid Kai-kan Legions of Lettow Niman Scepter of Ragnos Senator Contispex Tassaa Bareesh The Exile's Crystal The Kumumgah The Ravager The Shadow Runner Tomb of Freedon Nadd Tott Doneeta Trayus Academy Ula Vii Uthar Wynn English RP-PvE Servers Shaltin Tunnels The Progenitor Trask Ulgo English RP-PvP Servers Lord Calypho French PvE Servers Hssiss Mantle of the Force Phateem Halls of Knowledge Vodo-Siosk Baas French PvP Servers Atris Baron Deathmark Darth Nihilus Dol Grenn Hrakert Rift Princess Galia Star Map French RP-PvE Servers Battle Meditation Kessel Run French RP-PvP Servers Huntmaster German PvE Servers Darth Andeddu Dreypa's Oubliette Exar Kun Faustin Academy Force Harvester Handmaidens of Atris Lenico Gargantuan Murakami Orchid Opila Crystal Sith Triumvirate Stereb Cities Supreme Commander Stantorrs T3-M4 The Cinzia The Jedi Tower German PvP Servers Blotus the Hutt Brianna Darth Revan's Mask Darth Traya Exis Station Jar'Kai Sword Pius Dea The Krath Enchanter The Restoration Zone German RP-PvE Servers Cassus Fett Vanjervalis Chain Zayne Carrick German RP-PvP Servers Jen'jidai You forgot the Asia Pacific Servers Dalborra (PvE) Master Dar'Nala (PvP) Gav Daragon (RP PvE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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