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Same gender relationships clarifications?

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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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stuffystuffs's Avatar

09.04.2012 , 09:29 PM | #1121
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
However, I loved Kaliyo Djannis's romance. Because it was pretty far from the standard. I typically like to avoid getting my character married, lol.
I agree...I am worried that most of these romances kinda force the whole marriage thing though (from what I've heard).

Again, I know pretty much nothing about them.

Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
Don't expect a whole lot out of the romances in this game though....there isn't really enough detail put into them. It doesn't stop my imagination, however.
Well, I'm using my imagination so far and it's working out pretty well XD

There's nothing in game to contradict my belief that my Agent and Kaliyo are getting it on or my Jedi and Kira, I say!

Captain_Zone's Avatar

09.04.2012 , 10:53 PM | #1122
Quote: Originally Posted by Malles View Post
Because EA woke up one day and remembered they owned BioWare, so now we're operating under Electronic Arts SOP until they start developing the next Madden game.

Seriously, though, I don't think they're going to. Same-sex relationships has always been seen in M-rated games and this is a T-game. And since LucasArts has this thing with catering to the younger generations, we won't see same-sex stuff for a while, if ever. I don't know why people keep bringing it up. If it happens, it happens. If not, so what? Sure, it's make the game more fun, but so would playable Trandoshans or removing EA's pull over the game, and we're not getting those soon either.
I agree with the first part of your statement about EA. That wouldn't surprise me in the least. I've kinda made it a hobby to watch EA and their shady business practices. lol

As for the second part, The ESRB doesn't differentiate between OGRs and SGRs when determining the rating. Both KotOR and KotOR II had SGRs, though not as fleshed out as those in Jade Empire, Mass Effect, and the Dragon Age games. Juhani declares her love for the female Revan in KotOR, but with no follow-up, unfortunately. Also, Luxa flirts openly with the female Exile in KotOR II. Also with no follow-through.

While coincidence is with you that the M-Rated games had the full-fledged SGRs, they also had much more violence, adult situations, nudity, and profanity. That is what the ESRB looks at when rating a game.

Mazarill's Avatar

09.05.2012 , 12:04 AM | #1123
Give me lesbians!

HellbirdIV's Avatar

09.05.2012 , 01:39 AM | #1124
Quote: Originally Posted by Mazarill View Post
Give me lesbians!
They should do like with Mass Effect and advertise lesbian softcore sex scenes being in the game and sell millions of copies.

chuixupu's Avatar

09.05.2012 , 01:40 AM | #1125
Quote: Originally Posted by stuffystuffs View Post
I agree...I am worried that most of these romances kinda force the whole marriage thing though (from what I've heard).
Not may feel pressured but not forced. I didn't marry Nadia on my Consular...she didn't mind. I didn't marry Ensign Temple on my agent, and while she was clearly unhappy about it, she didn't protest or end the relationship. Certain other companions I've seen actually turn down your marriage proposal. I felt like Torian would have just fallen to pieces if I said no, so I don't know what really happens if I did. But I can't speak for all romances in the game yet, many I haven't seen.

Kaliyo is so obviously bisexual. It's not even subtle.

So anyway.....yes everyone here is aware that SGR might not happen, or may be on the backburner for a while, but there is nothing wrong with keeping this thread alive and continuing to do what the title says, request clarifications.

Silthir's Avatar

09.05.2012 , 01:55 AM | #1126
Quote: Originally Posted by Hessen View Post
But in the current limited scope of development with the current skeletal staff and the obvious move to maintenance mode that F2P is bringing, if SGRA implementation is prioritised over new operations, flashpoints, planets, bug fixes, Open world PvP, cosmetic options, mini-games, space battle revamp. That move will lose far more people than it will please.
Oh so let's just get a new annoying race instead of new romance options?

Kidding aside, I'd have much preferred the Cathar be delayed as well. They are a very minor cosmetic change and really does anyone need them? No. I mean, I'm not saying that we need being prioritized over new ops, flashpoints, planets, bug fixes or PVP, but the rest of it can wait too. I personally can't say I've seen a mini-game in TOR, but if there are then those can be put on the back burner too, they're not important to the overall game. Space battles really aren't either, I mean... I do the Jabim Escort simply for the title, other than that, I could care less about Space Battles, most people I've talked to could care less about them either. That, too, can be put on the back burner.

Kioma's Avatar

09.05.2012 , 01:55 AM | #1127
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
Kaliyo is so obviously bisexual. It's not even subtle.
Or she simply chooses to appear so, in order to manipulate as broad a range of people as she possibly can. She might be totally straight. Or, for that matter, totally not.

<shrugs> I think she's bi too, I'm just aware that particularly with extremely manipulative types you really never can tell.

Hyardgune's Avatar

09.05.2012 , 09:00 AM | #1128
I just want to drop in and add another voice in support of SGRs. I have to say that I was disappointed that they weren't there from the start after playing some other BW games. Given the rapidly evolving attitudes about SGRs in the real world, especially among the younger generations that are also the primary players of games like this, it's just dumb that this hasn't been implemented, or at the very least, given some community support time.

Uluain's Avatar

09.05.2012 , 10:39 AM | #1129
Our last official word from BioWare on same-gender romance came six months ago today. That was at the Guild Summit, where a panel of developers discussed the present and future of the game. The Community Q&A was then several weeks old, and we had not been shy about asking for an update on same-gender content. Although that never was addressed on the weekly Q&A blog, or for that matter anywhere else that the Developer Tracker can track, late in the day, toward the tail end of the panel discussion, Daniel Erickson finally tackled the subject of SGRs. Here's what he said:

Quote: Originally Posted by Daniel Erickson
This is an interesting one because it sort of lit up, and we didn't honestly -- if we should give an update on it every single time -- We've always said the same thing with it, which is that it's coming, and it's coming with story updates. And we totally understand when people hear "soon", um, maybe I should have put the TM next to it that, "writer Soon"? The writers have a much, much larger lead time than you would expect, and we wanna do any of this stuff right. We heard suggestions, and we do read the stuff, and let's talk a little about the stuff we were not willing to do. We were not willing to go in and just change all the dialogue to work for the other gender. That is not writing. That is not good storytelling.

When we do this, we wanna do it right, we wanna do it with the characters that make sense, that we always knew that we wanted to do it for those, so you guys know and we've talked about it before, it ended up being a budget and scheduling issue. There are romance arcs that we wanted to do that didn't make it in the game, we knew which characters (I'm not gonna tell you)... [some audience joking about characters] So the short answer is, it's never changed, it's still coming, it's coming when full story comes, and when is full story coming? This year. So we are still on track.
The line he takes with "we've always said the same thing" was rather disingenuous, as it implied that there had been multiple statements. In fact, until Mr. Erickson addressed the topic, the only official word we'd had was six months prior to that -- the statement from Stephen Reid which is still the blanket boilerplate reply when one needs to be given. It didn't mention anything about SGRs being parceled with story, either.

It would be nice to know how much of the Guild Summit info is still true. I am hoping that if some overriding in-house gag-rule precludes an update on the status of SGRs, that we might at least hear in generic terms about story. Nothing I haven't said here before, but I wanted to repost that to mark the semi-anniversary of the last word we've had on the subject.

losdia's Avatar

09.05.2012 , 12:18 PM | #1130
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
It would be nice to know how much of the Guild Summit info is still true. I am hoping that if some overriding in-house gag-rule precludes an update on the status of SGRs, that we might at least hear in generic terms about story.
I think we can safely say that we've heard some new stuff about story. They've been pushing Mekab as being a story expansion and they keep saying there will be a faster pace of new story content updates after its release. The Hood interview was also pretty interesting on the story front. The question I haven't really seen anyone ask in this thread is, that since Hood indicated that most of the future story content would be universal rather than class specific, does that include SGR? When they were asked at the guild summit they evaded the question of if SGR would be available on current companions.