not to mention that when selecting tank and dps GF will automaticly try to make you tank. For tacticals you can have 4 tanks who are all dps for example.

 

Then they shouldn't be queuing as tanks!

Then they shouldn't be queuing as tanks!

 

If you have field respec and two sets of gear, you might as well queue for both ...

If you have field respec and two sets of gear, you might as well queue for both ...

 

I love how people always miss the point. Not!

 

Telling others to not queue as something they are not DOES NOT APPLY TO:

1) People who have the Field Respecialization perk.

AND

2) Carry around 2 (or more) sets of gear for the purpose.

AND

3) Are able and willing to fulfil multiple roles after a quick respec and gear change.

 

The ones that don't meet the above criteria but still queue as something they are not, they ARE the ones targeted by these posts.

I love how people always miss the point. Not!

 

Telling others to not queue as something they are not DOES NOT APPLY TO:

1) People who have the Field Respecialization perk.

AND

2) Carry around 2 (or more) sets of gear for the purpose.

AND

3) Are able and willing to fulfil multiple roles after a quick respec and gear change.

 

The ones that don't meet the above criteria but still queue as something they are not, they ARE the ones targeted by these posts.

 

Yeah .... my shadow does not agree with you mate. In fact lv55 HMs are faster and quite doable when you bring 3 DPS. Also I have healed in rakata gear (140) an assassin DPS in mando raiders.

You should add a 4th point or modify the 3rd one to:

 

3) Are able and willing to fulfil multiple roles

Yeah .... my shadow does not agree with you mate. In fact lv55 HMs are faster and quite doable when you bring 3 DPS. Also I have healed in rakata gear (140) an assassin DPS in mando raiders.

You should add a 4th point or modify the 3rd one to:

 

3) Are able and willing to fulfil multiple roles

 

You do realize that the people who meet the criteria on the list are not the norm, right? You also realize that they, and only they, are the ones who make the "3DPS + Healer" in 55 HMs possible, right? Same applies to the Mando run you mentioned.

 

People who know what they are doing can do the content without being overgeared for it, and many times without being specced or even specifically geared for it (depending on the content). Unfortunately, these people are as rare as teeth on a hen in PUG land.

 

We aren't talking about those people.

 

We are talking about people who queue as a Tank or Healer because they don't want to deal with the wait that DPSs have for the queue to pop. We are talking about people that will then expect, or rather DEMAND, that you make up for the fact that they are not a Tank or a Healer. Who will throw it in you face that "it's just a game", "if you don't want to die, don't queue for FPs", or my personal favourite "kick me, I'll just find another group".

 

If you want to continue to not see the problem because "you" aren't one of the people who does this, go ahead. But the problem exists and they are out there.

 

/rantoff

 

Time for more stories.

Thats why I renamed point 3 to people who are able to. And yes I do fully get your point

Lol I saw a 16k HP tank in HM czerka core too!

 

I was like nope, and left and the 16k tank whispers me some insults about how everyone needs a chance and etc.

 

I ignored. NOT IN HARD MODE DUDE!

 

Tactical or lvl 50 HM till you are in MOSTLY 156/162 pls. ty

Edited October 13, 2014 by Smuglebunny

Had a funny moment with my Sage in the KDY hangar (the one with 3 stories).

 

We get to the top where you fight the 2 gold and 1 silver. I like to grab the closest gold and toss him over the edge, so I did just that. Just as I overload him, one of our guardian dps leaps to him, and down he flew to the bottom. He survives, and makes his way back up with the gold in pursuit. Once he gets into range I extricate him, but as soon as he lands on top, he walks forward, falling over the edge to his death.

I love that KDY-academy, where these comes to lvl 55 and straigh to 55hm fp..

 

http://imgur.com/2bOGY1z

 

Interesting, your parsec pop-ups show up on your screenshots. Is there some option for that, because mine never show up.

 

EDIT: Think I found it, do you have to hold Ctrl when pressing print screen?

Edited October 13, 2014 by BigBreakfast

Had a funny moment with my Sage in the KDY hangar (the one with 3 stories).

 

We get to the top where you fight the 2 gold and 1 silver. I like to grab the closest gold and toss him over the edge, so I did just that. Just as I overload him, one of our guardian dps leaps to him, and down he flew to the bottom. He survives, and makes his way back up with the gold in pursuit. Once he gets into range I extricate him, but as soon as he lands on top, he walks forward, falling over the edge to his death.

 

That's when you type,

 

"Durr-durr-duuuurrrrrr!!"

 

in /party

KDY Academy? Those were the golden days, my friend! Now we have 12x speed-levelers who went from 1-55 in two days flat, and show up for HMs rocking quest greens from their 20s. At least in KDY you got planetary coms.

 

Not even a week into this new age and already we are reaping the fruit. 20k sniper in Mando HM, insisting on pulling mobs before the tank. Guess how long it took before I stopped running frantically after him to panic-heal.

 

(...)

 

But don't give me this gosh darn attitude that tells me you don't see me as a person but rather an NPC like Jakarro whose purpose is to show up and escort you to victory, because I'm not in the mood anymore.

 

Granted, I haven't hit 55 yet (haven't pre-ordered the EXP because I don't want the X12 bonus) but I everytime I run a FP on my operative healer I keep bumping into these people...

 

Two SM Boarding Party FPs where I met "interesting" people;

First one, last night, the lvl34 jugg tank had 4.8k hp and 2.2k armor rating. Myself, the operative healer, was sitting on 7.8k hp and 2.1k AR... that felt awkward. The worst of it though was the fact that the guy wouldn't heal himself between fights and just kept rushing onwards.

 

Well that's okay.. I guess I can appreciate a tank that chainpulls... it's good practice anyway

 

Or so I thought... guy decides to charge the first boss (whatshisname, the big robot) while at 30% hp. Somehow the fight ended with the only casualty being the mercenary who didn't dodge the sparkly circles on the floor.

He didn't allow me to CC any mobs to make pulls easier... oh, he didn't taunt either. So lots of facetanking for me.

 

Maybe he's new? It's kind of annoying to run a FP this way, but as long as no one dies and we get this done fast I guess I don't mind...

 

So we kill the last boss (we didn't do the bonus) and a cunning/endurance chestpiece drops. Nice! It has better stats than mine, so I roll need.

So does the tank. Because it "looks cool and its adaptative". And he got it.

 

Oh for ****...

 

Second Boarding Party run, this afternoon.

This time the tank was a pretty competent assassin who took his time to explain tactics before bosses and ran the bonus once I mentioned I'd never done it.

Too bad the marauder in the group was acting like he owned the place in his lvl11 green gear, rolled need on EVERYTHING and jumped mobs before the tank.

 

At some point I called the marauder on his antics and his guildmate (a sorc) said that I also rolled need on something so I shouldn't complain.

Yeah.. I rolled need on a blue cunning earpiece. Sorry for that.

 

After letting the marauder die once he seemed to understand that charging first wasn't good for his health... but unfortunately his guildmate ninjalooted the same chestpiece from the endchest from me.

 

Greeeeat.

I've found that a lot of the people levelling up super fast with the 12xp and don't update their gear to match a lot of the time seem to click NEED for everything, I don't know if it's something anyone else has noticed but I only ever used to run into these cases very infrequently but as of this 12xp I have seen quite a few people who are constantly clicking NEED for everything in FP's. Just wanted to say that no it's not everyone but I have seen an increase in this as of recently. I think I just needed to rant that because of the multiple times I have lost loot for my Shadow Tank to that smuggler healer who NEEDED it and always won. Edited October 14, 2014 by BlueShiftRecall

I've found that a lot of the people levelling up super fast with the 12xp and don't update their gear to match a lot of the time seem to click NEED for everything, I don't know if it's something anyone else has noticed but I only ever used to run into these cases very infrequently but as of this 12xp I have seen quite a few people who are constantly clicking NEED for everything in FP's. Just wanted to say that no it's not everyone but I have seen an increase in this as of recently. I think I just needed to rant that because of the multiple times I have lost loot for my Shadow Tank to that smuggler healer who NEEDED it and always won.

 

Not defending them at all because it's not the right behavior.

 

BUT

 

they're doing it because even if the mainstat is wrong, it's probably a better piece of gear for them than what they have. I'm an experienced player (I like to think I'm even a decent one) and even I'm having trouble keeping my gear up. I had 20k when I hit max on my new PT tank only because I had given him a 2-set at 50 (from my main PT) and veracity implants/ear. My sent will have less, my vanguard about the same. It's very difficult to keep up with the gearing if you're not sending over gear/mods from alts, and you don't even need to a lot of the time anyway because you end up overleveled for your missions.

 

It doesn't help that some of the random green/blue drops you get will be better than what you're wearing, and you might not even notice that the mainstat is wrong because you're so happy to see all those green numbers - particularly if you're new and subbed because "Cool! Only class missions, that sounds awesome!" and don't have any idea how the gearing works and turn off tutorials (seriously those things are annoying, I should have kept them on when I was new but damn were they obnoxious). If you subbed because Star Wars!!!!!!! you might not even understand the concept of gearing in an MMO to begin with. That's what I fell into. If it was equipable, my guardian would wear it.

 

So, to recap: not defending them at all. Explain why it's wrong and if they stop awesome, if they don't kick 'em.

Athiss HM

Tank charges ahead to every next fight but never heals herself between fights. So just before first boss I say:

 

Me: also, please help me out by healing yourselves between fights

Tank: that is your job as healer

Me: to heal during fights, all i'm asking is that you help out by healing yourself between them

DPS: i always do, heal my force if nothing else

Me: thanks much

DPS: replenish, w/e

Tank left the group.

 

At least she voluntarily ragequit to give herself the lockout.

Athiss HM

Tank charges ahead to every next fight but never heals herself between fights. So just before first boss I say:

 

Me: also, please help me out by healing yourselves between fights

Tank: that is your job as healer

Me: to heal during fights, all i'm asking is that you help out by healing yourself between them

DPS: i always do, heal my force if nothing else

Me: thanks much

DPS: replenish, w/e

Tank left the group.

 

At least she voluntarily ragequit to give herself the lockout.

 

Meh.

 

Most confident tanks will expect the healer to keep everyone topped off on the move. This minimizes the dreaded Standing Around Doing Nothing time. In fact, a lot of healers will be offended if the tank stops after every fight to regen themselves. What, do you think the healer can't handle it? How insulting! Get a move on, tank.

 

By the same token, most confident healers will encourage the tank to keep the pace going, as they know they can easily keep everyone topped off. Even on the rare occasions when the group does use their regen, such as after a jump from a ledge, I will throw out an aoe hot and some surgical probes to minimize their regen time.

 

Of course this is dependent on the healer having appropriate gear for the content and enough experience to properly manage their energy pool. TBH Athiss is the easiest 55HM flashpoint, and I expect the tank was not in the mood for an extended stay.

 

TL;DR get used to healing on the move, because people expect it and you should be able to handle it.

Athiss HM

Tank charges ahead to every next fight but never heals herself between fights. So just before first boss I say:

 

Me: also, please help me out by healing yourselves between fights

Tank: that is your job as healer

Me: to heal during fights, all i'm asking is that you help out by healing yourself between them

DPS: i always do, heal my force if nothing else

Me: thanks much

DPS: replenish, w/e

Tank left the group.

 

At least she voluntarily ragequit to give herself the lockout.

 

I have to ask, was your character a fresh 55? Or was the tank's gear quite bad? What class of healer are you playing as? Were you healing efficiently?

 

I currently have two of the three healing classes at level 55 and I never ask anyone to stop and heal.

 

Note: I also don't waste resources trying to dps.

Meh.

 

Most confident tanks will expect the healer to keep everyone topped off on the move. This minimizes the dreaded Standing Around Doing Nothing time. In fact, a lot of healers will be offended if the tank stops after every fight to regen themselves. What, do you think the healer can't handle it? How insulting! Get a move on, tank.

Confidence doesn't necessarily equal competence. I've been in groups (as a DPS and a healer) where the tank had next to no mitigation, didn't use cooldowns and/or let the healers and DPS facetank half the mobs. When you find yourself in a situation where most of the group is taking damage, it can become overwhelming. Just when you finish the fight, the tank's happily pouncing on the next group at 30% health. Confident, maybe, but some awareness is required.

 

Having said that, when I tank, I always tell the healer and the DPS to tell if I am pulling too fast. Most of the time people are just fine with chain-pulling.

Confidence doesn't necessarily equal competence. I've been in groups (as a DPS and a healer) where the tank had next to no mitigation, didn't use cooldowns and/or let the healers and DPS facetank half the mobs. When you find yourself in a situation where most of the group is taking damage, it can become overwhelming. Just when you finish the fight, the tank's happily pouncing on the next group at 30% health. Confident, maybe, but some awareness is required.

 

Having said that, when I tank, I always tell the healer and the DPS to tell if I am pulling too fast. Most of the time people are just fine with chain-pulling.

 

This is hardly the place for nit-picking over English, but "confident" is not a synonym for "foolhardy", and that was certainly not how I was using it.

Queued for Esseles on Bastion.

2 Vangards, 2 Guardians. 4 tanks.

 

It went well enough, but still...

 

Essels ? Heh try doing Manaan. 3 healers1 DPS. Never died so many times in a "FP" before.

 

On different toon: Vanguard tank. Lost Island. Before moving from the entry point I ask out in group chat: "Has anyone not done this before?". Silence.

I ask again:"Anyone not done this before?" More silence.

After about a minute or so, with me still standing still near the speeder at the entrance, the first one pipes up. Let's call him DPS1. DPS1 has 14k HP, and a mixture of this and that gear wise. Anyway DPS1 speaks up. "Yeah, have done before". OK, what about the rest?

 

So, I ask a third time. More silence before 16k HP healer confirms doing this before. Never heard from DPS2 but to myself I think I can handle one player not knowing LI. After all, it's been nerfed into oblivion from what it used to be.

 

Before getting to first mini-boss most stuff has been pulled. By someone, somewhere. Every little group.

Get to first mini-boss without any deaths. Whilst I was reloading and healing myself , I began typing into chat to avoid yellow circles on the ground, to kill the little gremlins first, etc.

As I'm writing this I guess someone got impatient. Second DPS, a gunslinger, attacks the boss. DPS2 dies before I can taunt off. Not sure why he dies so fast, but I suspect the healer only threw him minimum heals - rather focusing on myself and DPS1.

 

First boss goes down fast - no-one stands in the yellow circles and adds are taken care of.

 

Loot the mini-boss and heard towards the next group of beasts. DPS2 attacks. DPS2 gets to tank.

I write in chat to please let me run ahead.

 

Second group DPS1 attacks. DPS1 gets to tank. I taunt them away when the only silver goes for the healer.

I write in chat to please let me run ahead.

 

Inside the tunnel now and guess what ? The DPS run ahead and chain pulls two mobs.

 

/facpalm.

 

I explain in gentle, friendly and warm huggy words what I think of the two DPS'es. Make my aploogies to the healer, and exit to go do something meaningful instead. Put another dumb DPS on ignore for whispering me insults afterwards.

Edited October 14, 2014 by Zipacnaa

This is hardly the place for nit-picking over English, but "confident" is not a synonym for "foolhardy", and that was certainly not how I was using it.

That is true, but unwarranted confidence is not uncommon, far as I have seen. Moreover, if the healer asks the tank to slow down, the tank should slow down.

Long time reader, but I haven't posted here before. Last weekend, however, I probably was the weird person for a few people.

 

I was leveling my engineering sniper with the 12x boost, did some pvp and when he hit level 47 went straight to Makeb and did my mission to level 55 with the bolster on. Then I thought it'd be nice to do Forged Alliances on him, so I pick up the mission and queue for assault on Tython.

 

It pops almost immediately. I check the group and I notice there's one weirdo in there with 15k health, which is pushing it even for tactical flashpoints. Then I realise it's me, and I'm still wearing the blue level 42 gear I leveled in, but with the pvp and Makeb bolsters I completely forgot about it.

 

Others are a well-geared 38k tank, and ok geared 26k heal and dps. I don't mention my gear, and neither do they, and we proceed to do a clean run through the flashpoint. After the first pulls I learn to not go all out on the aoe right from the start, but some cooldowns and LoS keeps me alive. I barely scrape 1000 dps, probably just keeping up with the tank, but it didn't cause any real trouble. In the end, we cleared it without a single death.

 

After the flashpoint I grabbed the full set of 180 mods I had already laying around on my alts, and pretty much doubled my cunning and endurance. But it must've been weird for the others to have a 15k dps show up and then not kill himself on every pull. And it was just as unusual to have a group that didn't have a single complaint about my gear.

After the flashpoint I grabbed the full set of 180 mods I had already laying around on my alts, and pretty much doubled my cunning and endurance. But it must've been weird for the others to have a 15k dps show up and then not kill himself on every pull. And it was just as unusual to have a group that didn't have a single complaint about my gear.

I usually prepare my palm so that it is ready to embrace my face when I see someone geared like that. Every now and then it is refreshing to see a player do perfectly well against expectations. A few days ago I had a 26k HP tank in a level 55 HM FP while I was on my Sentinel (a mix of 168/180, low Endurance enhancements, set bonus in place, etc), but I was just a little more careful with my opening aggro and the entire Flashpoint went quite splendidly. At the end I mentioned my initial doubts to the group and the tank shrugged and said he had never tanked a level 55 HM FP before, but he was happy to see such a nice group after being votekicked out of one earlier due to his gear.

 

Sometimes the weirdo suprises you positively and it's a great feeling!

Edited October 14, 2014 by Elusive_Thing

I currently have two of the three healing classes at level 55 and I never ask anyone to stop and heal.

 

Note: I also don't waste resources trying to dps.

 

In my book that means you're not doing your job. The way I see it healers should keep everyone alive while doing maximum DPS, otherwise they just stand there and fiddle their thumbs. Only in NiM operation there are phases in fights where every global is important and you might be unable to DPS, in SM, HM and certainly in all FP's you should practise keeping you dots uptime and such while healing and sustaining resources for high damage spikes.

Edited October 15, 2014 by AAAAzrael

On the subject of tanks refusing to out-of-combat heal because "thats the healers job". Fine, as long as you give the healer time to recharge their resource. The number of times I have been running along with my sorc maintaining 95+% on an aweful sin tank who didn't use any dcd's (not even dark ward) and didn't hold aggro so I facetank/heal dps too. Then chain pulls and, when he inevitably dies as he pulls with me at 17/600 force. Yeah fine, chain pull and don't heal yourself. Also don't complain when the under-resourced healer cant do any healing what-so-ever.

____________________

 

Im the weird 1 in this story. I ran atheiss HM with my newly 55 merc healer. Theres a mara in the group who ninja-loots everything but I overlook it as none of the stuff is aim gear and nobody else is complaining. However he ends up taking an aim earpiece and aim gloves which were both upgrades for me. I ask him not to ninja. He tells me he didn't ninja as he needs them for alts. I point out that is ninjaing and get a "whatever" for my trouble. Carry on from there and complete.

 

I then queue my merc for tfp. afew people decline and I end up getting a group pop with mr "its not ninja looting because I have alts" mara. Right at the start I put vote kick on him and let the group know he ninja's. Kick goes through. We complete the mission.

 

I then jump on my sorc healer, do a 55 HM and a tfp. In the tfp pop the same mara is back. I put vote kick as a ninja and it goes through.

 

I go and do an ops run with my guild on my sniper, then jump on my jugg tank. Queue for 55 HM and get a group pop with mr ninja mara in it. I throw vote kick and let the group know he ninjas. The kick goes through. I finish up the night with a tfp run on my jugg then call it a night.

 

I found it so much more rewarding than putting the mara on ignore. You see if I stick him on ignore then he will just have to wait for 1 more tank to queue. However if I leave him off ignore, he has his 60 minute or so wait, then finally gets a group, gets kicked straight away and reset back to the bottom of the dps queue. Yeah I know its trolling the poor dps, but I have had enough of ninja's now.

 

By the end he was annoyed though, filling my whisper with abuse. I suggested that perhaps he has learnt why he shouldn't ninja

Weird group, but in a different way than usual in this thread. Manaan on my Republic alt whom I barely play (basically for Achievements only, which was also the case here). 2 tanks and 2 healers. All decently geared but far from overgeared (HPs in the 23k - 30k range) and all either unable to respec, or having zero experience with the DPS trees.

 

Don't remember Sairisi. Ortuno did cast Flow at least ten times, and we struggled hard to kill the adds in intervals between two Flows (basically we used all of our "DPS" on the adds, then took like 7-8% of Ortuno's health, and another Flow was there). Extremely long and exhausting. After the fight, it was clear that in the current composition we have no chance to make the 5 minutes limit on Stivastin, so the two of us who could respec - me (healer) and one tank - did so, ending in specializations we never played before. With that and truly heroic effort from all of us, we killed Stivastin when there couldn't be more than ~10 second left on the countdown.