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Emperor's Wrath vs. Darth Nox (spoilers)

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Emperor's Wrath vs. Darth Nox (spoilers)

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Shayddow
04.11.2017 , 09:27 AM | #331
basically you have a replay of Palpatine <Nox> vs Vader <wrath> in which Palpatine would win unless the Wrath can get in close and throw Nox down the power shaft while Nox is trying to lightning storm Vette <Luke> :-)
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adormitul
04.12.2017 , 11:11 PM | #332
Power in the force does not really matter here hey Anakin was the force user with the most potential ever but he still got dismembered by Dooku and later Obi Won and later Galen Marek and later Luke.
You see raw power can be overcomed with skill and while Nox is skilled he is not as skilled as the Wrath who fought even the emperor and won. But lets look at that engagement there where in a small cave not a lot of range for the emperor and easier for the Wrath to close the gap and overwhelm the emperor with his lightsaber prowess.
If there was bigger arena it will have gone to the emperor. So where will the fight between Nox and Wrath will be placed?

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Tannenfels
04.17.2017 , 08:08 AM | #333
Quote: Originally Posted by JackNimbyl View Post
Don't know if this has been asked but...Discuss from a story/canon perspective, so leave in game mechanics out of it. Both have put down Sith Lords and Jedi Masters alike. Who would win in a fight? We have the Emperor's Wrath, most likely a champion of lightsaber combat and superior in physical ability. Not to mention sporting more advanced armor. Or Darth Nox, more knowledgeable and stronger in the force.

Well that's my opinion when it comes to canon.
The Emperor's Wrath is Touched and Blessed by our Supreme Master, the immortal Sith Emperor himself, so that the Wrath can not even possibly defeated. Daring to doubt that you are guilty of heresy, blasphemy and high treason. Please adress the Dromund Kaas authorities so that they can arrange your immediate and painful incineration.
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cool-dude
05.05.2017 , 06:24 PM | #334
We have to assume that Nox and Wrath are masters of all the specializations they have available for their base class.

I think Wrath would win.
In a direct lightsaber duel, Wrath would overwhelm Nox. Nox would need to depend on stealth to stand a chance, but Wrath has force abilities that he can use to cripple Nox's ability to cloak himself. Nox would then have to separate himself from Wrath, and get some range on him. But, Wrath has the ability to camouflage himself using the force for a short time, making him completely undetectable, even to force-users; wrath could use it to close the distance gap. I cant see Nox winning against the wrath, but I don't think the fight would be one-sided. I think the wrath would walk away alive, but severely burned, possibly crippled.

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Celise
05.06.2017 , 12:23 AM | #335
Quote: Originally Posted by Tannenfels View Post
The Emperor's Wrath is Touched and Blessed by our Supreme Master, the immortal Sith Emperor himself, so that the Wrath can not even possibly defeated. Daring to doubt that you are guilty of heresy, blasphemy and high treason. Please adress the Dromund Kaas authorities so that they can arrange your immediate and painful incineration.
your character, our empire's wrath was not touched by the emperor at any point in the storyline, further more our characters had the choice to leave the emperor behind. if our character was linked to the emperor like the rest of his followers in the force, he would be able to exercise control over you at a moments notice of his own desire and feed off you to keep himself alive like hes done with the imperial guard and the nathema zealots.

As far as the empire is concerned the idea of being a treasonous scum bag won't weigh in as much as you think it would, if you look at what happened with the dark council over Baras and Thanaton, they were split over the action taken or even what they thought of the men, but even so both of them committed acts that defied the sith and their traditions.

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J_Craver
05.06.2017 , 03:15 AM | #336
Seems to me that Nox would win. The Wrath is tough and knows their way around a lightsaber, but Nox is fueled by the power of six bound Force ghosts and is shown tossing Thanaton (one of the Empire's most skilled sorcerers) around like a ragdoll in their final showdown. And let us not forget that Nox was no slouch in Force combat even before learning to Force walk: on Dromund Kaas, literally just days out of the Sith Academy, they kill Lord Ogathu in personal combat to get Darth Skotia's Trandoshan tablet without resorting to any arcane rituals or prototype weapons. They just curb stomp a Sith Lord like it ain't no thang. And, of course, if push comes to shove, remember that Nox cannot actually die until their connection with the Force ghosts is severed. It's doubtful that the Wrath knows how to do this or even that it needs to be done, so that's an automatic and very powerful advantage for Nox.

Of course, since Nox is a Dark Council member, the Wrath might have a bit of a challenge getting to them to begin with. Although we never actually seem to meet any of them, presumably Nox has legions of Sith Lords, powerful in their own right, at their command along with armies of troops, and could dispatch them against any would-be foe.

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Celise
05.06.2017 , 10:48 AM | #337
Quote: Originally Posted by J_Craver View Post
And let us not forget that Nox was no slouch in Force combat even before learning to Force walk: on Dromund Kaas, literally just days out of the Sith Academy, they kill Lord Ogathu in personal combat to get Darth Skotia's Trandoshan tablet without resorting to any arcane rituals or prototype weapons. They just curb stomp a Sith Lord like it ain't no thang.
You also shouldn't forget no matter the training at Korriban that teaches kids to become sith, their new masters teach them everything they can about being a sith as an apprentice, so that means all their fighting styles, tehniques and thinking. If Skotia's training is only adequate before becoming a darth, or his abilities were simply at their limits in the force, his apprenctices would only know and learn as much as he would. Just because someone knows how to survive fighting lower skilled sith for years as servant to Skotia, doesn't make them powerful even when they have the title of Lord.

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J_Craver
05.06.2017 , 11:20 AM | #338
Considering that Skotia is considered a beast in combat that Nox can only hope to beat by crippling him before the fight starts, assuming that his combat training is substandard seems like a reach.

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Celise
05.06.2017 , 11:41 AM | #339
Quote: Originally Posted by J_Craver View Post
Considering that Skotia is considered a beast in combat that Nox can only hope to beat by crippling him before the fight starts, assuming that his combat training is substandard seems like a reach.
Yet next to Lord Draag in power Skotia is not even a speck. Thats the difference between Baras's talent scouting and his own training compared to the likes of Skotia. So it may not be substandard teaching, but you can't teach a person to climb up a wall who doesn't know how to climb it themselves.

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J_Craver
05.06.2017 , 11:50 AM | #340
And I'm saying, all we know about Lord Ogathu is that he's a Sith Lord who was assigned by Skotia to guard his hidden bunker and the relics contained inside, and he's an Elite level enemy. You're assuming that Ogathu must be incompetent at combat, or that Skotia was a poor teacher, and that's why Nox beat him. Thing is, though: there's no actual evidence that's so in the game. The only reason to assume that Ogathu is a weakling is that you want him to be because it makes killing him less impressive for an apprentice fresh off Korriban to pull off.