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Basic "how to play DPS" for all classes

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Basic "how to play DPS" for all classes

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NayaruLovegood
06.05.2020 , 10:50 PM | #1
Because SWTOR's community seems to be swamped with DPS players who don't know how to play a DPS I thought I'd write this little "How to". Once you have read this you will be under no mistake about what your role is as a DPS.

1) Do good damage. This means read through your proficincies and utilities and set bonuses and tacticals and then figure out what combination of skills is going to cause the most damage. Just using your favourite damage skills whenever they're available does not mean you are doing good damage. That one awesome skill hitting a big number does not mean you have good DPS.

2) When there's multiple targets you target the small ones first and it doesn't matter if you're single target DPS or AoE - you do this, it is your job to do this.

Why? Several main reasons. I'll explain:

Lots of small enemies do more damage than one big enemy. If you don't kill them then the tank has to kill them and everyone knows that tank damage is not great. The tank should try to aggro these things so they're taking the damage but defeating them is your job. If the tank has to kill the trash around the big enemies (whether it's bosses or gold mobs) then you are not doing your job. The tank can lose aggro on the big important thing because you are not doing your job and are attacking it still instead of the small stuff. The healer can pull aggro when tanks mass taunt ends because you are not doing your job and then the healer dies, and then the tank dies, and then you die. It may be that the tank can keep aggro on everything but maybe the healer can't outheal the damage of everything for long enough and so the tank dies, and then the healer dies, and then you die.

If the small enemies outlive the big enemies this is a sign you are not doing your part in the trinity setup, your tank+healer are sighing behind their monitors. Once the small enemies are all dead you can go back to staring at your perfect rotation making the big numbers happen on the boss.

There are some situations where this is not important, your tank/healer will usually tell you when to ignore adds if this is the case.

3) Don't stand in AoE's (AoE stands for "Area of Effect"). These are usually big red circles (sometimes they are blue or purple or triangular) and you need to move out of them ASAP because they are hurting you or are about to hurt you. Looking at your skillbar and doing a good rotation is completely unimportant if you're dead. Healers can only heal so much, if you're not moving out of AoE's then your healer is having a heart attack healing you and will start to have trouble keeping up with healing the rest of the party. Get out of the big round colourful things! If you can't get out of it because it's stuck to you then take it away from everyone else until it's gone!

4) This is less common but if you steal aggro from the tank the best thing you should do at that point is hold off on your damage. Let the tank get aggro back and build a little threat before you start hammering away again. It is cool knowing you do so much damage you can steal aggro from a boss but it is not helpful for the healer's blood pressure.

In this game I have seen more wipes due to bad DPS players than I have to bad tanks or bad healers.

Please SWTOR community, teach DPS how to play their role. Bad tanks and bad healers are actually really uncommon in group finder. A huge proportion of DPS are awful, though.

Thanks for reading, see you in the fray.

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SteveTheCynic
06.06.2020 , 01:30 AM | #2
You forgot part 3.

3. Don't "stand in stupid". This means that when foes put markers on the floor showing where they are about to land a big attack / charge / whatever, Get. The. (...). Out. Of. The. Way.
Something you find difficult is a lesson on how to play better, not a punishment for playing badly.
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NayaruLovegood
06.06.2020 , 01:55 AM | #3
Thanks for the reminder Steve! I have added that in my own words. Also added a bit more to the first point xD

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ceryxp
06.06.2020 , 05:01 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by NayaruLovegood View Post
2) When there's multiple targets you target the weak ones first and it doesn't matter if you're single target DPS or AoE - you do this, it is your job to do this.

Why? Several main reasons. I'll explain:


If the big enemies outlive the small enemies this is a sign you are not doing your part in the trinity setup, your tank+healer are sighing behind their monitors. Once the small enemies are all dead you can go back to staring at your perfect rotation making the big numbers happen on the boss.
These contradict each other.


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Please SWTOR community, teach DPS how to play their role. Bad tanks and bad healers are actually really uncommon in group finder. A huge proportion of DPS are awful, though.
Not according to the "Weird people you meet in Group Finder" thread. In fact, the very first post in there is about a bad tank.
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LD_Little_Dragon
06.06.2020 , 08:44 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by ceryxp View Post
These contradict each other.
I just figured it was a typo. I know exactly what they mean, even as a healer I end up dps'ing some of the 'weaker' enemies down because it's easier than trying to outheal their damage.

Reminder to dps: weak enemies are not weak because they have low damage output, but because they die easily.

Quote:
Not according to the "Weird people you meet in Group Finder" thread. In fact, the very first post in there is about a bad tank.
A bad player can show up in any role, but the problem is unless a boss enrages it's harder to spot bad dps then bad tanks/heals. That plus some dps are clueless about fights, and will rage at the tank/heals even when something (like a scripted aggro drop) is not the tank/healer's fault. A good dps uses target of target and pops a defensive when needed.

Good dps will both put out the damage and avoid taking too much damage themselves.
Stealthy heals, stealthy dps, stealthy life.

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NayaruLovegood
06.06.2020 , 02:49 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by ceryxp View Post
These contradict each other.




Not according to the "Weird people you meet in Group Finder" thread. In fact, the very first post in there is about a bad tank.
You will need to explain which two bits contradict each other because I'm not sure what you mean. I've changed "weak" to "small" to be clearer if that was what the issue was. I'm not really following though so.. x)

Also the first post in that thread is 7 years old. Things have changed.

Edit: It's now corrected. Sleep deprivation doesn't make for good writing. x)

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KendraP
06.06.2020 , 05:58 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by NayaruLovegood View Post
You will need to explain which two bits contradict each other because I'm not sure what you mean. I've changed "weak" to "small" to be clearer if that was what the issue was. I'm not really following though so.. x)

Also the first post in that thread is 7 years old. Things have changed.
Hes nitpicking here:
Quote: Originally Posted by NayaruLovegood View Post
2) When there's multiple targets you target the small ones first
And
Quote: Originally Posted by NayaruLovegood View Post
If the big enemies outlive the small enemies ...
Per the first quote the big enemies should outlive the small ones, thus the second quote should read:
"If the small enemies outlive the big ones..."

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ceryxp
06.06.2020 , 06:05 PM | #8
First, you tell DPS to target the weak/small enemies first.

Quote: Originally Posted by NayaruLovegood View Post
2) When there's multiple targets you target the small ones first and it doesn't matter if you're single target DPS or AoE - you do this, it is your job to do this.
Then tell them that if the big enemy outlives the small enemies then they're not doing their job right. Even in that second part you contradict yourself.

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If the big enemies outlive the small enemies this is a sign you are not doing your part in the trinity setup, your tank+healer are sighing behind their monitors. Once the small enemies are all dead you can go back to staring at your perfect rotation making the big numbers happen on the boss.
Maybe just a typo but it contradicts itself.


I'm not going to link specific posts, or tell you the post number, as that could be construed as calling out people. Now bear in mind that I have my forum settings to show 40 posts per page, so this is all on the last page of that thread for me. There are 20 posts on that page, 6 of them are about problematic tanks, and 3 of them are about problematic healers. Yes, some of those posts are about the individual's attitude, but there seem to be a lot of posts about people with bad attitudes, and only one of the posts on that page is about a poorly played DPS. Even on the page prior with 40 posts there are plenty of posts about tanks and healers. You want to say that the community is swamped with DPS players who don't know how to DPS, but it really seems like there is an even split across the board of people who just don't know how to play their class and have an attitude if you try to help them. While some will consider bad attitude a separate issue I have found that bad attitude often goes hand-in-hand with poor player skill.
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TmoneyTime
06.06.2020 , 07:21 PM | #9
Ok Let me really explain how to DPS cause OP needs some pointers.

1 Do good damage Hit that Dummy Hit that Dummy a lot get star parse if your not over 23k DPS then keep hitting the dummy until you get there.

2) When there's multiple targets you target the small ones first. Hit them all why just the small one. Hit them all, all the time, hard swap them targets.

3) Do stand in AOE's make sure to keep your healers hps up. They need to pull good numbers too dont be stingy.

4) This is less common but if you steal aggro Keep stealing Aggro force that tank to throw guard on you. Make sure he knows hes in for an aggro battle.

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ohshutup
06.09.2020 , 05:21 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by TmoneyTime View Post
Ok Let me really explain how to DPS cause OP needs some pointers.

1 Do good damage Hit that Dummy Hit that Dummy a lot get star parse if your not over 23k DPS then keep hitting the dummy until you get there.

2) When there's multiple targets you target the small ones first. Hit them all why just the small one. Hit them all, all the time, hard swap them targets.

3) Do stand in AOE's make sure to keep your healers hps up. They need to pull good numbers too dont be stingy.

4) This is less common but if you steal aggro Keep stealing Aggro force that tank to throw guard on you. Make sure he knows hes in for an aggro battle.
Show me your 23k+ 10m dummy parse so we know its not crit outlier and you are not a keyboard warrior.

Good dps is the one that knows when to use rebounders, when to pop dcd's, how to not get damage by able to follow mechanics on time. Only then your dps matters.