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Toraak
07.27.2021 , 12:00 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by TevosisHot View Post
Yes but you see the magic metrics that only bioware has access to say we need another "rebalancing" because the last one that allowed a monkey to play the game and still succeed, and has people on reddit saying this game's leveling process is too easy non stop, wasnt enough.
Because having less abilities to use and instead having to press the same ones over and over will magically make the game more fun or something.
If this is the case, then why do I keep seeing horrible DPS in MM FP's? If it's so easy a monkey can do it, then every human should be able to. Many clearly can't.

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TevosisHot
07.27.2021 , 12:16 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Toraak View Post
If this is the case, then why do I keep seeing horrible DPS in MM FP's? If it's so easy a monkey can do it, then every human should be able to. Many clearly can't.
I did say leveling process didnt I, this game used to have a leveling system that more or less forced you to use your abilities but with the whole bolster and leveling scaling plus op comps that went out of the window.
A lot of the mm woes can be attributed to the whole removal of trinity in fp's and introduction of the kolto stations, who needs to learn mechanics when you can press a button and heal to full.

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Toraak
07.27.2021 , 12:34 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by TevosisHot View Post
I did say leveling process didnt I, this game used to have a leveling system that more or less forced you to use your abilities but with the whole bolster and leveling scaling plus op comps that went out of the window.
A lot of the mm woes can be attributed to the whole removal of trinity in fp's and introduction of the kolto stations, who needs to learn mechanics when you can press a button and heal to full.
even back at launch you didn't need to use most of your abilities while leveling. Yes you used a normal rotation, as well as interuppt on specific abilities, but I never used many abilities back then. Yes leveling has since gotten easier, but that is to push people into max level content faster. To me the ease of leveling doesn't really matter for why the devs need or don't need to prune abilties. (I'm not really for or against it). If it happens I'll adapt, if it doesn't I'm fine with that as well.

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TevosisHot
07.27.2021 , 01:17 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Toraak View Post
even back at launch you didn't need to use most of your abilities while leveling. Yes you used a normal rotation, as well as interuppt on specific abilities, but I never used many abilities back then. Yes leveling has since gotten easier, but that is to push people into max level content faster. To me the ease of leveling doesn't really matter for why the devs need or don't need to prune abilties. (I'm not really for or against it). If it happens I'll adapt, if it doesn't I'm fine with that as well.
I did use most of my abilities while leveling because I did fp's back when a trinity was still required or leveled characters via pvp hell even some heroics where really hard and forced you to use all you had. I still remember how my op was the queen of soloing heroics while those were still hard because she had both droid and human mezz, plus a tank comp and she could heal too, that was a class that taught me how to use all I had to my advantage and rewarded learning abilities, now all you have to do is put comp in heals and go watch netflix.

It does make sense in a certain way because of the abrupt change in pace people find between leveling and end game content, if they even make that jump.
All of a sudden cleanses arent useless or abilities that buff/debuff stuns and mezzes arent either, they are necessary and the process of learning how to use abilities went from meh while leveling to oh **** I caused a wipe on a fp or I didnt avoid a cap in pvp because I didnt know this ability is actually useful for certain content.

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ssupercid
07.27.2021 , 01:29 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Toraak View Post
even back at launch you didn't need to use most of your abilities while leveling. Yes you used a normal rotation, as well as interuppt on specific abilities, but I never used many abilities back then. Yes leveling has since gotten easier, but that is to push people into max level content faster. To me the ease of leveling doesn't really matter for why the devs need or don't need to prune abilties. (I'm not really for or against it). If it happens I'll adapt, if it doesn't I'm fine with that as well.
Well you see if a good player only had to do a standard rotation at launch with that difficulity-set....
Now we have players who only press AOE and Basic Attack 1 while leveling as thats how easy it is. This is fine because most of these types just want to see cutscenes.

However, they then go out to PvP and Endgame PvE group combat and get rekt/kicked from MM Flashpoints.
Classic 2.x Swtor pls

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DjiiniTwo
07.27.2021 , 03:51 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Omega View Post
So, according to you, they keep screwing up the game and making mistakes over the past 10 years, BUT THIS TIME, this time is one step too far and will make you leave.

I don't believe you.
I agree, seems unlikely. Unlike those of us, myself included, who have never seen them implement in this game quite as foolish sounding as THIS change and actually WILL leave.

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TevosisHot
07.27.2021 , 04:19 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by DjiiniTwo View Post
I agree, seems unlikely. Unlike those of us, myself included, who have never seen them implement in this game quite as foolish sounding as THIS change and actually WILL leave.
Also like to point out the lack or arguments these people have that have to resort to the typical "why are you still playing" garbage to even respond to questions. Can't even give feedback or opinions because ofc the contrarians will just dismiss everything and go for the personal retorts.

Think about it like this, why did I, someone that until now has made like 2 posts about cosmetics or past pts comments now all of a sudden made so many posts? I was more or less happy with the game until 5.0 and all it came with it, I kept playing because of the gameplay mostly, but this might be the last thing holding me to this game. Bioware doesnt want players like me anymore? That's fine, I will stop posting cos I wont be subbing or playing anymore. Now if some poster on a forum believes me or cares is of no importance to me.

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TrixxieTriss
07.27.2021 , 09:20 PM | #88
Iím still wondering who all the magical players are that Omega says Bioware are focusing these changes on.

Do they already play the game and if they do, arenít they considered the player base? And arenít these changes just as bad for them?

And if they donít, isnít trying to recruit a whole other player base from scratch stupidly risky considering the game is so old and isnít even getting a new engine update to refresh it like a new game?

The logic behind Omegaís assumptions is so flawed from a business perspective that any sane business manager would laugh you out if their office if you presented such a risky and illogical plan.
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Kass
07.27.2021 , 11:07 PM | #89
Pulls out /whale emjoi...

*(TL;DR - Nobody's addicted to SWTOR, push them hard enough and watch revenue evaporate - Oh and Some Executive at EA clearly just ranked up to Dark Side VI by insisting on this 'change')

...

As an older gamer with wife and several kids... You know if my entertainment becomes hostile to my game play experience, then I just don't pay for that experience. I was heavily invested in World of Warships for years as my PVP (Strategy) entertainment, and then the developer made the game so hostile to my personal entertainment, and I uninstalled and left... haven't been back. I've got better things to do with my time than to fight to have a pleasant experience with your product/service.

In fact I remember vividly, receiving a emailed survey asking why I left - and I thought, oh boy someone misses my wallet - so I took their little survey and blasted them whenever there was a comments section.

At the end of the day, no matter what Bioware EA does this is 'my' metric for deciding to help fund the profitability of SWTOR or not. I'm a Star Wars fan, not a SWTOR fan - I can bide my time if pushed away until another company does a better job in the Star Wars MMOG space.

I won't rage quit, or make hollow threats. I love my characters and I love my experiences to date in this game. But if the game becomes Hostile to my sense of personal entertainment, then my wallet is closed. I have most everything I want after 10 years of playing and can go to Preferred Status and just play story content...

SWTOR micro-transactions aren't nearly as necessary as other games that go out of their way to make F2P extremely painful.

If EA wants to ruin the mechanics I enjoy, then I'll just set SWTOR to the side and go ride my Ducati Monster 1200S - RL still exists,

One last note: This Global Pandemic having happened, this is the WRONG time to be @#$#@'ing with peoples game. Some people are on the verge of getting evicted once the eviction moratorium ends, there are probably people that sooth any mental/emotional distress by playing this game --- and NOW you want to radically alter it?

Some Executive at EA clearly just ranked up to Dark Side VI
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HuntyUK
07.28.2021 , 04:05 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by CrazyOldMystic View Post
If I ever did see a kiss *** thread, pathetic.

If a gaming dev does something right, ill support it. If a gaming dev does something wrong I wont. I will not under any circumstance trying to kiss ***

Its probably mute. The fact that the devs haven't responded probably means there going to to whatever they plan to do, regardless of feedback. What a fracking surprise.
It's quite simple, let them take away what ever they want, just don't be surprised when people leave because they broke the classes they love to play, i hear they are going to make us choose between undying, camo, and mad dash on mara, if this actually happens, i'll just unsub and quit, this is just stupid, how are we supposed to do nim without our dcds?