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Plz Don't Assume My Combat Style...

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Plz Don't Assume My Combat Style...
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gregordunbar
01.23.2022 , 12:48 PM | #251
Quote: Originally Posted by JackieKo View Post
To clear up some confusion we're reading, Force users will be able to change their first Combat Style to its mirror if they meet the Light or Dark-side alignment requirements to do so. That has not changed.
So now that the release is approaching, I am reading more about it and the more I read the more I hate it.

This change, which is being made so players can play the way the want has THESE KINDS OF LIMITS?!? By the time a new character reaches the ability to even do it, their class story is nearly finished. This defeats the whole damn purpose of it. Why the literal hell would someone think up this limitation when CLAIMING its being done to remove the class/story tie in?!? Wow...what is going on with this team? If my class is no longer tied to the story, why should it take as long as it takes to reach Light/Dark 5 to be able to even do it?

THINK ABOUT IT, a dark side Imperial character can use these skills starting at level 1 because they are imperial, and dark side. You are now claiming that class and story are not connected so why cant a Republic light side character also choose to use those same skills at level 1?

/SMH

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Pricia
01.23.2022 , 02:53 PM | #252
Quote: Originally Posted by gregordunbar View Post
So now that the release is approaching, I am reading more about it and the more I read the more I hate it.

This change, which is being made so players can play the way the want has THESE KINDS OF LIMITS?!? By the time a new character reaches the ability to even do it, their class story is nearly finished. This defeats the whole damn purpose of it. Why the literal hell would someone think up this limitation when CLAIMING its being done to remove the class/story tie in?!? Wow...what is going on with this team? If my class is no longer tied to the story, why should it take as long as it takes to reach Light/Dark 5 to be able to even do it?

THINK ABOUT IT, a dark side Imperial character can use these skills starting at level 1 because they are imperial, and dark side. You are now claiming that class and story are not connected so why cant a Republic light side character also choose to use those same skills at level 1?

/SMH
Apparently you can create a Jedi with a Sith combat style, even if it makes no sense to me. Is it what you meant?

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NeoBlakkrstal
01.24.2022 , 08:05 AM | #253
Quote: Originally Posted by gregordunbar View Post
So now that the release is approaching, I am reading more about it and the more I read the more I hate it.

This change, which is being made so players can play the way the want has THESE KINDS OF LIMITS?!? By the time a new character reaches the ability to even do it, their class story is nearly finished. This defeats the whole damn purpose of it. Why the literal hell would someone think up this limitation when CLAIMING its being done to remove the class/story tie in?!? Wow...what is going on with this team? If my class is no longer tied to the story, why should it take as long as it takes to reach Light/Dark 5 to be able to even do it?

THINK ABOUT IT, a dark side Imperial character can use these skills starting at level 1 because they are imperial, and dark side. You are now claiming that class and story are not connected so why cant a Republic light side character also choose to use those same skills at level 1?

/SMH
If you have reached dark and light v on any toon in your legacy you will be able to do this at toon creation.
"I am the darkness in which all life dies." - Darth Nihilus

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gregordunbar
01.24.2022 , 08:54 AM | #254
Quote: Originally Posted by NeoBlakkrstal View Post
If you have reached dark and light v on any toon in your legacy you will be able to do this at toon creation.
Which means what to a new player coming into the game only knowing a SWTOR where they are told classes are no longer tied to story and they can play a dark side Jedi? They are going to view this as a massive negative, the kind that makes people quit. They will not be able to partake of this change to the core of the game.

This was clearly not thought through, this is also going to appear to be as a paywall as well since the second style is locked behind a subscription. No, no I do not want to hear "they have to make money somehow". The game has made a profit for 10 years (a lot off me, ive been here since beta) without attempting to create a combat system that benefits only subscribers. That is a fundamental change to the base game and walks the fine line between pay-to-win and not.

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AdjeYo
01.24.2022 , 09:13 AM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by gregordunbar View Post
Which means what to a new player coming into the game only knowing a SWTOR where they are told classes are no longer tied to story and they can play a dark side Jedi? They are going to view this as a massive negative, the kind that makes people quit. They will not be able to partake of this change to the core of the game.
They will be able to switch upon reaching dark V with their character as they don't have the legacy chievos yet. (That's what that switching is for) It makes more sense story wise as well. You start off as a jedi and as you fall to the dark side eventually you are able to use more sithy abilities. But obviously not from the start when you are still a padawan on tython.
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This was clearly not thought through, this is also going to appear to be as a paywall as well since the second style is locked behind a subscription. No, no I do not want to hear "they have to make money somehow". The game has made a profit for 10 years (a lot off me, ive been here since beta) without attempting to create a combat system that benefits only subscribers. That is a fundamental change to the base game and walks the fine line between pay-to-win and not.
It's not even close to pay-to-win as this change does not affect your ability in combat one iota. Changing your combat style is effectively the same as relogging to an alt with that combat style. Especially since gear is bound on legacy and can thus be transferred over to said alt as well. It just saves on the need to have as many alts if you want to play all classes.