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Dear Story Team, What Year Are We Currently In?

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Dear Story Team, What Year Are We Currently In?
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Ylliarus
05.18.2020 , 05:45 PM | #1
It's a question many players have been asking themselves and in particular roleplayers have been trying to figure out what year the latest story content takes place in. All we have so far are approximations upon approximations without much clarity regarding the issue. It's creating confusion in the roleplaying community and beyond.

So, dear story team, could you please tell us what the current in-universe year is? Did Onslaught take place in 24 ATC (After the Treaty of Coruscant)? Did The Task at Hand take place in 25 ATC if the latter question is a 'yes'? In what in-universe year will the next story update take place?

Having asked that, a timeline of when which expansion takes place wouldn't hurt at all either. By this I also mean story updates such as Iokath, Nathema or Ossus. Knowing those dates simply creates some form of clarity in regard to lore. It would also simply be nice to know how fast/much our characters are aging.

Perhaps future story updates or expansions could include the in-universe year they take place in, either when launched and the story title shows up or written in the mission description. It wouldn't be too much effort, I presume, while creating clarity as to the timeline.
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Setokai
05.18.2020 , 07:11 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
It's a question many players have been asking themselves and in particular roleplayers have been trying to figure out what year the latest story content takes place in. All we have so far are approximations upon approximations without much clarity regarding the issue. It's creating confusion in the roleplaying community and beyond.

So, dear story team, could you please tell us what the current in-universe year is? Did Onslaught take place in 24 ATC (After the Treaty of Coruscant)? Did The Task at Hand take place in 25 ATC if the latter question is a 'yes'? In what in-universe year will the next story update take place?

Having asked that, a timeline of when which expansion takes place wouldn't hurt at all either. By this I also mean story updates such as Iokath, Nathema or Ossus. Knowing those dates simply creates some form of clarity in regard to lore. It would also simply be nice to know how fast/much our characters are aging.

Perhaps future story updates or expansions could include the in-universe year they take place in, either when launched and the story title shows up or written in the mission description. It wouldn't be too much effort, I presume, while creating clarity as to the timeline.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/3630_BBY
here's the best info i can find currently on the overall timeline
http://www.swtor.com/r/xlcFwx
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Goreshaga
05.18.2020 , 07:30 PM | #3
I don't remember where but i've read that after Ilum and save for the 5 years in carbonite the timeline was supposed to follow the rl timeline of the game updates.

If that's the case, then that'd give something like this :
Spoiler


I don't know if this is actually accurate, but i decided to follow that when writting, as it gives me a better idea of the passing of time, but an actual, official timeline would be great.
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Ylliarus
05.19.2020 , 02:25 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Setokai View Post
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/3630_BBY
here's the best info i can find currently on the overall timeline
The information on Wookieepedia is of course one of the best approximations out there, but that there is already the problem. It's an approximation based on conjecture.

It would be so much easier if the story team simply slapped a date on their story updates and it doesn't seem that much effort to do. A simple post detailing in which in-universe year each major story update takes place shouldn't be that hard to put here, nor to keep it updated. Or, the in-universe year could simply be added into mission descriptions or when the story update flashes in on the screen when we start it. For example, when you launch Inflection Point, the title "Jedi Under Siege" fades in on the bottom right. There's more than enough room beneath it to add "23 ATC" or "24 ATC". It would be one of the easiest ways for the team to add in the in-universe year.
The One, True Lord Ryssius
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Ylliarus
05.19.2020 , 02:35 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Goreshaga View Post
I don't remember where but i've read that after Ilum and save for the 5 years in carbonite the timeline was supposed to follow the rl timeline of the game updates.

If that's the case, then that'd give something like this :
Spoiler


I don't know if this is actually accurate, but i decided to follow that when writting, as it gives me a better idea of the passing of time, but an actual, official timeline would be great.
What you say about ingame time following real life release was indeed true for the content between the release of Ilum and Chapter 1 of KotFE. However, Charles Boyd explicitly said "between Ilum release and chapter 1 of KotFE". Whether it holds true for the content after chapter 1 of KotFE isn't mentioned and probably doubtful, as we have seen in the story that the flow of time doesn't align with release dates IRL.

Your timeline doesn't look too bad, albeit I don't think we have moved beyond 25 ATC yet. Based on the approximations we get, Onslaught is supposed to take place in 24 ATC, which is also what Wookieepedia states about the Missions to Onderon and Mek-Sha. It is possible The Task at Hand takes place in 25 ATC, but that remains highly unconfirmed and I think that story update is to take place relatively shortly after Onslaught. I think it's likely The Task at Hand still occurs in 24 ATC.

Yet this just shows how much easier it would be if we could get an official answer from the story team. Players wouldn't have to base themselves on approximations then, but would just have a clear answer on the question what in-universe year the story they play takes place in.
The One, True Lord Ryssius
Playing SWTOR since November 2012
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Goreshaga
05.19.2020 , 03:08 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
What you say about ingame time following real life release was indeed true for the content between the release of Ilum and Chapter 1 of KotFE. However, Charles Boyd explicitly said "between Ilum release and chapter 1 of KotFE". Whether it holds true for the content after chapter 1 of KotFE isn't mentioned and probably doubtful, as we have seen in the story that the flow of time doesn't align with release dates IRL.

Your timeline doesn't look too bad, albeit I don't think we have moved beyond 25 ATC yet. Based on the approximations we get, Onslaught is supposed to take place in 24 ATC, which is also what Wookieepedia states about the Missions to Onderon and Mek-Sha. It is possible The Task at Hand takes place in 25 ATC, but that remains highly unconfirmed and I think that story update is to take place relatively shortly after Onslaught. I think it's likely The Task at Hand still occurs in 24 ATC.

Yet this just shows how much easier it would be if we could get an official answer from the story team. Players wouldn't have to base themselves on approximations then, but would just have a clear answer on the question what in-universe year the story they play takes place in.
Yep, honnestly i have no idea what is the most accurate timeline, i went with following the RL one, even after KOTFE 1, simply to have an idea of the time passing between each story segment.
For instance, having 6 months between Copero and Nathema doesn't seems too odd to me, as there clearly is a time gap between the 2 in game. And 9 months total from Umbara to Nathema seems correct too as the dialogue clearly indicates that Theron has been missing for a pretty long time when he comes back.

But i fully agree with you that having an official indication of that would be much better.
Putting the year bellow the title on the loading screen where there's the little summary of what happens would be the ideal place for that imo.
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There's nothing like geting too much Theron

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Ylliarus
05.19.2020 , 03:37 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Goreshaga View Post
Yep, honnestly i have no idea what is the most accurate timeline, i went with following the RL one, even after KOTFE 1, simply to have an idea of the time passing between each story segment.
For instance, having 6 months between Copero and Nathema doesn't seems too odd to me, as there clearly is a time gap between the 2 in game. And 9 months total from Umbara to Nathema seems correct too as the dialogue clearly indicates that Theron has been missing for a pretty long time when he comes back.
I don't disagree with you of course, what you wrote makes perfect sense. Yet even if it makes sense, it's still an approximation. A good approximation, but it still leaves room for uncertainty. But your assessment is definitely sound!

Quote: Originally Posted by Goreshaga View Post
Putting the year bellow the title on the loading screen where there's the little summary of what happens would be the ideal place for that imo.
If they would want to go really low-effort with this, heck, the story team could just include the in-universe year in the post-mission messages that we get. Just an additional line at the top that says "23 ATC", "24 ATC" or "25 ATC" etc etc. That's the way to include the current in-universe year with the least amount of effort, but I think it really wouldn't be too much to ask to include it in the mission description or below the story title somewhere.
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JediQuaker
05.19.2020 , 07:08 AM | #8
In the original SW trilogy, they never mentioned a 'year', and SWTOR is only mentioned as being approximately X years earlier.
Also, consider a few minor points:
- there is no stated galaxy wide dating method mentioned in Star Wars, unlike say, the "star date" in Star Trek, or CE (Common Era) in our calendar.
- a 'year' is the time it takes Terra (Earth) to orbit it's sun. In the SW galaxy, there is no Terra, and therefore, no 'year'. The "5 years" you spend in carbonite, could be practically any length of real time. 🤔
- and/or, in the SW galaxy, if there's no galaxy-wide standard, different planets could have various year lengths, or even totally different ways of keeping track of time.

From an RP perspective, perhaps the best 'workaround' would be to RP your own dates based upon some arbitrary event. Even if it turns out to not be the 'official' date, it can still be used within your group. (Much as the Jewish calendar, or Muslim calendar, etc, is used within certain communities, along with CE.)
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Ylliarus
05.19.2020 , 07:32 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by JediQuaker View Post
In the original SW trilogy, they never mentioned a 'year', and SWTOR is only mentioned as being approximately X years earlier.
Also, consider a few minor points:
- there is no stated galaxy wide dating method mentioned in Star Wars, unlike say, the "star date" in Star Trek, or CE (Common Era) in our calendar.
- a 'year' is the time it takes Terra (Earth) to orbit it's sun. In the SW galaxy, there is no Terra, and therefore, no 'year'. The "5 years" you spend in carbonite, could be practically any length of real time. 🤔
- and/or, in the SW galaxy, if there's no galaxy-wide standard, different planets could have various year lengths, or even totally different ways of keeping track of time.

From an RP perspective, perhaps the best 'workaround' would be to RP your own dates based upon some arbitrary event. Even if it turns out to not be the 'official' date, it can still be used within your group. (Much as the Jewish calendar, or Muslim calendar, etc, is used within certain communities, along with CE.)
Sadly, your post is wrought with errors and wrong information.

1. There actually is, there are several calendar methods that have been used throughout lore. You have the following ones used throughout Legends continuity:
- Before/After Tho Yor Arrival
- Before/After Treaty of Coruscant
- Before/After Ruusan Reformation
- Before/After Great ReSynchronization

The most known dating system is BBY and ABY, meaning Before the Battle of Yavin and After the Battle of Yavin. All of these dating systems are literally used in-universe and in the lore.

2. There are years in Star Wars, please check your facts before you start posting. A year in Star Wars is called "Galactic Standard Year" and this is how it is described to work:
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"A standard year, also known more simply as a year or formally as Galactic Standard Year, was a measurement of time on the Galactic Standard Calendar, consisting of 368 standard days, with twelve months of at least 30 days each." - Wookieepedia page on "Standard year"
3. There are standardized calendar systems as I have described above. Also, the page on "Galactic Standard Calendar" stipulates that standardized dating system and year measuring methods have been used throughout the eras of Star Wars. They vary from era to era in their name and counting. For example, the calendar that's being used in SWTOR's era is BTC and ATC, meaning Before the Treaty of Coruscant and After the Treaty of Coruscant. This method of time measurement is being used both ingame as well as on this site in the About section. The use of the BTC and ATC calendar is even mentioned in the page I linked to at the start of this paragraph:

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"One particularly notable epoch is the Treaty of Coruscant of 3653 BBY. The calendar eras before and after this event (referred to as "BTC" and "ATC," respectively) were popularized by the famous Jedi historian Gnost-Dural. His holographic records, which used this numbering system, contained some of the most complete records of numerous important events such as the Hundred-Year Darkness, the Great Hyperspace War, the Great Sith War, the Mandalorian Wars, the Jedi Civil War, and the Great Galactic Waragainst the returned Sith Empire. For this reason, this method of numbering years remains important to historians." - Wookieepedia page on "Galactic Standard Calendar"
Now, let me ask you what you were thinking when you came to post here? Because, I truly wonder what your intent was. You write a post wherein literally everything you have said is wrong, blatantly wrong, as the in-universe lore clearly disproved what you say. What was your goal by sharing so much false information in here?
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JediQuaker
05.19.2020 , 08:28 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
Now, let me ask you what you were thinking when you came to post here? Because, I truly wonder what your intent was. You write a post wherein literally everything you have said is wrong, blatantly wrong, as the in-universe lore clearly disproved what you say. What was your goal by sharing so much false information in here?
I'm sorry. I tend to exist in the real world, and in the real world, I recognize that a Galaxy long, long ago and far, far away is a phantasy world. And I'm sorry if basic facts upset your 'immersion', but... oh well. 🙄
If you want to go by various made-up "years" or events that you get from fan sites, go for it. But as I stated, in the original trilogy, and the books I've read, no dates were ever given.
But obviously, from the very premise of the OP's post, no one actually knows what the 'real' date is in a fantasy universe. Shocking, I know.

The bottom line is that my 'purpose' was to propose that RP'ers, UNTIL SUCH TIME that an "OFFICIAL" date can be universally agreed upon, should pick a convenient date that fits with their own RP'ing. 🤔
That is, until someone makes up a date for you, make up your own date. Make the date as true to the lore as you can, or want.
I mean really -relax, get a grip. 😂
Hold water, a sieve may not, but hold another sieve, it will - Yoda..