Dev Post JackieKo Posted September 15, 2021 Dev Post Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) With game scaling now available, we would like to compile feedback based off of your experience with the Combat Styles currently available. Please answer the following questions: How does this experience compare to live? Do you feel too strong or too weak? Please explain why. Do you notice anything off with your stats? Please keep in mind the following: Game scaling is available only for planets, daily areas, story mode Flashpoints, and chapters.Game scaling is NOT available for old operations (Ops outside of 7.0), or Veteran and Master modes in Flashpoints When providing feedback, please let us know what Combat Style you've chosen, and describe your experience in as much detail as possible to help us understand your thought process and line of thinking. Thank you! Edited March 2, 2022 by JackieKo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_carton Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Where can I find a post from BW detailing the scaling changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_carton Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 I copied a level 75, geared up Sorcerer to PTS. Got the character to level 80, bought the 328 gear. 1. I went to Korriban. My character was level 80 and the K'lor'slugs were level 1. Results were predictable. 2. I went to Belsavis. My character was level 80 and the Primal Destroyer got destroyed in 15 seconds; I didn't even have a companion on. 3. Went to Onderon. My character was level 80 and the mobs were level 75. No excitement to be had there either. I'm not sure what scaling is happening. So, I'll refrain from providing feedback at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casirabit Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Last time I was on, the scaling didn't seem to be working on the PTS especially in the planet or daily areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char_Ell Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 What does "game scaling" mean? Is this the system where a level 75 character (or level 80 as the case may be) is down leveled to the max level allowed by the map area? For example the level 75 character travels to Ilum and its stats reduced to level 50. Or is this something else altogether? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameYOL Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 I can't seem to get the scaling to work, tried out on multiple planets but I was still level 80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeridanShear Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Can confirm. Game scaling is not working anywhere EXCEPT in story Flashpoints. I tested daily areas, most planets, Story chapters and it's not working. However, Story Boarding Party and Foundry both game scaled me down to 32ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyAdmiral Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Tried Korriban on a Level 80 with no gear, smashes stuff into the ground in one hit. Tried Corellia with no gear on level 80, went to heroic area, don't think I was scaled down there earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elssha Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Oricon scaling didn't work either, was 80, didn't need more than 2 hits in tank spec (was trying to test the DV bounce Q_Q). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeciliaW Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Scaling does not seem to be working in vet mode flashpoints either. Haven't tried a story of MM flashpoint yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImNotASWFanboy Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Similar to everyone else's comments, only place where I could get scaling to work was in story mode flashpoints. I would say from my initial experiences of 3 runs last night that I felt powerful even when scaled down to the appropriate level, but it's a little harder to gauge because the enemies in some of those flashpoints are weaker or less dense than in the veteran / master mode versions. I imagine it will feel broadly the same to how level scaling currently feels on live at level 75. Were there things that you tweaked in this iteration like damage multipliers or anything? I don't have much of a frame of reference currently, from memory I was able to steamroll through story mode flashpoints previously anyway. Maybe I feel slightly more powerful now but that could also be a result of the new passives giving additional burst. I still managed to die once, so I suppose that's a good sign that you can't completely switch off and not pay attention to your health in these modes at level 80. Requires more testing and/or a fix for planets to scale accordingly, but I'm not put off by my initial experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elssha Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Could you please make a few FP vet/master scaled? That way we can actually gauge vs live. Hammer Station (everyone's done it)Lost Island or Battle of RishiUmbara or Copero or NathemaEnclave, Vengence or Meridian SM really isn't a good place to check. Also, at least a couple planets; Corusant/DKTattoine Alderaan or QueshCorelliaOricon or CZ-198Yavin 4Mek-Sha or Onderon This would give us a better cross-section from early to late game, while making it faster than you scaling everything. Beyond that, does this mean you're going to make phased bosses more representative of original difficulty? Many are a sad joke ATM and it'd be nice if the phased areas 'fixed' that into a more meaningful experience (+/- difficulty options). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Post JackieKo Posted September 16, 2021 Author Dev Post Share Posted September 16, 2021 Hi all, Appreciate the feedback here. I've passed it along to the team, so they can review and investigate what's going on with game scaling. Jackie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthjantom Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Hi all, Appreciate the feedback here. I've passed it along to the team, so they can review and investigate what's going on with game scaling. Jackie No scaling on Voss either, (with a character copied from live then upped to 80 at droid on fleet). Here is a video of me killing Nightmare Pilgrim Voss world boss solo on PTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoOnasi Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 I found the 328 gear vendor, found the appropriate gear for my spec and equipped it. But there's a slight problem. Because I cant swap around mods etc... the stats are nothing like what i would be using on the live server. So it's really hard to comment on the scalling. Also because i didnt copy a character and dont have access to a ship my mobility is limited. It might be an idea to grant access to the class ship upon using the droid on the fleet to level up so that we are able to travel and play the game how we would normally so we can have a better basis for an accurate comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurby Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 I was doing the corellia daily 2+ heroics the wookie one and the Gold wookies were getting one shotted with Maul from stealth so then I just used sabre strike and they went down with 2 hits with a lvl 50 Nico helping as heals. I have to admit it was kind of fun at 1st but... maybe a little too powerful I don't think I heard Niko say "Look at me... Helping!" once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekyam_Drakon Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 With game scaling now available, we would like to compile feedback based off of your experience with the Combat Styles currently available. > It was so awesome! My squishy lightning sorcerer managed to kill "The First" without losing a singhe hp; "Snowblind" losing 12%hp; "Lucky" losing 60%! With no comps or tacticals... It was fun getting revenge on those wbs by myself; which reminds me, I gotta go get "Trapjaw" for the time I naively clicked a blue thing in the desert not knowing what would happen. I don't think this is as intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Stroganoff_ Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I have not tested anything on the PTS but I just have a question: (From a PVE perspective) What's the point of increasing max level to 80 & gear to whatever its going to be when 99% of endgame content scales your stats/level down to level 70 anyway? Makes gearing, leveling, etc. almost completely and utterly pointless. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE cut this level scaling out of endgame content. Let us enjoy and use the gear & stats we work hard to get in more than just 1 or 2 ops/flashpoints. I understand level scaling on planets, but this should not happen in Ops / MM flashpoints / etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanconi Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Similar to other comments for planet scaling EG not working (solo'd Nightmare Pligrim for funizes). Did a story mode Red Reaper FP scaling seems ok for the most part but with the god bot lvl and a lvl 50 healer companion it was about the same as the live servers, except for boss fights. Bosses died within seconds 3-4 GCDs or so to my lvl 80 concentration sent w/ 328 gear felt like it was related to auto crit abilities (raging burst) as going off the floating damage numbers they would have been enough to 1 shot my character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameYOL Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Having tested it on a few heroics I can say that lower level planets seem to be fine, I might need to pop up a DCD here and there for later planets. As far as SM FPs, they still feel pretty easy got through Nathema conspiracy without any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elofyn Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I know that operations is besides the point of the original question but i can't help myself. Me and my buddies have been scratching our heads with the fate of capped and uncapped operations for a while since there has been silence regarding that (you know, because open world content and flashpoints are just like children's games compared to operations and scaled or unscaled, it makes no difference to the experience [unless they make it really hard... which they won't]). Thus, enter the speculation! If you go to an operation, there's no downscaling at all. At first I thought that maybe, hopefully, they scale everything to lvl 80 so we can use the same gear everywhere. But then in this new build also tertiary stats are scaled/capped on planets. Maybe this indicates that they plan to apply stat templates to older operations and make gear completely irrelevant in operations? I would like this option over the current system on live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayvaan Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Scaling now working on Korriban. Regular content (as has been for quite a while) is easy. (Haven't done end quest yet) Heroics (done without companion) seemed a touch more challenging, but just a touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) We definitely need some hard mode / veteran and mastermode flash points, uprisings, chapters added to see how it works away from simple story / planetary smashing. Edited October 14, 2021 by TrixxieTriss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyAdmiral Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 We tried to do Toborro’s Courtyard story mode on the PTS and it was a horrible, horrible mistake. We boosted our characters to level 80, got level 80 item-rating 318 gear, got two free legendary earpieces, went in with a tank 5 DPS and 2 healers and got our butts handed to us. The boss had 27 million health vs the current in-game TC which only has about 8 million. Even with using the Isotopes constantly and using all the defensives I had we barely got to 80% after our third try. We aren’t sure if the Game Scaling is bad, if Toborro itself is bad, or if we were supposed to go get more gear through Flashpoints or something similar first before going into Operations. It was pretty miserable lol. We also tried Umbara Flashpoint with a similar kind of group on Veteran Mode (random through Groupfinder) and it was REALLY hard. Like.. doable, but out patient team quit after the first boss. Corellia Black Hole enemies seemed fine. I tried to attack Trapjaw alone and he 1-hit me as a tank (LOL). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elofyn Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 I think its good to start by stating that since there has not been an official post about flashpoints and operations, I assume they might not have tuned those at all, just set them to 80. That being said: I did master Hammer Station with 319 gear with no augments. Bosses died quite slowly and tank took a lot of damage but overall it was fine. The loot was blue 320 items which was an upgrade over what we were wearing so that worked out too. I've heard that operation scaling is little whack and sm bosses enrage with nim players handling them. That is probably not as it should be, I would assume that doing HM in 320 gear would lead to that result. I have not tried Vet FPs but since Master FPs felt pretty solid scaling, I assume Vet FPs are fine too. although, lack of healer and inaccesibility to combat resses might cause some inconvenience. If the intention is that Vet FP can be completed regardless of the group comp (no tanks or healers), that might be difficult with 320 gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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