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ebinhovdloca
07.13.2021 , 05:54 PM | #141
Quote: Originally Posted by nkarapinha View Post
I don't get why you say this, when we don't even know what we are going to get.

And I know they have done some weird stuff over the years and I was not playing during that time, maybe that's why I'm more open to this changes.
But the same thing happened in the 6.0 PTS with the loot, did you not like what they did? Even Destiny 2 Has the same system.

I'm not saying to sugar coat what you think is wrong, just be constructive and objective.
A simple "I don't think a can live without skill X when playing on Discipline Y because of motive Z1,Z2,Z3."

Also there are people that are working on the game that are going to read all of this pages and feel bad about something they are working and we didn't even see it completely yet...
it doesnt matter if they dont go ahead with this, which i doubt they wont this has been in the works for a long time, its amazing that the devs wasted time and resources into this system and do ability pruning, which no active player wanted

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nkarapinha
07.13.2021 , 06:07 PM | #142
Quote: Originally Posted by ebinhovdloca View Post
it doesnt matter if they dont go ahead with this, which i doubt they wont this has been in the works for a long time, its amazing that the devs wasted time and resources into this system and do ability pruning, which no active player wanted
We both know its not just ability pruning.
But you are right, and you did a good explanation, I personally will wait for next phase to see how this goes.
And hey if on the next PTS skill/optional skills still suck I will be sharing my opinion here...

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ebinhovdloca
07.13.2021 , 07:44 PM | #143
Quote: Originally Posted by nkarapinha View Post
We both know its not just ability pruning.
But you are right, and you did a good explanation, I personally will wait for next phase to see how this goes.
And hey if on the next PTS skill/optional skills still suck I will be sharing my opinion here...
comparing Live to PTS i lost over 10 abilities while gaining some passives, how is that not ability pruning?

the "choice" we are given is beetween abilities when it should be beetween passives

~Level 20 - Choose one passive (applies to Focused Burst)
[A] Zenith - Increases critical chance after using Focused Burst
[B] Focusing Strike - Focused Burst deals 15% more damage.
Unstable Focus - Focused Burst now hits in AoE.

this for example is good, making us choose beetween abilities instead of passives is bad

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Marqhill
07.13.2021 , 08:23 PM | #144
Quote: Originally Posted by JackieKo View Post
Hello everyone, PTS is now live. Please read all the stickied threads for all of the info surrounding this phase of PTS.

Thank you!
Hello, will we be getting a detailed explanation of Vigilance and Defense the same as Focus? I see the names of the new passives and utilities but I don't really have an idea of what they do.

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nkarapinha
07.14.2021 , 03:35 AM | #145
Quote: Originally Posted by ebinhovdloca View Post
comparing Live to PTS i lost over 10 abilities while gaining some passives, how is that not ability pruning?

the "choice" we are given is beetween abilities when it should be beetween passives

~Level 20 - Choose one passive (applies to Focused Burst)
[A] Zenith - Increases critical chance after using Focused Burst
[B] Focusing Strike - Focused Burst deals 15% more damage.
Unstable Focus - Focused Burst now hits in AoE.

this for example is good, making us choose beetween abilities instead of passives is bad
Did I say its not ability pruning?
I just said they were not just doing that, they probably did a lot of work on other things.

I also think that's a good example...

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DiamondNemke
07.14.2021 , 07:05 AM | #146
Quote: Originally Posted by nkarapinha View Post
Hi all,
So i tested the guardian for the Defense paths only (A and B).
So my feedback is for defense only, I always play as Immortal warrior so it feels like home.
I did notice that some skills where missing, but i did not felt it so bad as explained here from most players.

Blade Blitz missing for me its meh. I use it only for mobility, so as a tank only guy (pvp/pve) I see this skill just for fleeing or when jet-pack is on cooldown.
Force Kick I use it a lot, but we also have force push and hilt bash that could also be used for interrupts.
Resolute on the other hand i don't really know how am I going to break from stuns and all. But i am assume some extra skills/passive will resolve this.
Dispatch also is missing, but if I have any other attack skill to add to the rotation i'm happy.
Looking forward to the next phase...

I think the initial post has some errors, Jackie can you please check the initial post?
For ex:
Through Peace - Reduces Enure’s Cooldown.

But on defense A:
Saber Reflect is present not Enure, but Through Peace is.
Something is not making sense here, that is because Through Peace does not reduce Enure's it reduces Focused Defense cooldown. (at least in the PTS in-game)

I think the communication needs to be a bit better, this also happened in the 6.0 PTS.
SWTOR players got a lot of weird stuff over the year so I do understand the fear and some of the anger.
So please try to put this more clear, specially on things like skills or gear...

I personally think we are still on an alpha not in the last week of a beta test. ("This is super high level and not a deep dive")
We all love this game, I think we should try to help them out not scold them. (them = swtor team)
Making videos about how you fell angry about this changes doesn't help with the process.
Maybe trying to explain why something doesn't feel right will be more helpful.

We all know where anger leads us...
The sweet dark-side we should use in-game, not on real life.
Blade Blitz is one of the most useful DCDs in the game lol. This whole update is garbage, forcing us to choose between 3 of the most important guardian DCDs is pointless. We need all of them for certain encounters.

Also, blade blitz is one of the most iconic abilities for guardian. You can't simply remove saber throw and blade blitz and expect people not to complain.

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nkarapinha
07.14.2021 , 07:42 AM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondNemke View Post
Blade Blitz is one of the most useful DCDs in the game lol. This whole update is garbage, forcing us to choose between 3 of the most important guardian DCDs is pointless. We need all of them for certain encounters.

Also, blade blitz is one of the most iconic abilities for guardian. You can't simply remove saber throw and blade blitz and expect people not to complain.
Someone became productive.
Hope you also read the rest of the posts...

What disciple do you normally play as in guardian/warrior?

My experience in guardian/warrior is only on tank (immortal), so maybe that is why I don't fell more hurt about not having Blade Blitz/Mad Dash.

For me its a situational thing in PVE.
I'm not just going to move the around just for 100% defense change when i have other DCDs I can manage.
Unless I don't have any other option or its a very specific situation that I can use it to save the other DCDs. (someone pointed out examples of this already here)
On PVP I do use it a lot, but we do have a lot of DCDs so not seeing a problem here.
Assuming the balancing will make the others DCDs stronger (less CD and/or more effective).

Saber throw on the other hand makes managing focus a lot harder, but is manageable.
And I do fell a lack of combat skills but this is not an update, this is the first phase of PTS.

We don't know what we are going to get yet, and things can still change.

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Sandwichboy
07.14.2021 , 10:00 AM | #148
Quote: Originally Posted by nkarapinha View Post
Someone became productive.
Hope you also read the rest of the posts...

What disciple do you normally play as in guardian/warrior?

My experience in guardian/warrior is only on tank (immortal), so maybe that is why I don't fell more hurt about not having Blade Blitz/Mad Dash.

For me its a situational thing in PVE.
I'm not just going to move the around just for 100% defense change when i have other DCDs I can manage.
Unless I don't have any other option or its a very specific situation that I can use it to save the other DCDs. (someone pointed out examples of this already here)
On PVP I do use it a lot, but we do have a lot of DCDs so not seeing a problem here.
Assuming the balancing will make the others DCDs stronger (less CD and/or more effective).

Saber throw on the other hand makes managing focus a lot harder, but is manageable.
And I do fell a lack of combat skills but this is not an update, this is the first phase of PTS.

We don't know what we are going to get yet, and things can still change.
Blade blitz is a 100% avoidance DCD. Any Guardian/Jugg tank that does NiM content makes very extensive use of it as exactly that: a defensive cooldown that completely negates damage. Hell, the most useful setup for tanking Terror From Beyond is the dashing blademaster as it gives you more uses of one of your two ways of surviving slams (and enraged slams in particular) while basically all the other defensive armour sets don't do squat to help you stay alive. Unless the cooldown on saber reflect becomes something hilariously short (which would be a spectacularly bad idea)
this kind of has a huge negative impact on guardian tanks doing any NiM content and even some HM content.

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LeoAugustina
07.14.2021 , 10:07 AM | #149
I'm casual and I'm using BladeBlitz even in open world to avoid some damage or run for my life when big pulls.
Operative from 2011

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JackieKo
07.14.2021 , 03:25 PM | #150 Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread. Next  
Quote: Originally Posted by Marqhill View Post
Hello, will we be getting a detailed explanation of Vigilance and Defense the same as Focus? I see the names of the new passives and utilities but I don't really have an idea of what they do.
Hi Marqhill,

I've updated the original post with descriptions, so there's a little more clarity. I hope this is helpful for you and other players who had the same question/concern.
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