I'd rather pay for a full expansion than have this.

That's good for you, but won't help the game if the population cannot compete with the top MMOs anymore and the majority of players are either F2P or dont shell out 30 bucks for a big expansion and continue to pay for a sub.

 

The way this game is set up now EA only guns for trickle money and to keep the license and brand with minimum effort. They basically gave up on a big market share. That's why we only have a skeleton crew left working on this game. I think we all missed the last chance when KOTFE and KOTET took a lot of money and manpower but did not generate any monetary profit nor traction with the player base.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Phazonfreak

This game has been drip feed for years now unfortunately, and it makes me very sad.

 

Whether it was a monthly KOTFE chapter with zero new MMO content, or releasing a new Operation one boss at a time over the course of years, it just doesn't seem like the Devs have nearly enough resources.

 

Now we have Onslaught which came out in October but only included the first part of the story. Its now Feb and all we've gotten is a tiny update containing 10 minutes of dialogue. On the MMO side we got a single Op, Dxun, and a horrible downscale system for older Operations that is plagued with so many issues it was clearly thrown together as a bare bones minimum viable product and then abandoned. Not to mention the gearing system which completely eliminates any reward system that PVP and PVE might have had.

 

Even Shadow of Revan, which was a rocky xpac to say the least and considered extremely poor when it came to endgame content launched with two full Operations at release. When an expansion makes SoR look good by comparison there is a big problem.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Terro_Fett

agreed so many other mmo's bring out meaty expansions and content patches yearly and quarterly, ESO, WOW. I mean i'll pay full price and then some for a full-blown expansion to at least help cover your development cost, i'm sure many others would too. This subscription honestly isn't worth it, and you really only pay to make things go faster or have things unlocked but eso does it better with there b2p.. I honestly wouldn't feel so bad if I was paying monthly and getting new content and updates more often but right now it looks like i'm paying to keep servers running. Oh well, nothing is gonna change if it hasn't changed in almost a decade. I'll just keep coming back when I have that itch to scratch.

The way this game is set up now EA only guns for trickle money and to keep the license and brand with minimum effort. They basically gave up on a big market share. That's why we only have a skeleton crew left working on this game. I think we all missed the last chance when KOTFE and KOTET took a lot of money and manpower but did not generate any monetary profit nor traction with the player base.

I wish you negative Nellies would stop pulling stuff out of your butts.

You really have no idea what BW is doing. (And neither do I. )

I wish you negative Nellies would stop pulling stuff out of your butts.

You really have no idea what BW is doing. (And neither do I. )

 

Which still did not prevent you from posting your thoughts here on the forum, and you certainly wrote some pretty scathing stuff over the years.

 

How about you let me offer my personal thoughts on what might be going on with the game and within EA/BioWare and I let you do the same negative Nellie stuff without calling the kettle black?

 

By the way, there are open revenue books from EA for all to see that KOTFE/KOTET was not a success considering the great investment put into it and remarks by community managers about how they think on and off subscriptions are acceptable for their business model now. Also, I was actually not one of the many on this forum who slammed those expansions entirely since I actually liked the chapter driven story arch. Does not help me or BioWare if the majority of players don't agree.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Phazonfreak

agreed so many other mmo's bring out meaty expansions and content patches yearly and quarterly, ESO, WOW. I mean i'll pay full price and then some for a full-blown expansion to at least help cover your development cost, i'm sure many others would too. This subscription honestly isn't worth it, and you really only pay to make things go faster or have things unlocked but eso does it better with there b2p.. I honestly wouldn't feel so bad if I was paying monthly and getting new content and updates more often but right now it looks like i'm paying to keep servers running. Oh well, nothing is gonna change if it hasn't changed in almost a decade. I'll just keep coming back when I have that itch to scratch.

 

Wow... wait a second there. WOW releases an expansion every 2 years and patches are 6 months apart in the first year and then you got a long draught until the next xpac. and its declining cause it's so boring.

 

We get it. It would be great to have bigger expansions. Don't have to be dramatic about it. Despite all content other mmo's might have this game is still here cause it's good in the gameplay department. Classes, gearing systems, account/legacy wide systems are really fun here. You don't know the horrible infinite grinds and gambling fests that are around.

 

People fail to see whats good in a game until it's gone. Reminds me of WoW:WoD when everyone complained about no content, not valuing the core of the game and content they had was fun. Now WoW has content but has no core fun gameplay. That's how the cookie crumbles. You don't understand that's better to not have much content but have fun than having lots of content you don't want to do cause you're bored.

 

If content was all that mattered i would still be playing wow or ff. I dont have to choose either. I could play these and swtor at the same time. But, i don't. Cause they are really boring and not worth my time, much less money. Time is actually more important to me than money. These subs are not exactly expensive. I need to be having fun with the time i'm spending. Amount of content does not directly correlate to it. Though support is important and should not be ignored. Just putting priorities you give for granted in perspective.

 

PS: i was unfair to ffxiv. It is much better than what wow is atm and doesnt deserve to be in the same bag. But it still has issues. It's a game of highs and lows. Has great moments but it's very slow paced.

Edited February 18, 2020 by Nemmar

Decided to pull my sub. Maybe I'll come back in another year or two to play another hour or two of new content.... or, maybe not. Edited February 18, 2020 by Sinadu

I'd rather pay for a full expansion than have this.

 

Best thing is that the story is essentially the same rep side as it is imp side. - and once you've done both you can spacebar through in about a minute and a half.

 

Alderaan SH is pretty but wasn't really necessary.

 

we waited ~3 and a half months for this. - and for them to fix a load of bugs they introduced at the same time.

 

They spend a good proportion of last year messing with the gearing system, which while not perfect was at least okay before. Now the new one is okay but not perfect.

 

One wonders where all those sub dollars go.

Certainly not spent on exciting stuff to do. Only way for that to happen is if make your own entertainment.

Edited February 18, 2020 by Storm-Cutter

This game has been drip feed for years now unfortunately, and it makes me very sad.

 

Whether it was a monthly KOTFE chapter with zero new MMO content, or releasing a new Operation one boss at a time over the course of years, it just doesn't seem like the Devs have nearly enough resources.

 

Now we have Onslaught which came out in October but only included the first part of the story. Its now Feb and all we've gotten is a tiny update containing 10 minutes of dialogue. On the MMO side we got a single Op, Dxun, and a horrible downscale system for older Operations that is plagued with so many issues it was clearly thrown together as a bare bones minimum viable product and then abandoned. Not to mention the gearing system which completely eliminates any reward system that PVP and PVE might have had.

 

Even Shadow of Revan, which was a rocky xpac to say the least and considered extremely poor when it came to endgame content launched with two full Operations at release. When an expansion makes SoR look good by comparison there is a big problem.

 

I thought SoR was quite good actually. And we will be getting more content but sporadically. Ill take this than nothing at all.

Best thing is that the story is essentially the same rep side as it is imp side. - and once you've done both you can spacebar through in about a minute and a half.

 

Alderaan SH is pretty but wasn't really necessary.

 

we waited ~3 and a half months for this. - and for them to fix a load of bugs they introduced at the same time.

 

They spend a good proportion of last year messing with the gearing system, which while not perfect was at least okay before. Now the new one is okay but not perfect.

 

One wonders where all those sub dollars go.

Certainly not spent on exciting stuff to do. Only way for that to happen is if make your own entertainment.

 

Wow, nice job lying. The story presentation is very different faction wise.

The new gearing system is much more fun than the boring, mundane samey system from last year.

Decided to pull my sub. Maybe I'll come back in another year or two to play another hour or two of new content.... or, maybe not.

 

Bye Bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out

You really have no idea what BW is doing. (And neither do I. )

 

And worse of all, neither do they.

Looks like they have given up. Came back after 4 years mostly because I wanted to finish the Fallen Empire story and was kinda amazed how little there has been done in that last 4 years.

Onslaught was short as hell with tiny planets and apparently only half the story, looks like Fallen Empire was last decent story arc they did.

I suspect the same people trying to bury SWTOR have been proclaiming WOW demise for years. Wrong on both counts.

 

I don't understand the obsession with OPs or PVP. Two least interesting parts of the game (any game).

I suspect the same people trying to bury SWTOR have been proclaiming WOW demise for years. Wrong on both counts.

 

I don't understand the obsession with OPs or PVP. Two least interesting parts of the game (any game).

 

While it's true that many don't find that part of the game fun or interesting (me included) the simple fact is that no MMO will do that well without them.

 

That would be like having a really fast sports car … and leave off the lug nuts .

I suspect the same people trying to bury SWTOR have been proclaiming WOW demise for years. Wrong on both counts.

 

I don't understand the obsession with OPs or PVP. Two least interesting parts of the game (any game).

 

Gotta say i disagree with that second statement. Those are important areas of enjoyment.

On that note, i would've agreed with the first statement, but things have really been taking a turn for the worse on WoW and Blizzard itself. So many dead servers you wouldnt believe. They are doing nothing about it as well. The game itself is terrible and the devs are still arrogant, so i don't say it's dead cause it isn't, but its certainly far detached from the glory days.

If mmopop is to be believed ffxiv already overtook it on active players.

Edited February 19, 2020 by Nemmar

I hope the future adds Jawa, Ewoks and Ugnaught (blue elephant things..) races, every mmo deserves its tiny races

I suspect the same people trying to bury SWTOR have been proclaiming WOW demise for years. Wrong on both counts.

 

I don't understand the obsession with OPs or PVP. Two least interesting parts of the game (any game).

 

Says you. ^

 

I know it's hard understanding people actually can like things you may not like. It's true, though.

 

P.S. WOW is dead, and SWTOR is dying.

I hope the future adds Jawa, Ewoks and Ugnaught (blue elephant things..) races, every mmo deserves its tiny races

 

That would be funny as hell! I do believe we would be completely over-run by Jawa's though.

That would be funny as hell! I do believe we would be completely over-run by Jawa's though.

 

Nothing wrong with a favorite race. Gnomes have a diehard fan base! That doesn't stop the greatest game ever created from having gnomes available to the player! (Everquest I speak of, of course.)

All those Jawa players would want to romance Blizz, even if they're not bounty hunters.

 

And a MMO without OPs or PVP would be perfectly fine.

Edited February 20, 2020 by RameiArashi

I hope the future adds Jawa, Ewoks and Ugnaught (blue elephant things..) races, every mmo deserves its tiny races

 

Or Bothans. We had those in SWG and they looked good overall for such a dated game.

While it's true that many don't find that part of the game fun or interesting (me included) the simple fact is that no MMO will do that well without them.

 

That would be like having a really fast sports car … and leave off the lug nuts .

While I agree that most MMOs have some aspect of OPs and PvP, I'd have to agree with the other guy's lack of understanding why people get so "centered" over them.

To me, traditionally, an RPG is intended to be about exploration, character development, questing, etc. OPs or Raids should be something you can get into once your character is established and PvP should be something to do as a "mini-game" now and then**.

But, as we all know, some people think of SWTOR as only being OPs or PvP. Those people want insta-gear so they can just PvP. Frankly, I don't know why they don't just play some FPS like Battlefront.

I mean, it would sort of be like subbing to SWTOR just so that you can play pretend casino (or Pazaak) at the Nightlife event, without ever actually playing SWTOR.

Instead of having a fast sports car, it's more like having a min-van and wanting to race it. 😅

 

** Of course, who knows what BW's outlook on it is. They naturally want to keep the PvP'ers subbing, but they have cater to the PvE'ers as well.

All those Jawa players would want to romance Blizz, even if they're not bounty hunters.

 

And a MMO without OPs or PVP would be perfectly fine.

 

So what people always want. BW doesn't have a problem not satisfying every niche group of player.

 

Also, a MMO without a storymode would be fine. A MMO without PVE would be fine. A MMO with just PVP would be fine. Seems to me a MMO can be fine with or without any features we can think to plug in or out.