Let's Discuss Ranked PvP Ideas...

What is wrong with playing ranked there? Are you implying players with high rating there are wintraders by default?
Can you please stop with your Illuminati and Mafia nonsense? We're playing an MMO here, obviously people are connected in different ways and talk about whatever they want in the way they want. Like everyone IRL. Now we have an official place to discuss Ranked PvP ideas with developers (hopefully) reading here in the forums. But I can definitely see reasons why players who could say a lot about this topic are not participating. And I apologize for possible name calling in advance:
1. Being tired of people like you, that will always and at every point this comes up, automatically accuse all "top 3 ppl" for wintrading, botting, queue abusing or being part of your "Ranked Mafia". Not only do you really seem to think everybody would do that, but you also spread this opinion all over the forums. And you wonder why people don't like to discuss with you?
2. Being tired of people that don't argue with facts. Exaggerating and simply making things up just to have something to complain about and find someone to blame, which is usually BioWare. Granted, this is a pretty human thing to do in the internet, but it doesn't support objective discussions in any way. Sad part is, some of the most active people on the forums really enjoy doing that (hint: female).
3. Not having faith in the agenda. With the experience of years of nothing happening or BW not listening (ask snave) and even then: all you can do is to write a post that is only in line with previously mentioned people, so that even if they listen they might get a wrong picture and make wrong decisions.

But in the end, I would agree with you. It's like voting. Every vote, every post counts, so everyone that cares about the topic should participate at this discussion if he/she likes it or not.

Playing on a server, which has low population or is otherwise oriented (specifically TH) is debateable. Sure, you can get top 3 playing there but is that the same top 3 a person gets playing on DM? or SF? I tried playing on TH and Leviatan, no pops. So I am sorry, but I really have to wonder here.

The Illuminati and Mafia stuff was not even started by me. There are others who claim the same. Why do you think this thread appeared in the first place?? Cause of cheating in ranked. What do cheaters aim for? Its surely not siler and bronze tiers. So you can logicaly deduce who the cheaters are.

I do not care if people are tired of me, if people dont like me, if they dont want to discuss with me. Go ahead there is the ignore function. I am trying to contribute to the discussion. I made a post with suggestions, vut then people start offending me so I have to write back. Thats all. Yeah ok, sometimes I have to comment when people write nonsence.

I do not blame Bioware. I know their limits. I am here just asking for changes which could be in their power.

Can you please provide proof for "low population" and explain what you mean with "otherwise oriented (specifically TH)"? Also what is possibly debatable about playing on an official server?

The vast majority of top spots are held due to rating manipulation of some kind. The people involved usually admit it, and are proud of it, like Mero is. Some of them think that they're "proving a point." Some of them, like Szopen has said, think that they deserve top 3 just because they're "good" players. All of these people are behaving totally unethically, and it's shameful. They are further enabled by a lot of other players that don't seem to care about wintrading taking place in their midst, as long as it's only "good" players benefiting from it. It is a real, persistent problem, and the only people that deny it's taking place are those who are either completely ignorant or complicit.

Whatever.

My experience with germans is that they are very specific people. I was surprised back when I played on TH. There were 2 instances on fleet each with over 100 people and absolutely nothing popped! I was qued as healer for Master, Veteran FPS, Ops, GSF all at the same time.....nothing for about 40 min from 7 pm. Sure was in the past, now its more active due to Conquest and people do those things for conquest weekly.

But in genera the players there seem to be doing some personal stuff, maybe organized RP, raids etc, but I never noticed ranked going on there.

Ok Mr. Facts, here is the statistic from Season 10 where you can see number of pages on Leaderboards per server:

SF 98
SS 66
TH 34
Lev 14
DM 134

The if you are Top 3 and you have been playing on TH then you have faced 4 times less players then on DM and 3 times less than on SF. So this is meant by "low population". Sure its a biased figure, but it still proves Meros point.

MAJORITY means over 50% in my words. And you even say VAST MAJORITY. What season are we talking about here? And which mode, Solo or Team Ranked? In S10 TR I only know 2 players that got away. In S10 SR it's definitely more, and it's a shame how many it is, but I want to see proof for that >50%, because that is just not happening and once again an exaggeration.
Oh I know players like this too. Annoying little kids that look at leaderboards and say: "I should be at his place" like 5 times per hour. But you know what? I know one that tried in S10 and didn't get it. Because he didn't wintrade. Others do, but not everyone.
It's sad that we got this far, but once again this is supported by stating and spreading the opinion about how little Elo means and how "the vast majority" of players are wintraders. Again, this is not true and continueing to spread this opinion does not help to get back into the other direction.
A lot of people care about wintrading. But a lot of them gave up the hope of wintraders getting banned, because it was not happening in too many cases. So the common sense became: "well they don't get banned, but I still want to play ranked so what can I do." But from my experience people do care.

TLDR: Tbh, I think we agree in most parts of the discussion. But I don't like that shady taste that people bring into it once someone talks about Ranked PvP. That picture of the toxic, wintrading, throwing and openly admitting because he "deserves it" 24/7 queueing no-life kid might apply for a hand full of people, and yes they probably have Top 3 titles from whatever seasons, but it does not apply for the "majority" of Ranked players, not even for the "majority" of Top 3 title owners.

Thank you for pointing that out! @Mike what about rating per server? I mean how is this competetive when some guys can swap over to Leviatan and farm weaker players or even friends. There will be no one in que but them!

Thank you! So what does it mean? A top 3 title earned on TH is worth less than a top 3 title earned on SF which is worth less than a top 3 title earned on DM because it's value grows with competition. I think everybody would agree on this.

Now what Mero is applying is that top 3 titles earned on DM or SF are honest IF not manipulated, while titles on other servers are manipulated by default just because of lower population. And that is plain dumb.