http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZUyspRrCbc&feature=youtu.be

 

I think the video points that out. Maybe it's her female soft dark voice or the way she leaves herself a total mystery but I am interested in her as romance-able.

 

I understand she's a machine but EDI/JOKER did it in Mass Effect 3..

I use her a lot, she makes a much better tank than Kaliyo, but romancable...?! That's creepy. This isn't the first thread I've seen asking for Scorpio to be romanceable so you're not alone, but it's just weird. Like asking if you can romance a blow up doll that has advanced AI.

Like asking if you can romance a blow up doll that has advanced AI.

We are all meat puppets with advanced AI. How is that different?

 

I mean that with absolute sincerity. There is very little difference between a sentient robot and a sentient human. (You might say that the human doesn't need to be plugged in at night, but the robot doesn't need a toilet either. Robots need replacement gaskets; humans have joint problems...)

 

If your argument is that robots don't have souls, who are you to say that SCORPIO doesn't have one (or won't gain one through self-improvement)? (Edit: I'm bringing up the soul thing because it's something that folks bring up often when posed this question in real life.)

Edited June 2, 2012 by Khalhazar

(Edit: I'm bringing up the soul thing because it's something that folks bring up often when posed this question in real life.)

 

Define a soul.

 

At the topic though, it would have been interesting to be able to romance SCORPIO. I imagine it would have been more on an intellectual level and a mutual appreciation of skill, rather than their being any physical attraction (at least, I imagine SCORPIO wouldn't be attracted to a squishy meat-bag). She's sentient, self-aware, fully capable of making informed decisions... well, I really don't want to get into an argument over the definition of what it is to be human and how that extends to non-human humanoid species and non-organics (if SCORPIO wasn't a construct, but a member of a silicon based species which evolved independently, similar to how carbon based life evolved, would there be a problem?) as that's a really murky, involved area and I haven't done the required reading

Edited June 2, 2012 by Tatile

Define a soul.

Yeah. The trouble is that the people who bring up this question really mean "some vague entity that resides only in humans (or at least in life like us) and is connected to self-awareness in some way". Their definition begs the question.

 

I imagine it would have been more on an intellectual level and a mutual appreciation of skill, rather than their being any physical attraction (at least, I imagine SCORPIO wouldn't be attracted to a squishy meat-bag).

Yeah, I just don't know. She did flirt with me when she was in the holonet, was it sincere or a cunning plan to lower my guard? Maybe we'll never know! I never did get a solid definition of what she'd consider "improvement". Is appreciation for attraction and pleasure improvement? That's up to her to decide.

I don't think a romance option is that unlikely should the current storylines be expanded at some point.

 

 

 

 

In fact, at the end of the story,

 

A SCORPIO romance would be especially interesting it how it blossomed, given the restraining codes. Under what circumstances could we safely remove them, or would we only be able to romance her with the codes in place (which would be somewhat disturbing, ala Vette's collar.)

I think any romance with SCORPIO should be respecting her choices as a sentient being, and thus be without the restraining codes. You then have the problem there of having an incredibly powerful being who can do anything with little to no ramifications (aforementioned psycho girlfriend) - I could imagine that she might get irrationally jealous and cause no end of trouble. Not a situation in which you'd want to have a love triangle.

 

Any romance with SCORPIO, therefore, would probably be best approached after she's learnt the meaning of self-restraint. Obviously we can't leave her alone with Kaliyo for this

Okay, I give. Whatever you guys say. I don't want to get into the whole 'what is a soul' argument because you guys have way more time than I do to argue the point.

 

I still say it's creepy. SCORPIO is creepy, she sounds like a female HAL from space odyssey. Even if her psyche was in human form, I'd still find her creepy. Her voice is creepy. Her face is creepy. Everything about her except the awesome way she tanks is creepy. There is nothing sexy or attractive about her, and even her intellect is creepy.

 

Maybe I haven't gone far enough into her story since my IA is level 47 and her affection is somewhere around the 2k mark (maybe more... forgot), but still.... argue all you want. She's creepy.

We are all meat puppets with advanced AI. How is that different?

 

I mean that with absolute sincerity. There is very little difference between a sentient robot and a sentient human. (You might say that the human doesn't need to be plugged in at night, but the robot doesn't need a toilet either. Robots need replacement gaskets; humans have joint problems...)

 

If your argument is that robots don't have souls, who are you to say that SCORPIO doesn't have one (or won't gain one through self-improvement)? (Edit: I'm bringing up the soul thing because it's something that folks bring up often when posed this question in real life.)

 

You don't have a significant other in your life? A warm body waking up next to you in the morning? Kids? Wife/husband?

 

There is something to be said for intellectual attraction, but the heading to this was "Anyone else think Scorpio is Hot". Hot in what way? Sexually attractive? Intellectually attractive? As a female, I've never found myself attracted to a man in only one way. They go hand in hand, at least for me. I've dated guys who were sexually attractive, but those realtionships never lasted long because to find someone 'hot' they need to have more than one aspect of what makes a person "hot". . And I need more than intellectual smarts. It's a package. But then again, this is from a female point of view.

 

Scorpio is not hot in my definition of what is 'hot'.

You don't have a significant other in your life? A warm body waking up next to you in the morning? Kids? Wife/husband?

 

There is something to be said for intellectual attraction, but the heading to this was "Anyone else think Scorpio is Hot". Hot in what way? Sexually attractive? Intellectually attractive? As a female, I've never found myself attracted to a man in only one way. They go hand in hand, at least for me. I've dated guys who were sexually attractive, but those realtionships never lasted long because to find someone 'hot' they need to have more than one aspect of what makes a person "hot". . And I need more than intellectual smarts. It's a package. But then again, this is from a female point of view.

 

Scorpio is not hot in my definition of what is 'hot'.

 

I think that's the same with most men, actually.

 

I find this type of relationship interesting because it is all hypothetical, it's a game. I'm not pursuing a life-long connection here. Of course I wouldn't date a robot in real life (especially not one that looks like, well, a robot). But in a game, this sort of thing is fun, dynamic and interesting, and if I didn't like Kaliyo so much I would certainly try it out. (and there you have another example: in reality I would never ever get involved with a girl like her, but in this game she's been my favourite romance companion so far)

You don't have a significant other in your life?

I play SWTOR with my wife.

 

Scorpio is not hot in my definition of what is 'hot'.

And that's perfectly reasonable! But your original post implied that she was beneath your notice, being non-organic. This "others" her. Would you romance Garrus in ME? Many would say no, because they would lack physical attraction, but it's unlikely that they would also say "That'd be like romancing my brother's pet lizard." Calling her a blow-up doll is not only dismissive to her, but to the people who are interested in romancing her.

 

Please forgive the meta-feminist rant, but AI rights is one of my pet peeves.

Scorpio is not hot in my definition of what is 'hot'.

 

SCORPIO's casing follow the basis of what defines a female body as being attractive (from a purely biological standpoint): defined curves with larger hips and a smaller waist, an expression of fertility and ability to carry a child to term, with assumed less likelihood of dying during childbirth. This innate attraction to curves and soft edges has been very much used and abused in product design as it is something deemed 'good' and 'attractive'.

 

Objectively, SCORPIO has an attractive casing. Individual opinions are, however, subjective. Her casing is designed to draw in and focus the gaze, I would go so far as to say it has been made with the express purpose of disarming the opponent.

 

As you can probably guess, I have a lot of time to think about stuff in the abstract.

But then again, this is from a female point of view.

When you do that it just diminishes your argument by making it a gender thing. It's not, it's an individual preference thing.

 

While there sometimes I may find a person's physical packaging super hot, that is generally just a sexual attraction, and not something that leads into relationships beyond a physical thing, unless they as a person are also attractive to me. For attraction to someone in relationship terms it is the person and not their packaging that matters. While nice packaging helps, it's not necessarily essential. I can't recall having rejected someone that I found to be hot in the kind of way that would lead me into a relationship just because I wasn't attracted to their packaging. It's a lot less important than who the person is, I mean.

 

I don't think SCORPIO does it for me, although I find her to be interesting, certainly. She is no less a 'real' person than any of the other companions, though, robot or not - so it's not really any more of a stretch for someone to be attracted to her than to, say, Corso or Kaliyo or whomever.

When you do that it just diminishes your argument by making it a gender thing. It's not, it's an individual preference thing.

 

The genders actually do have distinct quantifiers and systems for attraction.

The genders actually do have distinct quantifiers and systems for attraction.

 

While I don't have time to watch the full video, I did watch the first 5 minutes (and skipped ahead a bit) and it seems to be about broad standards for *physical* attraction. There's a lot more going on than that.

 

Additionally: he seems to be making rather broad generalizations. The statement that "men" aren't interested in erotic stories about female vampires for instance, or that "women" aren't interested in (censored term for all-too-common pornographic ending) is false. The questions is whether those of us who disagree are "weirdos" and outliers, I suppose. He may address that in the rest of his talk. (Wait: did he just say "the reason women read romance novels is because there are stories of men revealing their tender side, the emotional side of strong dominant..."? Wow.)

 

(I really hope that the mods don't crack down on this thread, because it has the potential to become rather educational and interesting.)

The genders actually do have distinct quantifiers and systems for attraction.

Of course they do, in a general sense, whether through wiring or socialization. I just don't think it is relevant here - it's not really what I was getting at. My point was more that when someone adds something like 'speaking as a woman' or 'from a woman's perspective' to their opinion they are often making the implication (intentional or not) that they are speaking for other women too, and unless the discussion is distinctly about something gender-related bringing that kind of baggage to the conversation doesn't help anyone. There are two main reasons why I feel this way. First, it doesn't really help the speaker make her point, because people tend to be slightly more dismissive of women's opinions (not that they should be), and thus by bringing that into a conversation where it isn't relevant the speaker's opinions are more likely to be discounted. And secondly, while some things may play out in certain ways statistically across large groups (women vs. men for example) individual people are much more complicated than that, and whether one is a woman or a man is not much more than a very vague (and often wrong) predictor of their leanings on a subject, so again, not relevant unless the discussion is related to that group distinction. (Also, I neither need nor want someone else's opinion that has nothing to do with mine to be automatically associated with me just because we share a gender, and that that happens is another side effect of using phrases like this.)

 

(Apologies if this sounds extra b****y, I just woke up and am having some trouble judging my tone.)

She's hot enough http://www.imdb.com/media/rm593795840/nm0000679

My character, which is female, does not find SCORPIO "hot" in any sense of the word.

Me, as a human being playing a video game and being male, find SCORPIO interesting, but not "hot".

 

SCORPIO is modeled to be attractive and sexy, in a way, but as a robot who spends much of her time claiming how she intends on killing you once she improves to a suitable point just kinda kills that whole romantic feeling. I can understand why some people may be attracted to a machine that may exhibit intelligence, but it just doesn't work for me.

I figure she's helping me become a better Dread Pirate Roberts: "Good night Agent, sleep well, will most likely kill you in the morning."

We are all meat puppets with advanced AI. How is that different?

 

because a meat puppet can reproduce whereas a blown up doll with advanced AI can not. that is the difference.

but its also not considered the normal way to go about having a sexual relationship either because you can program that AI the way you like and have a fantasy woman like Theran has that holographic girl holiday, then its considered creepy. it maybe a game, but the idea is based in the real world by someone on their computer.

because a meat puppet can reproduce whereas a blown up doll with advanced AI can not. that is the difference.

but its also not considered the normal way to go about having a sexual relationship either because you can program that AI the way you like and have a fantasy woman like Theran has that holographic girl holiday, then its considered creepy. it maybe a game, but the idea is based in the real world by someone on their computer.

 

Hold on here... you're telling me that I can only love my wife and have a relationship with her because she can reproduce? I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that argument at all. Having an emotional connection to some "thing" is natural although in some cases creepy. I don't "love" my 2008 Bullitt like I "love" my wife and it would be creepy if I did, but telling someone they cannot be able to love like that with a robot or intelligent blow-up doll just because it cannot reproduce is wrong. This is why I can understand why there are people out there who may find SCORPIO sexy (I personally don't).

because a meat puppet can reproduce whereas a blown up doll with advanced AI can not. that is the difference.

 

So the only valid relationships are ones where there's biological offspring?

you can program that AI the way you like and have a fantasy woman

The idea of "reprogramming" a sentient AI is, in a word, repugnant to me. That would be abuse of the worst kind. Do you really believe that behavior would be acceptable? It certainly would make actual romance impossible.

 

Put another way, we will probably eventually be able to do the equivalent of reprogramming our brains. The fact that the technology exists won't make it OK to use it to manufacture a fantasy woman. Repugnant!

Edited June 4, 2012 by Khalhazar

because a meat puppet can reproduce whereas a blown up doll with advanced AI can not. that is the difference.

Did you seriously just imply that anyone who is sterile doesn't deserve a loving relationship?

 

edit: I know that that was not exactly what you said, but that is the logical conclusion to your line of reasoning there, and honestly, it's repugnant. Please think about what you say and how it may hurt people.

Edited June 4, 2012 by Celacia