Imagine having to put time, skill, and effort into accomplishing things....

Question to the 8v8 ranked master race overlords? Would there be a solo queue or only able to queue as a group? One thing I really like about solos, and I like this in any game with a competitive mode, is the convenience to fire up my computer and play at any time. I don't want to have to rely on 7 other people to be on to play ranked. If there is a solo queue, how often do you think it pops? solos on SF pop from 4pm-2am give or take on a night. With 2-3 games going at a time. So there is enough to potentially make one game maybe two if your lucky. Now think about trying to balance this 8v8 from a competitive standpoint. How many healers on a team and how many tanks? Now I have to sit in queue longer because there are only tanks in queue and no healers. Also, try to split the teams evenly using their ELO. I also believe it would be a very toxic environment. Now instead of potentially getting one bot on your team you will more than likely have 3-4 resulting in lopsided games, and at least in 4v4 solos its over quick. I'd be stuck in a Novare game for 15 minutes before I could get out. Even with a Group Ranked 8v8 system the good teams would farm the bad teams and it would die due to lack of population/participation. Look at any E-sport or game with a competitive mode, there are none that exist that exceeds 5v5 and for good reason. Look at WoW, they have the AWC which is 3v3 arena's not 10v10 rated Battlegrounds. That say's enough in itself.

If anyone is still having issues (as I am). I called customer service again today as this is the fourth day in a row without my account being moved from preferred to sub. I guess it's something they cannot just fix i.e. push my account through since I have paid. They are investigating the problem and said it should be resolved shortly but really did not provide any further details other than that I will get my full paid time subscription so any days that I have been in preferred I will get back. I understand games have problems, but I don't plan on unsubscribing from SWTOR anytime soon and if I have a reoccurring sub I wont really ever get those days back unless they track until I do decide to unsub and add them in there. I would prefer like a discount for this month or something along those lines instead.

Same thing is happening to me right now. Called customer service yesterday morning and my account has still not been restored to subscriber mode. Just sent an email . Hoping I can have my sub back by tonight so I can do subscriber related activities.

Good posts, I think this accurately sums up how most ranked players feel. I think most of the problem is population based. Especially when you throw healers and tanks into the mix. Right now matchmaking takes the highest elo player and the lowest and pairs them. When I feel the Q should do its best to separate higher elo players and stick them in to a match....but in low pop times with only 1 game going it is impossible.

I'm central time and ranked usually pops from 5 PM until midnight or later depending on the day with multiple games going. I have also seen a lot of new players in Q.

I agree 4v4 dps is so much different from tank/heal. I play a decep sin and it is not very good in tank/heal games and really good in 4 dps, therefore I have more fun in that comp. However, with coms and the ability to talk about a strategy, tank/heal games could be a lot of fun. It's definitely played differently, and I personally don't enjoy playing rounds til acid and then the team with the most pressure wins, but still requires skill, just different kind.

Like I said it has its problems, but if the cheaters get caught then those who truly are skillful enough to grind out a top 3 should be given that much more credit and it makes it that much more meaningful. Everyone seems to know who got their rating legit and who traded for theirs anyways.

How does it detract from it? and what does that have to do with the meta? I'm not arguing that there are problems with the mode, but it is the most meaningful mode because it is the only mode that measures skill. I don't care how broken you think it is. The best players play it, the best players consistently place high. It's just like any other game with a solo ranked mode, you have teammates, sometimes they suck, sometimes they play a bad class/champion, sometimes your team's comp is less favorable than the others. In the end if you are good enough the games even out.

Sure, you can argue that grouping is better than solo, but that doesn't detract from the meaningfulness of solo ranked. If players really felt that strongly that group ranked was so much more meaningful, that Q would be alive and well. I don't enjoy tank heal games very much either. Though I bet with voice coms it would be better.

Population or not, ranked content in any game is the most meaningful pvp mode. Anyone who thinks they are good at any game attempts the ranked mode. You going to tell me that people who play league think that being in challenger isn't meaningful? Thats a solo game mode with 4 other variables on your team every game. You going to say that 2v2 or 3v3 in WoW isn't meaningful? Until they find a way to revive group ranked solos are by far and away the most meaningful form of pvp in this game. You can say its not, but that doesn't change the fact that it is.

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Hello, new player here. I just wanted to share my experience so far with ranked. After queueing a lot in preseason I decided I would give season 13 a whirl. Well i have had an absolute blast so far playing ranked. I have a small sample size right now (I am 8-10) around 1100 rating, but it has been a lot of fun. I'm a very competitive person so the challenge of getting better and trying to win has sparked my ranked thirst. So far the players i have played with have been good. Very minimal toxicity. Im very inconsistent right now, and players have done a good job pointing out what im doing wrong and i usually am able to fix them the next round. Of course I've had rounds where I've done poor DPS (usually cause I'm trying to taunt the right target and off guard) or get killed without popping cloak even once. This has led to me catching some flak for it, but i haven't gotten told to leave ranked or to KMS and honestly if this happens I deserve to receive a little flak because I played poorly. Some games/rounds weve lost people just automatically blame it on the new player, but ive had players stand up for me and also compliment me when I do something good. TBH most of the time there is hardly any talking good or bad. I dont know any of the players in the ranked community so I can't say oh yeah I've played with so and so and he is so toxic, but so far no one has really been toxic to me and I have been thoroughly enjoying ranked and I would say I am getting a lot better already. So for any new players that are getting turned off by all of the negative forum posts about ranked, I am here to tell you that you can have a positive experience and I would say the majority of the time you are going to have an enjoyable experience.

Oh I'm sure they do, I was just trying to use a generic example. My point was that its tough to please everyone because there are so many decisions made over the course of a game you are eventually going to upset everyone of your players in one way or another.

This is not a flame intended for anyone, just thinking outloud. But I see so much back and forth on these forums. I dont know the statistics, but let's just say half the people want to keep OPG and half dont. Well whatever decision they make they are upsetting 50% of the player base. Then there's an argument about deserter lockout. Let's say thats 50/50 as well but now you've alienated some of the people who wanted to keep OPG but not have a lockout timer. And so now you've successfully made 25% of your player base happy but upset the other 75%. I guess what I'm saying is its impossible to make everyone happy and there is going to be a decision somewhere along the way that upsets you. I think being mature about it and voicing your concerns is better than "im going to troll every game from now on because the developers didn't agree with me". Accept the decision and adapt. I don't envy anyone in power.