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Listen to the hardcore players.

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Scan
12.26.2011 , 12:59 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by DirtyDozen View Post
Glad I could help fix your sig.


But seriously this has to be some of the most childish thinking on these forums. You think everyone else cares what "hardcore" people do? You think everyone wants to be like them?
Thanks for pointing out my sig typo

No, I do think we are social animals though, that like it or not we do look up to those we play with, and ultimately those we play with look up to other people they know or play with.

My point is if you do not keep the very highest achievers interested in the game then they will move on, the effext of keeping these people interested is keeping all those that play down the chain interested.

Those saying "I only care what my friends do... etc" are only reinforcing my point, without knowing it.
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DonnieT
12.26.2011 , 01:00 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Scan View Post
Just no, Blizzard listens to its hardcore.

It creates content for its hardcore to beat. The content then trickles down the foodchain, mostly nerfed but availible to all.

It works.
Incorrect. WoW is the most casual friendly mmorpg in existence. You can listen to the hardcore and get 1/10th your subscriber base or the casual group and make infinitely more money. Both are fine games but guess which one the developers who need to make money will pick
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ZtruK
12.26.2011 , 01:00 PM | #23
Anyone playing SWTOR is by definition not a hardcore player. Go play Darkfall or EVE if you want to be hardcore. I love those games, just don't have the time anymore.

People who think they are "hardcore" playing games like this are just virtual gym class heroes. They should go play a real "sport" instead of picking on all the fat kids that don't get dressed for gym.
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DMuehlhausen
12.26.2011 , 01:00 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Scan View Post
Think about it, if the 1% leave then so does the 1% that looked up too and emulated them, then the 1% below that and so on.

If you do not see this then you are either a fanboy (these will stay if others leave) or a bioware drone.

I agree fanboys will stay, but they are not in number enough to float this game.
This has such major facepalm all through it I'm ashamed to be a part of the human race. You really honestly believe this how it works....

Please please tell me you aren't this arrogant and full of yourself that you think we play the game to stare at you....

The biggest issue is I know what the response is going to be.

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Fredcat
12.26.2011 , 01:06 PM | #25
Lol, you couldn't be more wrong. The reason WOW is the most successful MMO to date is because they copied then dumbed down a hardcore game like EQ so it would appeal to the much larger casual audience.

I know hardcore players think they're L33t but the reality is it's much more financially beneficial for a company not to cater to a small minority of players. And make no mistake you ARE a small minority.

And seriously dude, no one beyond their teen years cares about your mounts or titles. I can't even believe you wrote that.

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Darth_Pants
12.26.2011 , 01:07 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Scan View Post
Think about it, if the 1% leave then so does the 1% that looked up too and emulated them, then the 1% below that and so on.

If you do not see this then you are either a fanboy (these will stay if others leave) or a bioware drone.

I agree fanboys will stay, but they are not in number enough to float this game.
worst logic i have ever seen.

so the top 1% leave because the game was easy. the 1% below them now become the top 1%. and they leave because why?
the first 1% leaving somehow enabled them to beat content they previously could not? enabled them to get gear they previously could not?
enabled them to get mounts they previously could not?

the answer is clearly no. to all of those. so the only reason the NEW top 1% would quit would be because they STILL could not get those things, meaning the game is infact too hard, since only 1% of players where able to down the content, get the loot, and earn the mounts.

when ppl stop worrying about what others are doing with their playtime and start focusing on enjoying the game for themselves, things will be better.

when players stop pretending they are some kind of mmo genius who could revolutionize the genre with his amazing knowledge of how to run a successful mmo, things will get better.

the difficulty of this gime is 100% relative to YOUR OWN ABILITY. saying this game is easy because some pro's downed bosses fast is like saying golf is too easy for me cos tiger woods is good at it.

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sosolidshoe
12.26.2011 , 01:07 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Scan View Post
Just no, Blizzard listens to its hardcore.

It creates content for its hardcore to beat. The content then trickles down the foodchain, mostly nerfed but availible to all.

It works.
Lol, Hayekian game design theory? Almost as much of a crock as its RL economic equivalent.

Unless your entire game is designed around them(see: EvE Online), catering to hardcore players is a death sentence - you're* like locusts, buzzing through content without actually experiencing any of it desperate to say "first!", and then you're* straight back to whining on the forums that there's nothing to do, threatening to quit and, when the devs ignore you*, drifting aimlessly on to the next game to repeat the cycle.

* - in all cases meant in a general, nonsepecific sense, not directed at any particular poster, etc etc etc ad nauseam ad infinitium.

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Reddum
12.26.2011 , 01:10 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Scan View Post
Think about it, if the 1% leave then so does the 1% that looked up too and emulated them, then the 1% below that and so on.

If you do not see this then you are either a fanboy (these will stay if others leave) or a bioware drone.

I agree fanboys will stay, but they are not in number enough to float this game.
This is Star Wars and a BioWare game. It has enough fans to conquer the world!

And the only ones who really care about the "1%" of "hardcore players" that are "achievers, because they are really good at it" are the hardcore wanna-be section of the population, mostly made up of 12-year olds who can't really pay for the game by themselves and will stick to it as long as their parents pay for it anyway, the rest of that group are the sad, sad people who need to feel like they are better than others because they managed to get carried and got gear.

So, yeah, without the "1%", we'll just have a smaller population of 12-year olds and older people who act like they are 12-year old. I'm in for that.

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luchiferchuga
12.26.2011 , 01:10 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by JSykes View Post
Actually, if you cater to the 99% (which SW:TOR has so far, making everything stupidly simple) you alienate the 1%, who are the most vocal, and are the people the average MMO player tries to be. When I'm with some guildies in the Fleet and we whip out our Purple sabers in our epics right now, people start asking us how, where, how long did it take, etc. They want to be like us. If we aren't there... they won't know half these things, nor see it and want it. Someone has to get the carrot on the end of the stick to make the rest of the people keep running the treadmill in the attempt to get that carrot.
If you like being a sheep and follow people who is better and playing games than you, then so be it. But dont try to tell us that the 99% of the player will leave the game if hardcore gamers does.

That is just wrong in so many levels. Either you need to see a psycologist or stop playing games for a while, because you clearly are trying to acomplish some voids in your real life with your epeen.

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Jacobites
12.26.2011 , 01:10 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Scan View Post
Just no, Blizzard listens to its hardcore.

It creates content for its hardcore to beat. The content then trickles down the foodchain, mostly nerfed but availible to all.

It works.
You clearly have not been plaing the same WoW as the rest of us, or are clearly not as hardcore as you think you are.

Blizzard listens to it's paying majority playerbase... the CASUAL gamer. Hence the additions of LFD tools, dual specs, transmogrification, insta teleport to dungeons, cross server dungeon tools, cross server battlegrounds, complete nerf to all content and soon to arrive LFR tools. All screams CASUAL player. Might I add PANDAS, so you the self-proclaimed HARDCORE player wanted that expac?