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Petition to Remove Bolster and Replace it with "Recruit" Gear.

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Petition to Remove Bolster and Replace it with "Recruit" Gear.

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SW-TORtanic
02.11.2014 , 02:24 PM | #1
Introduction

Good afternoon PvP'ers,

I'm here to represent the PvP community to see if we can come to terms about the issues with PvP's Bolster and accept this solution: to remove Bolster from Level 55 PvP – both from regs and Ranked – and replace them with MOD-ABLE Recruit Gear.

Issues with Bolster in Endgame PvP

Ever since 2.0 (and pre-2.0 within the PTS) Bolster has shown to be more of a hindrance than an asset. PvP'ing naked, equipping Green implants and gear; both of these bugs/exploits were introduced because of a faulty Bolster that the developers failed to code correctly. Even the PvP'ers in the PTS warned the devs that they'd be launching 2.0 unfinished, and that Bolster would need to be patched for the expansion – and yet they never listened to the feedback of their testers and continued as planned.

There were also other bugs/exploits; such as the enhancement exploit, and I believe wearing some form of top tier PvE gear that was better than Partisan. Feel free to correct me or add some more Bolster bugs/exploits that you can remember (I've been here since pre-launch but my memory is quite rusty), but the fact is is that Bolster is just plain not working. The developers can't seem to get it right with Bolster, and whatever they us about Bolster – like the letter from the "Combat team" – already tells us everything we've already discussed and know of about Bolster.

The main bug/exploit right now is that we have players in full 46s that get Bolstered to better stats than min/maxed Conq (and even Oboran!) or using endgame PvE MH/OH mods that are better than even Oboran min/maxed MH/OH weapons. You guys gave the PvP community your word that PvP gear is the best in Warzones, when that's simply just not true. It only is in WPvP, but WPvP is FUBAR'd that that doesn't even count.

Another thing is that we DO NOT need Bolster. At all. Whatsoever. The only reason why it's encouraged is due to casuals/PvE'ers who need this to have their hands held, to put it bluntly. It's common knowledge that BW is catering to these player-bases, but what they need to understand is that these types of players don't understand the PvP community, they don't understand how PvP works, and furthermore they're so minimally involved in PvP (and if they do any of it it's just as a supplementary thing or to get a BiS piece) that they shouldn't represent either the minority or the majority. They just shouldn't even factor into anything really.

Conclusion

So what I'm suggesting is that BioWare removes Bolster completely from endgame PvP – both from regs and Ranked – and make a set of modifiable "Recruit" gear for anyone starting out in PvP. Let it have its own vendor, and let it cost very little in either credits or PvP comms – or have it be free of charge! In addition, make the gear gap more than what the 1st tier (e.g. Conquerer) would be from the 2nd higher tier (e.g. Oboran), but don't make the stats so minimal that you can feel very inferior to someone in, let's say, min/maxed Conquerer-type of gear. You may feel at a slight disadvantage against a player in Oboran-type of gear, but I feel as if this small sacrifice is necessary in order to make PvP function better.

These casuals/PvE'ers need to start helping out themselves and need to start taking some responsibility here, and that is my other and final note that you need to understand, BioWare.

Any and all feedback is welcome (I know this is hypocritical of what I said earlier about different players, but I'll make an exception for this petition). I'm proud to be a representative of this community.

Thank you.

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BigDumbViking
02.11.2014 , 02:31 PM | #2
I would go as far as to make entry level PVP gear trainable by crafting vendors. Make it blue quality and cap out expertise at 2018 and make it decent enough to be competitive as long as you have the full set.
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L-RANDLE
02.11.2014 , 02:32 PM | #3
What about raiders? The issue last time wasnt just about the gear itself. Some have told me verbatim that they wouldn't wear it because of xyz reasons. That pretty much screws up the WZ for everyone..

Sadists... Way too many for any combination of this type of PVP gearing system to work.
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SW-TORtanic
02.11.2014 , 02:40 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by BigDumbViking View Post
I would go as far as to make entry level PVP gear trainable by crafting vendors. Make it blue quality and cap out expertise at 2018 and make it decent enough to be competitive as long as you have the full set.
Well the reason why I think it should be purple is so more people are encouraged to wear it. Then can put the mods from the "Recruit" gear into the modifiable armor they already have. No one would like to remove their Revan's Gear for plain, ugly blues. BW is highly known for making very hideous sets, most of which aren't provided in the CM but at your regular in-game vendors.

In all, modification > blues.

Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
What about raiders? The issue last time wasnt just about the gear itself. Some have told me verbatim that they wouldn't wear it because of xyz reasons. That pretty much screws up the WZ for everyone..

Sadists... Way too many for any combination of this type of PVP gearing system to work.
Well they need to be accountable for this. We don't need Bolster because raiders, who prefer PvE over PvP, won't wear it for XYZ reasons. They aren't the ones going to the PTS queuing for WZs with other PvP'ers, and I can bet you they probably don't do Ranked at all. If they do the former, again, it's just a supplementary thing.

I'm sorry but IMO I just don't think "XYZ reasons" is good enough for an argument from their POV in this case. This is about making PvP gear BiS for PvP and from preventing these types of bugs/exploits from recurring in the future. In this case, the focus should be primarily on the PvP'ers and not the other types of players.

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redfour
02.11.2014 , 02:43 PM | #5
I think they should make a vendor with armorings, mods, enhancements, etc... of what would be the equivalent of "recurit gear" so people can still have the "look" they want, but be able to have an entry level set of pvp gear. Oh, and you could make the cost planetary comms so it's affordable when players hit 55.

I agree, I worked too hard getting my obroan gear to have the weapons be useless because you can buy the voss mods and they bolster WAY above obroan weapons.

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SW-TORtanic
02.11.2014 , 02:47 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by redfour View Post
I think they should make a vendor with armorings, mods, enhancements, etc... of what would be the equivalent of "recurit gear" so people can still have the "look" they want, but be able to have an entry level set of pvp gear
That's kind of what I'm saying.

Introduce a vendor of this caliber with "Recruit" gear vendors that sell modifiable "Recruit" gear pieces, and if the player wants to keep the look they want they can do so. They'll be able to enter Warzones and still be at a semi-competitive level, without having to figure out the mess that is Bolster, and all the while we won't have Bolster introducing these bugs/exploits.

However, if a player chooses not to do this, then that is their fault. They will be held responsible (e.g. like being killed in 2 GCDs), and they will know that the alternative to Bolster would be the "Recruit" gear that they can easily obtain at the "Recruit" gear vendor. If they want to go through the trouble of obtaining better PvP gear without using the help from the mods of the "Recruit" gear, then that's their problem. Bolster shouldn't have to baby them through PvP and PvP gear – which should be BiS for PvP – shouldn't have to suffer due to the bad coding of Bolster.

It would be a win/win, IMO.

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truchaos
02.11.2014 , 02:53 PM | #7
They already tried this and gave away free 'Recruit' gear.

People would not wear it.

The forums were flooded with QQ's about it- You cannot fix stupid so the Devs side-stepped stupid by taking the 'choice' out of wearing recruit gear with bolster. The problem is... they made bolster too good, it should never have been as good as actually wearing pvp gear.

Knock the bonus down to ~1850 exp or less max on bolster and it would help overall.
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teclado
02.11.2014 , 02:55 PM | #8
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cycao
02.11.2014 , 02:56 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
What about raiders? The issue last time wasnt just about the gear itself. Some have told me verbatim that they wouldn't wear it because of xyz reasons. That pretty much screws up the WZ for everyone..

Sadists... Way too many for any combination of this type of PVP gearing system to work.
This is the reason why they will never abandon bolster. They could offer up gear that was as good as min/maxed conq but PvE players wouldn't wear it for whatever reasons like "i hate the look" or "I shouldn't need two sets of gear"...

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SW-TORtanic
02.11.2014 , 02:57 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by truchaos View Post
They already tried this and gave away free 'Recruit' gear.

People would not wear it.

The forums were flooded with QQ's about it- You cannot fix stupid so the Devs side-stepped stupid by taking the 'choice' out of wearing recruit gear with bolster. The problem is... they made bolster too good, it should never have been as good as actually wearing pvp gear.

Knock the bonus down to ~1850 exp or less max on bolster and it would help overall.
People would still QQ about that, and still that would mean coding Bolster yet again, and that could again, introduce more Bolster bugs/exploits that many PvP'ers are sick of.

That's why I'm introducing this as an alternative. Just remove Bolster. I get it – from paper it's actually not that bad of an idea, but the execution is almost always flawed.