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Sytakan
12.28.2013 , 01:48 AM | #1
And shockingly enough, we went through without a single death.

It was the Esseles, or however it's spelled, so a level 14 group. But it was full DPS, with one person still a knight. Hadn't even selected a specialized class. Needed everything too. Couldn't kick him either, one person never spoke, and the other insisted the guy meant no harm.

Does the group finder do this often?

I'm worried, I don't want this game to go easy-mode like WoW has. Some semblance of difficulty is part of the reason why I like this game.

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ScarletBlaze
12.28.2013 , 01:54 AM | #2
I believe it does that for the easier flashpoints but when you get to the hardmodes you will need the right set up for group finder to match you with a flashpoint or operation..
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12.28.2013 , 01:58 AM | #3
Esseles and BT dont require a healer from what i remember. in fact i think you can two man it for the most part, though its prob recommended one of the companions is healer. thats the way it used to be run before group finder.
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AshlaBoga
12.28.2013 , 02:47 AM | #4
The 1st FPS (SM Esseles and SM Black Talon) are actually designed for 2 players, not 4. So it giving you an all dps group makes sense.
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Danylia
12.28.2013 , 02:49 AM | #5
Esseles and Black Talon Storymode are designed for group of 2 players + companions. Originally, the groupfinder for them required the standard composition Tank + Healer + 2 DPS. However, after the Czerka Flashpoints came out - where the SM version is designed for any group regardless of roles - people pointed out that the same holds true for Black Talon & Esseles, and thus that the groupfinder should ignore roles for these Flashpoints. Which was indeed implemented in some relatively recent patch (post 2.3 I think).

So, Groupfinder for Esseles, Black Talon, and both Czerka Flashpoints takes first four player regardless of roles - in Storymode. All the other Flashpoints, starting with Hammer Station SM, require the Tank + Healer + 2 DPS combination.
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12.28.2013 , 04:08 AM | #6
About the esseless. You can solo it at lv14. So I wouldnt care to much that it was a dps-only group (matter of fact .... at lv 14 you can't heal or tank efficiently yet). Count your blessings that 4 dps made it a faster run ;-)

If the rest of the game is easymode? Well, ehm ... yes and no. If you consider that my first toon got to lv50 safely without understanding my rotation than yes .... levelling is easymode.
The HM flashpoints and opses are better/challenging however if you are at the appropriate gearlevel.
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Sytakan
12.28.2013 , 01:51 PM | #7
Thank you for the info everyone!



Quote: Originally Posted by fire-breath View Post
About the esseless. You can solo it at lv14. So I wouldnt care to much that it was a dps-only group (matter of fact .... at lv 14 you can't heal or tank efficiently yet). Count your blessings that 4 dps made it a faster run ;-)

If the rest of the game is easymode? Well, ehm ... yes and no. If you consider that my first toon got to lv50 safely without understanding my rotation than yes .... levelling is easymode.
The HM flashpoints and opses are better/challenging however if you are at the appropriate gearlevel.
I don't really mind if leveling is easy, to be honest. I just worry if dungeons and raids and the like are too easy. For example, in WoW, it has gotten to the point that you almost never need a healer or a tank in most dungeons, thanks to everyone having powerful self-heals and the ridiculous amount of good gear that is spat out everywhere. I've even seen NEWER raids beaten with less-than-max-members groups with poor party composition. I know this because I've seen (and done) it myself.

Basically, I'm hoping SWTOR still takes some skill in the later level dungeons, and in raids. Or whatever the SWTOR version of a raid is called.

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12.28.2013 , 03:25 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Sytakan View Post
I don't really mind if leveling is easy, to be honest. I just worry if dungeons and raids and the like are too easy. For example, in WoW, it has gotten to the point that you almost never need a healer or a tank in most dungeons, thanks to everyone having powerful self-heals and the ridiculous amount of good gear that is spat out everywhere. I've even seen NEWER raids beaten with less-than-max-members groups with poor party composition. I know this because I've seen (and done) it myself.

Basically, I'm hoping SWTOR still takes some skill in the later level dungeons, and in raids. Or whatever the SWTOR version of a raid is called.
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In general, 8 man raids will require the full 2 tank, 2 healer, 4 DPS setup, while 16 man will require 2 tank, 4 healer, 10 DPS (except for EC, which requires 3 tanks). If you overgear content, you can get away with running the "wrong" composition. Also, some fights push one role disproportionately to other roles. It is common to 3 heal Nefra and Tyrans, for example, and also common to 5 heal 16 man Dread Masters.
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lokiwalker
12.28.2013 , 10:27 PM | #9
The good news is that the farther away you get from 14ish the less* you will see people like the guy Needing everything. As the others say you BT/Ess ignores the roles and before 15 most dont have anything to really tank or heal with.

*There are still always jerks the other day at level 35 I had some guy who needed everything, even the greens that dropped, after we called him on it he was offended, "well of course I needed it, I can sell them you Noobs!" at least we were able to kick him quickly after that statement.

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ItachiZaku
12.30.2013 , 12:50 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Danylia View Post
both Czerka Flashpoints takes first four player regardless of roles - in Storymode..
It is rather alarming the amount of 3 healer groups I have gotten for the daily CR FPs. 45 minute healer queues otherwise is absurd!
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