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grand army of republic (clone army) vs army of old republic (swtor era)

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grand army of republic (clone army) vs army of old republic (swtor era)

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Selenial
10.28.2013 , 06:26 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Xakthul View Post
EU books> Essential Guides> Comics> Game-canon
No...

No no.


No no no no no.

Game canon is not below Comics, especially when it's in a cutscene. And especially more when the game has in depth analysis on every single unit, it's capabilities and sometimes its origins.
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10.28.2013 , 06:27 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
You are skipping one very important sentence:



Emphasis mine. I see no conflict in sources.
I'm starting to lean towards TCW too, because Veers is described as choosing to resurrect the AT-AT because he thought they suited him....

Yah. But I don't think Standard Clone Legions had them.
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Aurbere
10.28.2013 , 06:33 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilikaa View Post
I did not skip anything. The guide I have clearly states that the AT-AT was affiliated with the Galactic Empire. Walkers such as the PT and TE are listed as Old Republic. The AT's development may have started under the OR and was brought back to life by Veers and the Empire, but non were built and deployed by the GAR. I don't normally disagree with you, Aurbere. I know a lot about Star Wars but you know a lot more than I do and I learn quite a bit from you. In this case, however, I have to disagree. There does seem to be a conflict in sources here.
Quote: Originally Posted by The Essential Atlas
Weeks of soggy warfare on Jabiim ended with a costly Republic withdrawl, despite the use of the newly introduced AT-ATs.
The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels was published in 2003. The Essential Atlas was published in 2009. (Just in case I decide to use publication dates as evidence)
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10.28.2013 , 06:34 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial View Post
I'm starting to lean towards TCW too, because Veers is described as choosing to resurrect the AT-AT because he thought they suited him....

Yah. But I don't think Standard Clone Legions had them.
There are also armored divisions, and I would think the Republic would have a few AT-ATs out there in the third year (since they came in during the second year).
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10.29.2013 , 10:02 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
There are also armored divisions, and I would think the Republic would have a few AT-ATs out there in the third year (since they came in during the second year).
i have my douth that AT-AT was in genral GAR inventory consider at some point the AT-AT project was scrapet by the republic, who was in faver of wheel tank like the a5 and a6 juggernaut question is who may dide rebublic bulid befor the rebulic scrapet the AT-AT project may be the seven deployed at battle of jabbiin was the only one bulid befor rebublic canseled the project. if AT-AT as bin in genral inventory wookeepedia say somting like veers continued the project rater en seurrecet the project


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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_T...ored_Transport
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10.29.2013 , 10:32 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
I can't believe Kota's opinion of Clones is being used here. Time after time Clones have been shown to be adaptive and inventive on the battlefield. Not only that, but they were trained to be the best fighting force in the galaxy.

Also, the GAR has far better vehicles in its arsenal, including the AT-AT.

I must agree. Clone's were known to be just as adaptive to variable situations as normal human beings. Coupled with their superior training, a clone division would be FAR more efficient then the OR armies of the Republic; we may infer that they would have exceptional aptitude for teamwork and team innovation with 10+ of training companion training from birth. In my opinion, that would outweigh another forces ability even if they are veterans. Perhaps in a 1 vs 1 battle, are OR would defeat a clone troop, however, in war teamwork is whats required
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10.29.2013 , 02:30 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
I can't believe Kota's opinion of Clones is being used here. Time after time Clones have been shown to be adaptive and inventive on the battlefield. Not only that, but they were trained to be the best fighting force in the galaxy.

Also, the GAR has far better vehicles in its arsenal, including the AT-AT.
Except Rohm was proven to be, for the most part, correct there was a reason his group was one of the most decorated and successful because the life experiences outside of combat gave his men a wider knowledge base thus giving access to ideas that some one who is trained from birth would never have. He was also correct in not trusting the clones to think for themselves and just follow orders which lead to the death of nearly all the Jedi.

So all-in-all his opinion is meaningless until we look at the circumstances and he was proven absolutely correct in his opinion in every way other wise his troop would not have been nearly as successful or as decorated in comparison to the clone counter parts, but it was the reverse with his being one of the highest decorated and most successful. Where their clone counter parts that did just as well if not better, yes, were they the average, no. The average is what we are talking about here. When talking about the Average the average highly trained home grown human being is better then the Average Highly trained clone troop. Heck another example is Boba Fett vs the average clone. They are both made from the same DNA Boba just had a full life to experience everything the world has to offer heck last I checked Boba didn't go through the clones training program either so that just shows what a normal human being is capable of, slanted argument yes but it serves the point.

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10.29.2013 , 02:35 PM | #28
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Except Rohm was proven to be, for the most part, correct there was a reason his group was one of the most decorated and successful because the life experiences outside of combat gave his men a wider knowledge base thus giving access to ideas that some one who is trained from birth would never have. He was also correct in not trusting the clones to think for themselves and just follow orders which lead to the death of nearly all the Jedi.

So all-in-all his opinion is meaningless until we look at the circumstances and he was proven absolutely correct in his opinion in every way other wise his troop would not have been nearly as successful or as decorated in comparison to the clone counter parts, but it was the reverse with his being one of the highest decorated and most successful. Where their clone counter parts that did just as well if not better, yes, were they the average, no. The average is what we are talking about here. When talking about the Average the average highly trained home grown human being is better then the Average Highly trained clone troop. Heck another example is Boba Fett vs the average clone. They are both made from the same DNA Boba just had a full life to experience everything the world has to offer heck last I checked Boba didn't go through the clones training program either so that just shows what a normal human being is capable of, slanted argument yes but it serves the point.
Even if you were right, what does this have to do with the OR soldiers? Not only that, but you failed to counter my point that the Clones are smart and adaptable.

Not that it matters, I highly doubt OR soldiers are superior to Clone Troopers. No one has even provided any evidence to prove that they are except for them fighting organics, which is not really evidence.
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10.29.2013 , 02:50 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Even if you were right, what does this have to do with the OR soldiers? Not only that, but you failed to counter my point that the Clones are smart and adaptable.

Not that it matters, I highly doubt OR soldiers are superior to Clone Troopers. No one has even provided any evidence to prove that they are except for them fighting organics, which is not really evidence.
They are adaptable but not as much as an OR soldier would be. The average OR soldier would be very much like the Militia of Rohm Kota, their life experiences both in and out of combat and their ability to disobey orders that would get them killed and instead use a different means to accomplish the same task makes them better. All of that is the point Rohm Militia was the average everyday trained human. The clones have 9 years of training it is likely that the OR soldiers had at least 3 years of training along with more then 20 years of life experience before hand. The average OR soldier had to fight against people just like themselves which means they had to be more inventive then their opponents something that would have been vastly more difficult to do then it would have been for the clones to be more "inventive" then droids. Making a direct comparison between them is impossible do to the thousands of years difference, so we have to compare the average clone to the closest thing in their era to an OR soldier and that is Rohm Kota's Militia and that Militia was better then the Average Clone troop.

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10.29.2013 , 03:00 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by tunewalker View Post
They are adaptable but not as much as an OR soldier would be. The average OR soldier would be very much like the Militia of Rohm Kota, their life experiences both in and out of combat and their ability to disobey orders that would get them killed and instead use a different means to accomplish the same task makes them better. All of that is the point Rohm Militia was the average everyday trained human. The clones have 9 years of training it is likely that the OR soldiers had at least 3 years of training along with more then 20 years of life experience before hand. The average OR soldier had to fight against people just like themselves which means they had to be more inventive then their opponents something that would have been vastly more difficult to do then it would have been for the clones to be more "inventive" then droids. Making a direct comparison between them is impossible do to the thousands of years difference, so we have to compare the average clone to the closest thing in their era to an OR soldier and that is Rohm Kota's Militia and that Militia was better then the Average Clone troop.
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We're going nowhere real fast. Then again, I had no real interest in this thread to begin with. Just came into this thread to clear a few points up, but that never works because some people just can't let things go.
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