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Didn't Palpatine violate the rule of two.

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Didn't Palpatine violate the rule of two.

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turnoverla-page
07.13.2013 , 11:52 AM | #1
Having recently finished the Darth bane trilogy, it got me wondering that Palpatine slitting his masters throat in is his sleep is exactly the the the rule of two was made to stop, then by having several Emperors Hands also breaking the two part.

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BradTheImpaler
07.13.2013 , 01:20 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by turnoverla-page View Post
Having recently finished the Darth bane trilogy, it got me wondering that Palpatine slitting his masters throat in is his sleep is exactly the the the rule of two was made to stop, then by having several Emperors Hands also breaking the two part.
If you read the Darth Plagueis novel, it goes into at least some detail on the history of Banite Sith, and you'll find that the rule of two is, let's just say, bent frequently.

Sith Lords (generally) aren't stupid enough to rely on the trustworthiness of apprentices who 'say' they won't hire on an apprentice of their own to team up against the master. Darth Tenebrous even had a "backup" apprentice, in case Plagueis screwed up.

As for Plagueis's death, though, there's really nothing in the rule of two that says you can't kill your master in his sleep. It might be seen as cowardly, or just as opportunistic, but it does the job.
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TalonVII
07.13.2013 , 01:38 PM | #3
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Having recently finished the Darth bane trilogy, it got me wondering that Palpatine slitting his masters throat in is his sleep is exactly the the the rule of two was made to stop, then by having several Emperors Hands also breaking the two part.
No, actually Palpatine didn't. He had only Vader as a TRUE sith. It was Palp and Vader. The rest were merely dark side users like the Emperor's hands, or Inquisitors or Dark Side Devotees.

So infact he did not break the rule of two.
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turnoverla-page
07.13.2013 , 03:31 PM | #4
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No, actually Palpatine didn't. He had only Vader as a TRUE sith. It was Palp and Vader. The rest were merely dark side users like the Emperor's hands, or Inquisitors or Dark Side Devotees.

So infact he did not break the rule of two.
that was only a secondary point the main idea of the rule of two was that when the apprentice was ready he/she will duel their master to the death so only the strongest shall will become or sty as master, instead of killing plaguis this way he slit his throat in his sleep what was exactly one of the things darth bne wanted to stop

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07.13.2013 , 03:34 PM | #5
Plagueis had already admitted Sidious was more powerful, no need to risk injuring himself or perhaps even have Plagueis take Sidious with him, by killing him in his sleep he'd secured the mantel and made sure the Order of the Sith Lords carried on.
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Aurbere
07.13.2013 , 03:36 PM | #6
Palpatine did as Bane would have wanted. He said that the Sith will have to rely on cunning and deceit. Palpatine used those tools to lay Plagueis low. Plagueis was a fool to think that Palpatine would remain his underling.
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Beniboybling
07.13.2013 , 03:48 PM | #7
By the near end of the Rule of Two, it had become pretty much redundant. Tenebrous and Plagueis didn't think they needed the Rule anymore and I doubt Sidious much cared for it as he was intent on establishing his own Rule of One.

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turnoverla-page
07.13.2013 , 03:50 PM | #8
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By the near end of the Rule of Two, it had become pretty much redundant. Tenebrous and Plagueis didn't think they needed the Rule anymore and I doubt Sidious much cared for it as he was intent on establishing his own Rule of One.
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LadyKulvax
07.13.2013 , 03:51 PM | #9
What Darth Krayt establishing.
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Aurbere
07.13.2013 , 03:52 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
By the near end of the Rule of Two, it had become pretty much redundant. Tenebrous and Plagueis didn't think they needed the Rule anymore and I doubt Sidious much cared for it as he was intent on establishing his own Rule of One.
That was Darth Krayt that established the Rule of One. Fairly successful, but he suffered from the same pitfalls as previous Sith Empires.
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