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Superman_AZ
07.08.2013 , 05:57 AM | #391
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
That's fine, but it still doesn't change the fact the requirement is pointless. Do one or the other, having both is meaningless.
Having BOTH allows the option to use EITHER. People complain all day long about being forced to do something when there is no other option. They've provided options, and people STILL complain. They need to remove the Legacy requirement all together and make it X number of CCs -- OR -- 1M Creds. If the legacy wasn't tied to this companion, this thread would have died on page 1.
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Superman_AZ
07.08.2013 , 05:59 AM | #392
Quote: Originally Posted by Reno_Tarshil View Post
I'm a subscriber and I've yet to feel treated poorly, so please don't speak for everyone.
I'm with you on this. I pay monthly and pay heavily into the CM. I enjoy options, and I am glad people have more than ONE avenue by which to achieve something.
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CommanderKeeva
07.08.2013 , 06:15 AM | #393
The dev silence on these threads must mean that they have no intention of easing the in-game acquisition of this companion in any way.

Sad thing though, because with a system like this, not even long-time, high-legacy subscribers will use the credit unlock. What's the point in it anyway, when you earn 500 CC per month?

I just wonder how they have the audacity to call it "Legacy vendor" when it's blatantly obvious that they're biased towards the Cartel Coin unlock. If they want to be honest and straightforward, they should rename the damned vendor to "Cartel Coin vendor", since I find it unlikely that further additions to the legacy vendor will actually favor the legacy system in any way.
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Arlon_Nabarlly
07.08.2013 , 06:37 AM | #394
Quote: Originally Posted by morfius View Post
I still cannot understand the logic between all that hate about CC Treek.
OK, I'll quote the exact line from your breakdown.

Quote: Originally Posted by morfius View Post
If you want it now - pay for it.
If you want it now you pay for it is a short and sweet definition of P2W. I'm not saying that this is P2W, because it's not because a companion does not equal win, but it's certainly tip toeing over the line and that's why people are getting pissed. They want to make sure Bioware hears, loud and clear, what we will not accept P2W and they are on the fence, if not over it, with this and it should be backed down.

Quote: Originally Posted by morfius View Post
It is a game, not baby cry.
ummmwut?

Quote: Originally Posted by Hxxr View Post
Right - high Legacy levels are exclusive not to the most hardcore, but simply most stable playerbase.
I find it a little disappointing that it offers very little in terms of rewards ... pretty much nothing apart from the title. No one ever said: "I got to raise my Legacy level, so I can have this and that!" Because there's nothing special to obtain.

Pretty much in the same boat as crafting items for fashion purposes.
QFT

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chuuuuucky
07.08.2013 , 07:00 AM | #395
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post
I'm with you on this. I pay monthly and pay heavily into the CM. I enjoy options, and I am glad people have more than ONE avenue by which to achieve something.
I agree with you options are always a good thing and CCs are ok to unlock the character. However options should always be balanced and that is not given with the options we can have the new companion.
Legacy is the only level that really shows the time and effort you put into the game because it grows no matter what activity you do in the game. As soon as you bring that up as a barrier to obtain something, that means that this object is tied to a certain amount of effort. So by eliminating this barrier in the cc option the effort is turned down to nearly zero. So we have a high demand of effort on one side and a low demand of effort on the other.
As you said above in another post getting rid of the legacy requirement would be one logical option. The other would be to add the legacy level to the cartel market option. And also another option would be to lower the legacy level so much that the that the effort wouldn't justify a need for a legacy level requirement on the Cartel market option. However that is not very straightforeward as there is always the question when is the legacy level so high that it should be added to both credit and cartel market option.
The way it is now is the worst because, well most people don't have a problem with the cartel market option but the equation high effort = low effort doesn't work out.

Edit: Btw. Superman_AZ I appriciate your effort in the other thread to discuss how legacy should be handled in the future and see your last posts in this thread as a very good basis for further constructive discussions.

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SithKoriandr
07.08.2013 , 07:07 AM | #396
Quote: Originally Posted by Hxxr View Post
Right - high Legacy levels are exclusive not to the most hardcore, but simply most stable playerbase.
I find it a little disappointing that it offers very little in terms of rewards ... pretty much nothing apart from the title. No one ever said: "I got to raise my Legacy level, so I can have this and that!" Because there's nothing special to obtain.

Pretty much in the same boat as crafting items for fashion purposes.
^This.

I don't see Treek as P2W. It would just be a good thing to see people actually trying to get those higher Legacy Levels for whatever reason.

I'm Legacy Level 37 and I really don't see a reason to actually care what my Legacy Level really is.
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ImperialSun
07.08.2013 , 07:12 AM | #397
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlon_Nabarlly View Post
OK, I'll quote the exact line from your breakdown.



If you want it now you pay for it is a short and sweet definition of P2W. I'm not saying that this is P2W, because it's not because a companion does not equal win, but it's certainly tip toeing over the line and that's why people are getting pissed. They want to make sure Bioware hears, loud and clear, what we will not accept P2W and they are on the fence, if not over it, with this and it should be backed down.


ummmwut?



QFT
What I dont understand is, as you have stated above, companions provide no advantage and this is NOT a P2W scenario...so how is it tip toeing anywhere near the line?

Not trying to nitpick but that seems like a contradiction in and of itself??

Driz

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Heezdedjim
07.08.2013 , 07:16 AM | #398
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
If you wish to purchase Treek using Cartel Coins there is no Legacy level requirement. The Legacy level requirement is only if you wish to use credits.
That is . . . kind of a big deal.

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Superman_AZ
07.08.2013 , 07:25 AM | #399
Quote: Originally Posted by chuuuuucky View Post
I agree with you options are always a good thing and CCs are ok to unlock the character. However options should always be balanced and that is not given with the options we can have the new companion.
Legacy is the only level that really shows the time and effort you put into the game because it grows no matter what activity you do in the game. As soon as you bring that up as a barrier to obtain something, that means that this object is tied to a certain amount of effort. So by eliminating this barrier in the cc option the effort is turned down to nearly zero.

It is clear we will see eye to eye on at least one of the two major points. I do agree there should be a balance, but tying more items to Legacy requirements may validate play time for long term players, but might discourage the purchase and use of CC in the market. Bioware has always been a for-profit company, and as a business, the smart move is to appeal to a wider audience by making certain fan items available for cash. I know there are people who call it "Pay-to-Win", but they are obviously mistaken on the definition.

Pay to win means I could give BW $250, and in turn, they would give me a lvl 55 of each advanced class, a lvl 50 legacy, all the cosmetic gear I want, and fill out all my Legacy Perks and Achievements. Purchasing an Ewok on the CM was their goal. They tied it to a Legacy to provide options. Personally, I would like to see the Legacy Option be FREE for players with a Legacy 40+ in acknowledgement of thier efforts.

I am not trying to admonish the long term players, I would like to see them rewarded so they stop trying to take away the options of others who might not have as much free time. Honestly, If you have Legacy Level 50, your unlocks should all be free. Maybe instead of attacking players who are using the options given to them, Legacy players should begin a heavy dialogue with BW to get Legacy 50 to have free unlocks for Alts. Let their hard work mean something.
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SithKoriandr
07.08.2013 , 07:27 AM | #400
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun View Post
What I dont understand is, as you have stated above, companions provide no advantage and this is NOT a P2W scenario...so how is it tip toeing anywhere near the line?

Not trying to nitpick but that seems like a contradiction in and of itself??

Driz
There's a few sayings...

"Give them an inch and they'll take a mile."

"Give them an inch and they'll walk all over you."

What BW has been doing lately is trying to push the Cartel Market, where every bit of new content is released as purchasable in the Cartel Market (except Makeb oddly enough) and then tell the Subs, that "Oh it's free to you, because we give you Free CCs"

Problem with that, is they don't give enough Free CCs with the amount of things they're churning out in the CM. And then people use the "Well just wait and save the coins up!" nevermind the fact that while a sub could do that, they'll likely be saving up for quite awhile and waiting months to experience something others around you are doing right now, because hey, they paid extra ontop of everything else...yeah.

It's come down to new MMO players who don't have the time to play a MMO but want to play it, and those who make time and want it not only as TOR advertised itself as being a year ago, but like MMOs used to be.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry