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The REAL Most Powerful Jedi


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marcelo_sdk
07.19.2013 , 04:45 PM | #981
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lol this feels like its turned into a joke..... every argument for why she was stronger then Vader is completely forgotten and now it doesn't seem to matter what she did or who she did it against. What was a good effort feels more and more like a Farce, a mockery every day.
I wasn't present since the beggining of the thread, so I probably missed those arguments. Could you post them here, or direct me to them?
THE SHEPARD LEGACY

Master Goldrinn Shepard [Human Jedi Guardian] | Darth Saeros [Cyborg Sith Jugg.]
Erendis Barsen'thor [Human Jedi Shadow] | Darth Kamul [Zabrak Sith Assassin]

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Beniboybling
07.20.2013 , 05:27 AM | #982
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I wasn't present since the beggining of the thread, so I probably missed those arguments. Could you post them here, or direct me to them?
Here are the arguments made by Rayla:
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I think Kyp and Vader are harder to judge, but for me it's clearly Jaina Solo over Vader, not only does she have the perfect force techniques to be arguably the best Jedi Sentinel/Shadow ever, her force speed was unbelievable even during the Vong war.

Her use of shatterpoint and stealth techniques is in my opinion unrivalled, also her abilities to affect the mind of a force user are very impressive, she can even see into past events, her raw power just outmatches Vader in my opinion.

She was so powerful through the Force she butchered some of the most powerful Vong and she took on twenty Sith Sabers and killed them all because she was too fast for them to keep track of, which is much more impressive than Vader's handling of the Ambush at Kessel.

Her power is realised fully when she is given the rank of Jedi Master by Luke himself, claiming that it wasn't training that made her so powerful, but instinct and battle in the field, because power in the Force comes naturally to her, just like it did to her Uncle.
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Vader as has been stated uses his strength in the Dark Side a lot for his lightsaber duels, as stated in the ROTJ novel, he threw everything at Luke in that final duel, having re-read the novel, he does decide that actions speak louder than words and wants to show his son how much more powerful the Dark Side, is, he succeeds but only at his own expense.

If ROTJ Luke can defeat Vader, I am certain FOTJ Jaina Solo could.

Her specific powers simply show slightly greater command of the Force than her Grandfather wielded, I think the fact she faced Caedus twice in a row and not only survived but won, shows how powerful she was and her later use of Force Speed whilst severely injured to kill nearly 20 Sith Sabers is frankly an astonishing feat considering that the Lost Tribe were no mess abouts they were a powerful Sith organization.

And her command of Force Lightning when she has close brushes with the Dark Side is kind of frightening, especially when you consider it mangled and fried the Vong she used it on, described as deformed, it also killed Lost Tribe Sith very quickly, showing her abilities to break directly through force barriers with ease.

Her ability to change and alter a Force Users' mind is very impressive to, especially considering she could use it to trick the Vong as well.

Then there are of course her abilities in Stealth which are many and numerous and all very powerful, especially her Force Concealment, it worked so well that a Sith Lord of Darth Caedus' power didnt even know she was there at first in their second engagement.

Then you have her Healing Trance technique which has brought herself back from the brink of death quite a few times, which is very impressive considering that a regular Force User can't heal much beyond a broken bone or two, where as she could bring herself back from near death to almost full strength in not too long a time at all and whilst in LOTF this did exhaust her use of the Force for awhile it got more impressive in FOTJ when even after facing down multiple Sith and killing them using a massive burst of Force Speed, she still had enough left in the tank to heal her severe injuries, which she had gained before her showdown with the Lost Tribe.
To be quite honest I think she makes a fair argument there. It does seem to make sense that if Jaina could stand up to Caedus and win, with aid, she would able to stand up to a lesser Sith Lord i.e. Vader, without any aid and win. I'm actually thinking Mace Windu should stay below Jaina. Perhaps after all the lists are complete, we can revisit this on the project thread. Its probably best to move on to Sith for now to avoid the forums become 'clogged'.

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marcelo_sdk
07.31.2013 , 12:03 PM | #983
We settle all ties on the Sith list, so now let's foccus on the Most Poerful Jedi list. We have three main issues here:

- Should Galen Marek be considered a Jedi.
- Jaina Solo vs. Mace Windu
- Saba Sebatyne vs. Satele Shan
- Saba Sebatyne should remain on the list?

Suggest we start with Marek, cause if he does make to the list, the ranked can be corrected for his entrance.
THE SHEPARD LEGACY

Master Goldrinn Shepard [Human Jedi Guardian] | Darth Saeros [Cyborg Sith Jugg.]
Erendis Barsen'thor [Human Jedi Shadow] | Darth Kamul [Zabrak Sith Assassin]

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tunewalker
07.31.2013 , 04:05 PM | #984
As per beni said and Rayla said before, No to Jaina moving or Windu moving.

Galen may be able to make it on the list but that would remove Satele, and I believe he is to ambiguously neutral to be on this list.

no to Satele being above Saba, Their sense was argueably equal Saba has some of the most powerful Force Valor ever seen and from my post a while back Force Valor can be just as much a sign of power as any other ability possibly even more so. Her Tk abilities were also highly advanced she was more powerful then her student Leia who was powerful enough to hold the Millennium Falcon together, but when compared to her masters TK abilities were considered novice.

So all said and done I do not believe any one should be moved. I feel like all of the lists are done and the only thing we need to do now is top 10 saber duelists.

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marcelo_sdk
07.31.2013 , 09:33 PM | #985
Actually, we are resolving the issues on the Index thread guys, so if you want to have a say, go there.
THE SHEPARD LEGACY

Master Goldrinn Shepard [Human Jedi Guardian] | Darth Saeros [Cyborg Sith Jugg.]
Erendis Barsen'thor [Human Jedi Shadow] | Darth Kamul [Zabrak Sith Assassin]

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Aurbere
01.30.2014 , 09:36 PM | #986
Necro! I know, I know. Shame on me, right? Well I have some concerns about this list. Specifically Saba's position.

Are we certain she is more powerful than Satele? Is she even deserving of a place here? I did argue for her previously, but I did some hard thinking and I think there may need to be some adjustments.

Now if you don't want to consider this, go ahead and shout at me for the necro. I find solace in the fact that it wasn't a Revan vs. thread.
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tunewalker
01.31.2014 , 01:57 AM | #987
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Necro! I know, I know. Shame on me, right? Well I have some concerns about this list. Specifically Saba's position.

Are we certain she is more powerful than Satele? Is she even deserving of a place here? I did argue for her previously, but I did some hard thinking and I think there may need to be some adjustments.

Now if you don't want to consider this, go ahead and shout at me for the necro. I find solace in the fact that it wasn't a Revan vs. thread.
I am actually thinking you may be correct here I think Satele may be above Saba, but I dont know about her off the list I cant think of some one to knock her off the list entirely. Though I will say I also think Sateele should be above Meetra as well.

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Selenial
01.31.2014 , 04:26 AM | #988
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I am actually thinking you may be correct here I think Satele may be above Saba, but I dont know about her off the list I cant think of some one to knock her off the list entirely. Though I will say I also think Sateele should be above Meetra as well.
You guys drastically underestimate Kotor Characters sometimes.
Not sure if it's because you don't like Traya, or you didn't like the plot, stopping you from playing of learning about it (all valid reasons) but look at it objectively here.

She achieved force Enlightmen, an ability requiring as much devotion to the Light as force light.
She could sever people from the force from even her time as a Padawan.
She bested an incredibly powerful dark lord in a force nexus, then severed another one.
She took on Nihilus, even when weakened he was a force to be reckoned with.
She could use Battle Meditation.
She returned during the Cold War to aide the Jedi, WHILST feeding power to revan for 300 years.

And that's just scratching the surface, sorry, Satele can't compare.
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Selenial
01.31.2014 , 04:32 AM | #989
Im starting to think, with Yodas DR quote, shouldn't he be higher than Sidious on the overall list?
The Mandalorian Wars were a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion. Culminating in a final atrocity that no Jedi could walk away fromů save one.
Zarys Sorcerer Cathinka Scoundrel
Force In Balance - The Harbinger

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tunewalker
01.31.2014 , 06:07 AM | #990
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You guys drastically underestimate Kotor Characters sometimes.
Not sure if it's because you don't like Traya, or you didn't like the plot, stopping you from playing of learning about it (all valid reasons) but look at it objectively here.

She achieved force Enlightmen, an ability requiring as much devotion to the Light as force light.
She could sever people from the force from even her time as a Padawan.
She bested an incredibly powerful dark lord in a force nexus, then severed another one.
She took on Nihilus, even when weakened he was a force to be reckoned with.
She could use Battle Meditation.
She returned during the Cold War to aide the Jedi, WHILST feeding power to revan for 300 years.

And that's just scratching the surface, sorry, Satele can't compare.
the first i believe may have just been a game mechanic
the problem with the second is every one is innately good with different powers all this says is she is innately good with Sever Force.
The power of both opponents is debatable especially Sion who's powers were mostly used to keep him alive, beyond those he hasnt done anything that impressive and its possible the amount of power it took him to keep himself alive kept him from being able to channel that energy into other things while Meetra could use her powers as she saw fit for anything.
We dont know how weakened he was its difficult to determine
So could many many other Jedi that aren't on this list its nothing worth noting
She was dead Force Ghosts arent considered last i checked.

Sateele can Absolutely compare she faced argueably equal and possibly STRONGER opponents as well has more impressive Neutral feats, Feats done against non-force sensitive or inanimate things, which is something that cant be disputed as her opponents being over hyped. That to me is why Sateele gets the edge. Both faced powerful opponents of which both opponents could be overly hyped so the one that has the better Neutral feats is the one that is truly better while the other is exactly as they appear to be... Over Hyped.