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The REAL Most Powerful Force Users

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The REAL Most Powerful Force Users

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Selenial
08.07.2013 , 05:01 AM | #701
Quote: Originally Posted by Royox View Post
After reading the Revan book...I don't care what Lucas said...Darth Vitiate is the most powerfull Sith have ever been. FFS he was able to "eat" the force and life of an entire planet and almost did the same with the whole galaxy (the Knight stops him just in time). So no...Palpatine is a mere insect near Vitiate.
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Palpatine > Vitiate. We all know that story, we all read Revan, we debated, and we decided Sidious is still stronger because this thread is Raw Power.
Vitiate accomplished that through a ritual, with 'willing' sith, while Papa palps quite literally destroyed fleets with his raw power. He probably could have done that ritual too, if there were more sith, and his goal was to be alone in the world. But no, his goal was to rule the galaxy, can't do that if everyone is dead
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08.07.2013 , 07:19 AM | #702
And what about the people who absorbed the Valley of the Jedi power? The one who has that power should be able to "make an entire solar system to vanish with a whisp".

I'm pretty noob in those "Force users discussions" and I wanna know :_

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08.07.2013 , 09:00 AM | #703
1. Vitiate
2. Sidious
3. Vader (he had the potential to become more powerful than Sidious but in the end failed)
4. Yoda
5. Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion (both were unbeatable)
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08.07.2013 , 09:02 AM | #704
Quote: Originally Posted by Deviss View Post
1. Vitiate
2. Sidious
3. Vader (he had the potential to become more powerful than Sidious but in the end failed)
4. Yoda
5. Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion (both were unbeatable)
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09.28.2013 , 08:39 PM | #705
Sorry to necro this thread but I think Abeloth (and the Father, Son & Daughter) of Mortis is/are the most powerful force user ever if based on force power only, maybe the dread masters would be up there too and the emperor (vitiate). All the other dark lords used deception and cunning after Darth Bane's rule of 2, and beforehand no one sith could claim to be all powerfull.

Maybe Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun or even King Adas of the sith on Korriban could have been the most powerfull, or on the other hand many of the Jedi who had in fact turned to the Sith, perhaps were even more powerful in the force?

Galen Marek was exceptionally powerful and gifted in the force, as was Revan and many of the characters from the movies, Yoda, Mace Windu, Qui Gon Jinn, Anakin & Luke etc...

I think it seems a bit too easy for people to say Palpatine is the greatest force user of all time, as he himself was just an instrument of the darkside in a plot that had been set in action 1000 years before.
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09.28.2013 , 09:48 PM | #706
Quote: Originally Posted by Eastiano View Post
Sorry to necro this thread but I think Abeloth (and the Father, Son & Daughter) of Mortis is/are the most powerful force user ever if based on force power only, maybe the dread masters would be up there too and the emperor (vitiate). All the other dark lords used deception and cunning after Darth Bane's rule of 2, and beforehand no one sith could claim to be all powerfull.

Maybe Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun or even King Adas of the sith on Korriban could have been the most powerfull, or on the other hand many of the Jedi who had in fact turned to the Sith, perhaps were even more powerful in the force?

Galen Marek was exceptionally powerful and gifted in the force, as was Revan and many of the characters from the movies, Yoda, Mace Windu, Qui Gon Jinn, Anakin & Luke etc...

I think it seems a bit too easy for people to say Palpatine is the greatest force user of all time, as he himself was just an instrument of the darkside in a plot that had been set in action 1000 years before.
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Kaedusz
09.29.2013 , 02:16 PM | #707
Quote: Originally Posted by Eastiano View Post
Sorry to necro this thread but I think Abeloth (and the Father, Son & Daughter) of Mortis is/are the most powerful force user ever if based on force power only, maybe the dread masters would be up there too and the emperor (vitiate). All the other dark lords used deception and cunning after Darth Bane's rule of 2, and beforehand no one sith could claim to be all powerfull.

Maybe Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun or even King Adas of the sith on Korriban could have been the most powerfull, or on the other hand many of the Jedi who had in fact turned to the Sith, perhaps were even more powerful in the force?

Galen Marek was exceptionally powerful and gifted in the force, as was Revan and many of the characters from the movies, Yoda, Mace Windu, Qui Gon Jinn, Anakin & Luke etc...

I think it seems a bit too easy for people to say Palpatine is the greatest force user of all time, as he himself was just an instrument of the darkside in a plot that had been set in action 1000 years before.
This guy is not speaking untruths.

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Beniboybling
09.29.2013 , 02:25 PM | #708
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This guy is not speaking untruths.
His suggestions go against the rules unfortunately. Its right there in the OP: I'm going to exclude deities etc. such as the Ones, Abeloth and the rest.

In terms of the Dread Masters, they are a group. Individually I doubt they are as powerful. That said we do not know so we shouldn't even bother considering it, less we fall into the quagmire of speculation.

Ancient Sith Lords are also not being considered for similar reasons, so no Ragnos, no Adas etc. Galen Marek is already on the list, as is Yoda, as is Luke. Anakin is here in the form of Vader, who it should be noted narrowly surpassed Exar Kun. Though that at least is open to some discussion.

And yes, its easy to say Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lords, because we have been told it time and time again. Futhermore his background and context are irrelevant (and too frequently brought up) in regards to Force power.

That said he was the pinnacle of the Rule of Two. Give that some thought.

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Kaedusz
09.29.2013 , 02:36 PM | #709
^the last sentence.
In regards to what he did, i would give more weight in regards to his success ,to the pinnacle of the Sith Imperative and his execution of it.I would give less weight to his supposed pinnacle of strength and power.After all the Rule of Two undermines the Republic and the Jedi through deception , treachery and manipulations,a conspiracy,not through strength of arms.
With that said i am not underestimating his power in the Force and the way he and Plagueis clowded it in darkness prior to the movies.

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Palpatine > Vitiate. We all know that story, we all read Revan, we debated, and we decided Sidious is still stronger because this thread is Raw Power.
Vitiate accomplished that through a ritual, with 'willing' sith, while Papa palps quite literally destroyed fleets with his raw power. He probably could have done that ritual too, if there were more sith, and his goal was to be alone in the world. But no, his goal was to rule the galaxy, can't do that if everyone is dead [/COLOR]
Who cares what you debated and decided( i can assume you are not talking just about this thread,in the context of responding to that guy).The forum is not just 3,4 ppl that color theirs posts and a few more.
What Vitiate accomplished through ritual could only be accomplished through ritual.What Palpatine does ,does not require a ritual,that's why he is not using a ritual.And there goes the ritual argument.I know ... you must be confused.

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Aurbere
09.29.2013 , 02:57 PM | #710
Unfortunately, Vitiate supporters, Sidious' position can't be challenged because he is canonically the most powerful Sith Lord. And, no, Vitiate's supposed transcendence does not mean that he can be considered superior to Sidious.

Simply put, he lacks the power, no matter what we consider him.
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