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The BattleZone Reboot Round 1 Match 08: Quinlan Vos vs. Savage Opress

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The BattleZone Reboot Round 1 Match 08: Quinlan Vos vs. Savage Opress

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Aurbere
05.25.2013 , 12:51 PM | #1
Welcome to another exciting edition of The BattleZone! I apologize for the long delay, but better late than never.

Our previous match saw Asajj Ventress defeat Darth Maul through superior planning and tactics.

This match will see the Jedi double-agent Quinlan Vos face Asajj Ventress' monster.

Battlefield: Devaron

Lightsaber Skill:

Quinlan Vos:

Quinlan Vos was a master of the fourth form of lightsaber combat, Ataru, and he was trained in Shien. He was also trained in Makashi by Count Dooku during his time as a double-agent.

Most notably, Quinlan Vos was trained to use Vaapad by Sora Bulq. During their final confrontation, Vos mastered the mental and spiritual aspects of Vaapad by taking in Sora Bulq's darkness and still remaining a Jedi. He had achieved a greater mastery of the form than Sora Bulq had, and was speculated by Mace Windu to have a greater mastery than he let on.

While Quinlan Vos had mastered the mental and spiritual aspects of Vaapad, he was only taught the basic lightsaber maneuvers of the form.

Savage Opress:

Savage Opress is unskilled. At least in the sense that skill is defined. Savage relies on raw power and brute force to overwhelm his opponents. This is crude, but effective, and has allowed him to defeat opponents such as Adi Gallia, Asajj Ventress, and Count Dooku.

Savage's reliance on brute force is effective, but leaves him at a disadvantage against agile opponents. However, he did possess some agility to deal with agile opponents.

Edge: Even though Quinlan Vos was warned by Mace Windu to never use Vaapad, this was prior to his final duel with Sora Bulq. It is likely that Vos will use Vaapad against Savage, which gives him the edge.

Physicality:

Quinlan Vos:

Quinlan Vos is an average built Kiffar. He is very agile, but, other than that, has no other physical advantages or detriments.

Savage Opress:

The use of Nightsister Magic on Savage has greatly enhanced his physical capabilities. He has increased strength and endurance. He is also resistant to pain, able to shrug off most blows and even lightsaber wounds.

Edge: While Quinlan Vos is quick, Savage Opress is simply built superior thanks to the Nightsister magics.

Mentality:

Quinlan Vos:

Quinlan Vos showed a "do what must be done" attitude that proved vital in maintaining his cover. He was forced to battle his fellow Jedi, and commit evil acts.

Vos was also devoted to the Light Side, proving able to resist his inner darkness and master the mental and spiritual aspects of Vaapad.

However, Vos is prone to mental irritation. Taunting, or the Sith tactic Don Moch, are able to provoke him into a violent rage.

Savage Opress:

Savage Opress is a brutal warrior. He held a very strong will and little remorse. After his transformation, he was more than willing to kill his brother and other innocent beings. He was loyal to his Sith Lord brother and Mother Talzin. He also relishes in seeing his enemies suffer.

Savage Opress eventually became a level-headed warrior, but still lacked tactical forethought, and often acted without thinking of the consequences.

Edge: Both of them hold similar combat mentalities, resulting in a difficult decision in this area. While Quinlan Vos is prone to being enraged, it is unlikely that Savage has any familiarity with Dun Moch, and has never been shown to taunt his foes in combat. However, Savage's lack of forethought and disregard of consequences can be exploited by cunning warriors. Quinlan Vos gets the edge.

Force Abilities:

Quinlan Vos:

Quinlan Vos had the natural ability to use psychometry, an ability that lets him read images from objects or the dead. During his training with Count Dooku, this ability was expanded upon, giving Vos the ability to read the living. This allowed him to pry memories from the minds of his enemies.

Quinlan Vos was also capable of dark side Force techniques such as Force lightning, but his application of the technique was fairly weak. Count Dooku further instructed him in these techniques during Vos' time as a double-agent.

Savage Opress:

After his transformation, Savage Opress became a powerful Dark Side force user. He was proficient in the use of Force Choke. He was also capable of using Force Repulse instinctively.

Edge: While Quinlan Vos is a powerful Jedi, many of his combative applications of the Force are fairly weak compared to Savage's brute power.

(Note that when I give the edge to someone, it is only my opinion)

So who will win? Who is truly superior?
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Aurbere
05.25.2013 , 01:06 PM | #2
Accidentaly copied in the Vodo Baas vs. Thon title. Hence the "Reboot"
Added Chapter 34 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Wolfninjajedi
05.25.2013 , 01:33 PM | #3
Vos, I mean while Savage is good in some respects such as strength and will. In the end he is just a big brute who lacks any real skill in using a lightsaber, noting that its sloppy and unrefined along with his tactical forethought that is gonna be his downfall here. While Savage did kill Adi Gallia, she never really made a big impression for me in terms of her fighting ability.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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Beniboybling
05.25.2013 , 04:14 PM | #4
Disclaimer: I promise not to change sides this time, promise!

Anyway, I'm rooting for Savage Oppress. Why? Two words: RAW POWER.

This man, if he can even be called that, is a tank and can power through practically anything. First let's just go other a few of his feats pertaining to power:

  • Effortlessly bats away battle droids, clone troopers and a Jedi Padawan with a halberd. I mean just look at that guy, he is seriously pumped on Nightsister juice.

  • With a single lightsaber strike Savage managed to send Dooku flying across the room, knocking his lightsaber out of his hand and momentarily stunning him.

  • In a similar manner, he knocked both Kenobi and Anakin off their feet after charging at them, sending them flying against the adjacent wall.

  • Sustained and absorbed blaster fire at nigh point-blank range from at least 3 droidekas a half a dozen or so B1 battle droids and another half-dozen B2's. Yet took seemingly no physical damage.

  • In mid-battle, he ripped Jedi Master Plo Koon's mask from his face.

  • Survived being blasted at with starfighter laser cannons.

  • Overwhelmed Jedi Council member Adi Gallia through brute force.

  • Sustained 4 kicks from Adi and Obi-Wan before on the 5th his leg finally gave way.

  • Headbutted Darth Sidious THE Dark Lord of the Sith which sent him flying off the platform.

  • And then this, just because.

With this kind of strength and endurance on his side Quinlan Vos will simply be blown away. His lightsaber skills will be rendered relatively useless in the same way it would be useless to attempt to defend against a moving truck with a sword. KAPOW.

Nonetheless Opress' lightsaber skills are far from lacking, and more than sufficient to go toe-to-toe with Vos. Opress may have begun sloppily but he technique quickly grew refined. Able to go toe-to-toe with Plo Koon (whom he would likely have killed) and did kill Adi Gallia, a Jedi Council Member who was supposedly highly skilled with a lightsaber. And finally he managed to go toe-to-toe with Darth Sidious. Albeit with the help of his brother but nonetheless their 'tag-team' style was flawless and Savage managed to keep up with Sidious' agility. Indeed his incredible speed is obvious with his duel with the Jedi Master of Devaron, whose attacks he easily dodged and then proceeded to swiftly disarm the Jedi and kill him.

He force abilities will also give him a considerable edge. He has frequently shown use of the Force, outside and inside combat. In particular he managed to Force push a T-6 shuttle of its landing platform and used to the Force to blast Obi and Anakin off him and in an immense Force wave destroy dozens of battle droids and knock Obi and Anakin to the ground again.

So altogether, while Vos may have an edge in lightsaber combat his skills are not strong enough to completely overwhelm Savage, who is also a highly competent duelist. And ultimately he will be himself overwhelmed by a combination of brute strength and Force prowess from Savage. Savage wins.

P.S. Aurbere you can change the title if you want by editing your OP... though it might be to late now.

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Beniboybling
05.25.2013 , 04:26 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Vos, I mean while Savage is good in some respects such as strength and will. In the end he is just a big brute who lacks any real skill in using a lightsaber, noting that its sloppy and unrefined along with his tactical forethought that is gonna be his downfall here. While Savage did kill Adi Gallia, she never really made a big impression for me in terms of her fighting ability.
Sloppy and unrefined? See here, despite being exhausted he lasts roughly 14 times longer than some of the most skilled lightsaber duelists of the Jedi Order manage to do against Sidious. A vast improvement from before when he could not even land a hit against Dooku (although when he did Dooku was sent flying.)

And before that, in his less skilled stages, he managed to hold his own against Kenobi and Anakin and push them back on the defensive with fairly refined and precise attacks - making clever and effective use of his double-bladed weapon. Which may I add is an extremely difficult weapon to master. Then he proceeds to display an impressive feat of blaster deflection matched only by a Soresu master.

Still, he is no master. Yet he does possess sufficient skill.

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Wolfninjajedi
05.25.2013 , 04:33 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Sloppy and unrefined? See here, despite being exhausted he lasts roughly 14 times longer than some of the most skilled lightsaber duelists of the Jedi Order manage to do against Sidious. A vast improvement from before when he could not even land a hit against Dooku (although when he did Dooku was sent flying.)

And before that, in his less skilled stages, he managed to hold his own against Kenobi and Anakin and push them back on the defensive with fairly refined and precise attacks. Then proceeds to display an impressive feat of blaster deflection matched only by a Soresu master.

Still, he is no master. Yet he does possess sufficient skill.
Compared to others? Yes his skill with a saber is mostly relying on brute strength not so much actual skill, that isn't to say he doesn't have any but he is more a bull rusher...and yes that Sidious fight and then what happens when he was separated from Maul? He was killed, and really TCW seemed to water down some of the characters to make for more exciting duels but even then Sidious seemed to just make a game of it.

All I am seeing in that vid with him fighting Obi-Wan and Anakin is them being pushed back by his brute strength, they hardly dueled him at all given the next scene we see is all of them fighting against droids.

His brute strength is what gives him an edge in dueling, but that will only get him so far.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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Aurbere
05.25.2013 , 04:40 PM | #7
Beni, if I may point something out real quick.

You suggest that Savage could have killed Plo Koon. On this I agree. But not through superior Lightsaber skill. Just moments before Savage took Plo Koon's mask off, Plo Koon nearly removed Savage's leg.

I am of the opinion that, had Plo Koon's mask not been removed, he would have bested Savage, or Maul would have intervened (consdiering that he had just schooled two Jedi Masters when Savage got Plo Koon's mask away).

Just my opinion. I guess we won't know what would have happened because Savage is a cheating scumbag.
Added Chapter 34 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Beniboybling
05.25.2013 , 04:45 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Compared to others? Yes his skill with a saber is mostly relying on brute strength not so much actual skill, that isn't to say he doesn't have any but he is more a bull rusher...and yes that Sidious fight and then what happens when he was separated from Maul? He was killed with rather ease.

All I am seeing in that vid with him fighting Obi-Wan and Anakin is them being pushed back by his brute strength, they hardly dueled him at all given the next scene we see is all of them fighting against droids.
Who isn't? This is Darth Sidious we are talking about whom despite being outnumbered managed to slaughter three Jedi Council members and highly skilled duelists within seconds.

Yes he uses brute strength, but is that so bad? In his duel with Kenobi and Anakin he uses that strength to keep two of the most skilled lightsaber duelists of the day on the defensive. However I'm am arguing that Opress has enough skill go toe-to-toe with Vos, rather than being completely evaded like he was with Dooku. He has strength and the skill to apply it.

And next we see him deflect blaster bolts from 15+ shooters, roughly three of which are Droideka's which possess twin blaster cannons with enough firepower to send Jedi running. Note that a Soresu master's limit was roughly 20 shooters. Oppress has likely no training whatsoever in Soresu and yet managed to defend against 15 for a short period of time. That is impressive and a testament to his skill and ability to both learn and adapt exceptionally quickly.

Also note my edit, Oppress is wielding a saberstaff and to quote Wookieepedia:

Special training was required to wield the weapon effectively, with those attempting to use it without such discipline likely to bisect or impale themselves.

Someone lacking in skill with a lightsaber would not be able to wield a saberstaff. Another testament to his natural abilities and quick learning. Also such an exotic weapon would give him a further edge against Vos.

P.S. Aurbere what you say is true, but it is a display of one thing: how Savage is able to overwhelm and defeat more skilled opponents with unexpected and immense strength. Just take a look at Dooku - far far more skilled yet disarmed with a single strike. And Vos can't rely on lightning to save him if the same thing happens.

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Wolfninjajedi
05.25.2013 , 04:48 PM | #9
Well Savage before hand was already skilled in using pole like weapons, so a saberstaff wouldn't be anything new to him as he would already be accustomed to it while wielding Nightsister weapons. As far as basic application is applied, he may need to learn some more finer things to it but the basics it seemed he would already have it pat down.

Am not saying his brute strength won't work for him, it clearly does however it won't save him forever.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

Maucs the Tauntaun King, former SWG player.

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Beniboybling
05.25.2013 , 04:51 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Well Savage before hand was already skilled in using pole like weapons, so a saberstaff wouldn't be anything new to him as he would already be accustomed to it while wielding Nightsister weapons. As far as basic application is applied, he may need to learn some more finer things to it but the basics it seemed he would already have it pat down.

Am not saying his brute strength won't work for him, it clearly does however it won't save him forever.
That is true, I didn't consider that. Oppress was likely skilled with a Zhaboka as Maul was.

And unless Vos can evade or outsmart Opress - brute strength will be his doom. And I believe any application of tactics will come to little too late. Opress will hit hard and fast and deflect any spin balls with Force-based attacks.