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please stop telling people to " Go look it up online"!!

STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > Flashpoints, Operations, and Heroic Missions
please stop telling people to " Go look it up online"!!

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Seireeni
05.06.2013 , 12:44 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by NoFishing View Post
The group either waits while you go read something already written about the fight.....or they wait while someone types out the mechanics for the umpteenth time because people can't be asked to go read something outside of the game.

We don't mind explaining mechanics in voice chat (and you will be invited to our guild's voice chat if you are joining us as a PuG, and strongly encouraged to join if you have not done the fights before). Because it is faster, clearer, and you can be reminded of upcoming phases during the fight. But if you force me to type them out, the entirety of the instructions you are going to get are "don't suck". If I'm charitable, and you are a tank, you might get "tank sunder, don't let him catch you or anyone else, CD on The End....and don't suck!"
Funny thing is, always if I join a ops/fp I'm unsure of or it's my first time (no matter if I have read a boss quide or not, because reading all the bosses at the same time doesn't help me remember all that), I ask if someone can explain the strategies or give me a moment to look up the strategies online before the fight. Every single time people have preferred to explain the tactics.
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Astarica
05.06.2013 , 01:03 PM | #12
Someone with personal experience is likely better at explaining the encounter compared to a guide, because any strat is dependent on the person executing it. Since you have at least one person who ran something successfully before where he is a participiant, you'd assume what he knows is consistent with at least 1 piece of the encounter held constant, namely the guy explaining it. While most online guides have improved, they are generally still pretty bad at accounting for the fact that various groups have vastly different strengths/weaknesses. Of course usually the guy explaining it doesn't know either, but he should be a better first choice than a guide.

Honestly guides should be written like WoW's dungeon journals where it just lists what each abilities do and any noteworthy quirks. Trying to make any assumption about another group's capability is usually just a bad idea. It's better to say 'these adds hit for 5K and spawn 5 at a time with 50K HP each" and let whoever's reading figure out if they should burn it down or just tough it out. Depending on that group's capability both choices may be perfectly valid.

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CyberTronX
05.06.2013 , 01:08 PM | #13
I enjoy reading mechanics before I engage in them. I'm also a huge fan of the "I'm new to this boss / FP, could someone please mention mechanics".

If someone says that, I will endeavor to explain each boss as succinctly as possible, because since the guy has asked for advice, he's gonna be actively wanting to listen to it.

I also believe if you have a decent amount of situational awareness, combined with intelligence, you can do ANY HM FP without knowing about mechanics beforehand.

Big circle under your feet and the boss did it? Probably not good for you to be in. Clickable thing beside the boss? Probably needs to be clicked when the boss does some sort of "rawr I'm immune till you hit this button" type of deal.

Adds in the fight? If they have less hp than the boss, and are going for something / the healer, probably meant to die. If they have more than the boss, or some immunity, or hit like a noodle, hit the boss and ignore them...

It's simple logic combined with being semi-smart and aware that can get you through anything you don't really know yet in terms of mechanics. If you don't wanna read stuff up, simply pay attention to more than your bars and use your noodle while you fight and you'll do fine.

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Brittaany_Banks
05.06.2013 , 01:22 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Frog_brains View Post
As the tittle states, please stop telling people to go look something up online. Almost daily I see someone ask a perfectly acceptable question over general, and there are people who take the time to try to help the person out. ie on makeb the h4 savage skies, "how do you destroy the turrets?" we've all been there. we were all confused for a second, then either figured it out or got a response from the in game community. we said, Ty, they responded Yw, and we moved on. But there's always people who's default answer is to tab out and check online!

I mean are these people completely relying on outside sources to learn to play the game. I might be in the minority but i like to 'learn' how to play the game by 'playing' the game and not having it scripted to me by someone outside! it happened to last week on makeb doing the weekly [toboros courtyard] where you kill the golden fury "boss droid". The ops leader kept spamming 'oh make sure you check online for tactics blah, blah, blah' i dropped group because i can't stand that. I found another group recently that needed a tank, now my tank is in full 69 gear augmented and i've got over 38k health, and i've also tanked every boss, in every FP, Op, world boss fight there is I know how to tank. just give me the basics and i'll be fine! I don't need /want to have to tab out of a game to learn how to play it! I can learn to play the game from playing the game! (wow what a concept!) oh and btw for those that don't know how easy that fight is here let me explain it!

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This is not an overly complex mechanic! and definately easily explained in chat in game.

If you're the type of player who wants to be given everything, doesn't like surprises and wants to have your hand held throughout the entire game (and unfortunately there are people like that) then go ahead go to the website and spoil everything for yourself. But there's no content in this game that a decent player can't figure out through playing it a couple of times or just with a few tips typed in through chat.
In most cases when people ask questions like "how do you destroy the turrets" It requires a lengthy answer. One people do not feel like typing out in general chat due to the specific nature of how to tackle the mechanic, as well as the character limit.

To be honest you should be looking it up FIRST and THEN asking in general if you have any questions.
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CyberTronX
05.06.2013 , 01:32 PM | #15
If a particular mechanic requires a long *** answer, I'd rather say something like "stand here, and observe us do this mechanic. Next time, you can be the one to do it". Saves the explanation, the guy then knows where to be, and responsibility is taken off him till he knows what to do. A competent player will see what's being done and be able to do it the next time around.

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ScarletBlaze
05.06.2013 , 01:33 PM | #16
We rarely use guides in my guild to learn the flashpoint or heroics. We actually have fun learning to do them and learning each other's abilities in the specific flashpoint or heroic .

But there are some people that want everyone to do this because a lot of times they are trying to rush through something and maybe that is fun for them but it is not fun for everyone.

There is no right or wrong way to do flashpoints and the ones that say yes you have to read the guides I will say no you don't have to. It may be what you like but like people say take everyone that is in the group in account. If there are more that don't want to read the guide and want to experience first hand than that is the way it should be done but if more want to read the guide then that is the way it should be done.

If you are going to Pug then I would suggest you find out what they expect and if it isn't what you like don't join. Find a group that is more your style and that way you will enjoy it which is the purpose of the game.

Also remember your idea of fun may be different than some. Just because some want to look up the stuff on the internet doesn't mean everyone does. We all need to remember there are different types of people and just because you may be one that likes to read about things before hand doesn't mean the next person should and we should not expect everyone to play as we do. We all need to learn patience and realize why our style of play may work for us it may not work for someone else.

That said be sure to check your gear. Even if you have modable stuff upgrade if it is not what you need for the flashpoint or heroic you are doing.
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RocketWoofus
05.06.2013 , 03:23 PM | #17
Sorry, I normally sit on the sidelines, but I have to reply to this one. I agree with the replies that suggest reading up on it first, then ask when you get there in game. I have helped so many folks in-game I have long lost count, and yes in voice is so much easier, especially when the person you are trying to explain it to is literally bouncing around the screen while they sort-of wait for you to type. I find I can't send paragraphs or even complete sentences many times before the novice has triggered the fight intentionally or accidentally. I have quit doing the early ops of KP, or EV because of all the novices who don't bother to study the run before hand. As the Gree ops encounter proved over and over, the veterans grow tired of explaining and "disconnect" so we bring in more new folks and start the typing all over again. The Toborro's Courtyard run yesterday was a classic. Novice tank with purple 66s and a 69, but a blue 58 saber hilt, had it explained to him twice with insta- wipe results when he couldn't even turn the boss away from the rest of the group and we stole agro on multiple occasions.
I don't mind helping, but you have to put some effort in yourself. The double points weekends put many seriously undergeared folks to level 50, and now they are showing up in the levl 55 flashpoint and ops runs with minimal class skills, and a carry-me-through-this attitude. Start by buying or crafting a purple 66 barrel or saber hilt. Most of these are gear check runs with serious enrage challenges for undergeared folks. That barrel or hilt costs less than the payouts from a single weekly Black Hole or Section X run. It isn't the only determiner of damage, agro, or heal ability, but it sure helps. Do some homework, get properly ready with some Basic gear, and let's go have some fun!

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Ansalem
05.06.2013 , 03:44 PM | #18
hrm if the OP had googled it he would have seen people have posted about similiar things in the past...

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MichelvanMeerten
05.06.2013 , 11:26 PM | #19
Sorry but when I start an OPS formed with pugs for KP/EV. I expect them to look up strategies. You'll get kicked instantly. I cba to explain year old contend for the lazy.

If doing EC I do little tactics and thats it
TfB and SV I do not pug since most pugs are clueless derps from Groupfinder who just want to get carried while doing ****all

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Lordmird
05.06.2013 , 11:38 PM | #20
Go look it up online.
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