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Stances for All


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Tragamite
05.03.2013 , 01:26 PM | #1
Bounty Hunter/Trooper, Warrior/Knight and Assasin/Shadow all have stances that improve what they are trying to achieve yet 1 class and 1 AC do not demonstrate intention or gain benifit from that they are trying to achieve.

In PvP Stances are great, you can tell the role of the character and make prepreations to utilize the role.

Yet with Sorc/Sage and Op/Scoundrel you have to guess unless they are using tier gear. Why not offer stances to ALL Classes and skills that help optimize the role of a character.

For Instance Warrior/Knights have 3 stances (One is a tree learned) with 1 being different based on AC.

Assasin/Shadows have 3 stances 2 of which could easily tanslate to the Sorc/Sage and only a healing would need to be mirrored against the Tank variety.

Ops/Scoundrels and Sniper/Slingers could share 2 of 3 stances like the Trooper/Hunters do and then 1 could be given to each individually. Like the Warrior/Knight, the Sniper/slinger could need to skill into one while the Ops/Scoundrel could be given a healing stance.

I know we'd all like to stay away from cookie cutter layouts but IMO I think this would help players better identify who is what so they can better assist each other in both PvE and PvP.

What do you think?
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Caelrie
05.03.2013 , 02:31 PM | #2
Why don't we just make a huge sign over a character's head that says "I'm a healer!" or "I'm a tank!" so you don't have to adapt at all?

Seriously, your suggestion offers nothing at all to my sorc or my operative that I want. I can't think of any benefit to either class whatsoever.

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VigDiath
05.03.2013 , 02:35 PM | #3
While I do not agree with all classes needing a 'stance' I've often wondered why they didn't give all the classes a stance especially Sages and Sorcs. They could benefit from a stance that improves healing or dps or offers a force stance based on the tree they are in.

I don't need to see a stance in pvp to be able to fight someone effectively. I can usually adapt based on the abilities they are using on me.
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SamuraBob_Fl
05.03.2013 , 02:53 PM | #4
"Forms/stances" are a mechanic that allows for partial hybridization (a dps merc can switch cylinders and off-heal in a pinch) or they restrict some abilities to a spec (an Annihlation marauder doesn't get Ataru form hits or things that trigger from it)."

It's not there so you can identify someone's role.
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Tragamite
05.04.2013 , 09:40 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Caelrie View Post
Why don't we just make a huge sign over a character's head that says "I'm a healer!" or "I'm a tank!" so you don't have to adapt at all?

Seriously, your suggestion offers nothing at all to my sorc or my operative that I want. I can't think of any benefit to either class whatsoever.
Then you're not thinking at all, seriously this could be benificial to those classes.
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Mara Upgrade=Defensive Forms: Shii-Cho Form, dmg Reduced by 2%; Juyo Form, Reduces internal and Elemental dmg by 4%; Ataru Form, increases movement by 15%

Assassins and Shadows do not an upgrade skill the forms for Assassins are Lightning Charge (DPS), Dark Charge (Tanking), and Surging Charge.

Mara Ataru Form and Assassin Surging Charge must be skill built to learn. My ideas for Ops/Scoundrels, Sniper/Slingers and Sorc/Sage could Utilize similar aspects.

Sorc ~ Assassin Charges could be Lightning Charge, Corrupting Charge and Resurgence Charge (healing).

Scoundrels Stances could be Medical Stance, Scrapper Stance and Pugnate Stance

Snipers Stances could be Rifleman Stance, Explosive Stance and Lethal Stance. Explosive Stance (and slinger equal) would be skilled into like Mara Ataru Form.

Charges could be more Offensive (+% to dmg crit) while Stances would be more Defensive (dmg reduce) in nature.


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While I do not agree with all classes needing a 'stance' I've often wondered why they didn't give all the classes a stance especially Sages and Sorcs. They could benefit from a stance that improves healing or dps or offers a force stance based on the tree they are in.

I don't need to see a stance in pvp to be able to fight someone effectively. I can usually adapt based on the abilities they are using on me.
I never said need it would just be nice. And I am not asking this for PvP purposes. In PvE you can better gage Tanking, Damage and Healing based on "stance" of the character and you could better advise players on what they are trying to accomplish based on the role they have selected.

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SamuraBob_Fl

"Forms/stances" are a mechanic that allows for partial hybridization (a dps merc can switch cylinders and off-heal in a pinch) or they restrict some abilities to a spec (an Annihlation marauder doesn't get Ataru form hits or things that trigger from it)."

It's not there so you can identify someone's role.
I think you have that backwards, Forms/Stances are designed to define a role for the character. Hybridyzation would be crossing roles to fit your own play style which I am all for. It would just be a nice touch to be able to roll in a role.
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DarthSpekulatius
05.06.2013 , 06:44 AM | #6
stances are something connected to Lightsabres right??
in that case what in hell has a sage / Sorc to do with them,.. they don't use a sabre

joking aside I don't think it's necessary that being the case my inclination is don't "Fix" things that aren't broken

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Tragamite
05.06.2013 , 03:15 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpekulatius View Post
stances are something connected to Lightsabres right??
in that case what in hell has a sage / Sorc to do with them,.. they don't use a sabre

joking aside I don't think it's necessary that being the case my inclination is don't "Fix" things that aren't broken
I actually feel this could help balance a bit. Where games like this are paper, rock, scissors this could be used.all ACs would have 3 options. You could play those out like; Taking=Rock, Paper=Healers, and DPS=Scissors or Sniper1>Sorc2>Mara3>Sniper1 based simply off the benefits of the stances.

Then they can tweak counters and skills against a specific role.
Whocsllessur Jugg Tank 55, Etim'a'grt Sorc DPS 55, Ruspe-Rurob PT Tank 55, Tolan'dass Snipe DPS 55, Skltor Sin Tank 55 Pesch-rushi Guard Tank 55, Tragamite Scoundrel Heals 55, Slughter Van DPS 55, Sh-R Sage DPS 55

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mdglytt
06.26.2014 , 08:03 PM | #8
I have often wondered why my operative has no stance. The pop-up shield is only suitable for snipers, I never use it. I think of my Operative entirely within a movement (stealth) framework, not a stationary one. Some kind of "movement" stance is, in my opinion, necessary and the lack of a non-stationary stance seems to me to perhaps be some kind of oversight. I think it's worth noting that their are three stance options for all other Imp classes, whereas only one stance option (pop-up shield) for operatives.

As a side note I have my operative crafting Biochem to take advantage of the reusable stims which I kinda think of as a crappy pseudo-stance type thing.

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Zoom_VI
07.01.2014 , 11:45 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by mdglytt View Post
I have often wondered why my operative has no stance. The pop-up shield is only suitable for snipers, I never use it. I think of my Operative entirely within a movement (stealth) framework, not a stationary one. Some kind of "movement" stance is, in my opinion, necessary and the lack of a non-stationary stance seems to me to perhaps be some kind of oversight. I think it's worth noting that their are three stance options for all other Imp classes, whereas only one stance option (pop-up shield) for operatives.

As a side note I have my operative crafting Biochem to take advantage of the reusable stims which I kinda think of as a crappy pseudo-stance type thing.
Operative don't need a stance.

Stances are there primarily for classes that need different passive boosts/effects to each tree. Operative does not have such. Stances are secondly there as a means to prevent hybridization as key talents can be locked to a stance or require the stance's effect. Operatives don't need that either since hybrids are already impossible due to the fact the key talents of a each tree would compete with each other for TA stacks.
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seekerofpower
07.07.2014 , 01:31 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpekulatius View Post
stances are something connected to Lightsabres right??
in that case what in hell has a sage / Sorc to do with them,.. they don't use a sabre

joking aside I don't think it's necessary that being the case my inclination is don't "Fix" things that aren't broken
In KotOR 2 there were lightsaber forms and then there were force forms. Force forms were specifically for people who focused on force powers.

These included:
Force Channel - increased out of combat Force Point regen rates, increased characters resistance to force powers and slight increase to Force Power damage
Force Affinity - increased in-combat Force Point regen rate
Force Potency - Heavy increase to Force Power damage, but made the powers cost more Force Points
Force Mastery - increased duration of Force Powers, lowered enemies resistance to Force Powers, lowered characters resistance to Force Powers and increased Force Point cost

These could easily be adapted. Saying that, I don't think it is necessary, but it would add an interesting mechanic.

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