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Good and bad but I'm still leaving STWOR

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Kittenor
04.30.2013 , 09:16 AM | #1
I just cancelled my subscription but I wanted to post my reasons why here in the hopes that someone may actually read it. Here is what I posted in the "Reasons for canceling your subscription:

"Your art, writing and voice acting teams were all superb. A shame that their excellent efforts were tied to a game design that was sub-par at best. Oversize maps, uninteresting gameplay and combat that never flowed or allowed actual strategy all formed a game that was simply not fun to play. Above and beyond all that, however, was the fact that this game did not play well as a multiplayer game. For years my group of friends have gotten together every Monday to play together. We know how to work as a team, how to control the field of battle and cover for each other. But playing as a four man group we found ourselves bombarded with what we came to call "magic adds". Elite enemies dropping out of nowhere with no chance to crowd control or even arrange our positions. We were wiping on content six levels below us due to two elites and three silvers dropping into fights out of nowhere. Out in the general world we found ourselves taking the same amount of time to do quests six levels below us as we did to finish quests at level. At no point did we feel like our efforts and leveling were actually making us any more powerful, simply raising our hit-points so that our deaths could be slower and more painful. Thus I, my family and my group of friends are all leaving your game. You have a good team of artists, writers and actors but please spend some time and money on some decent game designers."

TL;DR explanation is that I think that the art of this game was well done but the actual game part was horrible.

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JediJonesJr
04.30.2013 , 09:22 AM | #2
wow, is waiting for you...and nothing wrong with that..
Will Return After Lunch and lunch is never over.....

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Kittenor
04.30.2013 , 09:31 AM | #3
Actually, my team went to SWTOR becasue we had played WoW to death (and because we all love Star Wars and Bioware). We won't be going back to WoW for another expansion or three just to make sure we have plenty of content to munch. When you play as a dedicated five man every Monday you move pretty steadily through content.

Anyway, my crew are all going over to Guild Wars 2 for now. The art style is quite lovely and I'm enjoying the clean simplicity of the combat system.

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xxIncubixx
04.30.2013 , 10:12 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Kittenor View Post
Actually, my team went to SWTOR becasue we had played WoW to death (and because we all love Star Wars and Bioware). We won't be going back to WoW for another expansion or three just to make sure we have plenty of content to munch. When you play as a dedicated five man every Monday you move pretty steadily through content.

Anyway, my crew are all going over to Guild Wars 2 for now. The art style is quite lovely and I'm enjoying the clean simplicity of the combat system.
i was almost taking you seriously... and then you mentioned guild wars ... an empty shell of a game.

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Beltane
04.30.2013 , 01:21 PM | #5
Have you been keeping your gear updated? Do you have a healer in your group? Do you use health packs in emergencies and keep your rotation up to date with the most efficient abilities for your build/level?

I ask because I have solo leveled 7 characters to 50 and the gameplay is incredibly easy for me--and I do not consider myself an extraordinarily skilled gamer in the least. I don't understand how a 4 man group could wipe on content 6 levels below them unless the things I mentioned above weren't being met.

What I will agree with is that there are way too many silvers/golds around. The golds definitely have made me wipe when they show up during a fight with a bunch of adds, but I can normally either CC it or, at worst, die, heal up, and take it down with full health. No different from any other MMO, really... eventually you'll die to the golds. Most golds can be avoided by situational awareness though (which I suck at, but still).

I just hate to see people leaving when the game is too hard, when many people complain it's too easy lol.
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TrickyNinja
04.30.2013 , 01:49 PM | #6
I agree with this one. I have regularly found that I can solo quests 2-4 levels above my current level. But that will only work if you are well geared and stay up on your training and skill tree every time you go up one level. It still amazes me to see the drastically different view points on this game. I've seen people say the planets are undersized and content too easy, while OP seems to feel the exact opposite. I really question you saying that you are wiping content 6 levels below your level only because at 5 levels difference, it is almost impossible for them to even hit you. Maybe you are trying to run heroic 4's without a full group or no healer?

Quote: Originally Posted by Beltane View Post
Have you been keeping your gear updated? Do you have a healer in your group? Do you use health packs in emergencies and keep your rotation up to date with the most efficient abilities for your build/level?

I ask because I have solo leveled 7 characters to 50 and the gameplay is incredibly easy for me--and I do not consider myself an extraordinarily skilled gamer in the least. I don't understand how a 4 man group could wipe on content 6 levels below them unless the things I mentioned above weren't being met.

What I will agree with is that there are way too many silvers/golds around. The golds definitely have made me wipe when they show up during a fight with a bunch of adds, but I can normally either CC it or, at worst, die, heal up, and take it down with full health. No different from any other MMO, really... eventually you'll die to the golds. Most golds can be avoided by situational awareness though (which I suck at, but still).

I just hate to see people leaving when the game is too hard, when many people complain it's too easy lol.
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JediJonesJr
04.30.2013 , 02:42 PM | #7
I tried to get into guild wars i find it so boring i would rather play a broken game with bad customer service..

I just played wow so much it was burnout and needed a long break from that game.


Not sure how long i'll stick with swtor i started in beta with this game played at start stopped for a while came back i see that they are still practicing the ignore player concerns feature so i'll be heading out soon, if BW/EA changes there ways i'll stay if not i'm gone i used to buy many EA titles i stopped and was very hesitant when buying this but i said lets give them a chance, all i can say nothing changes at ea just the cover of the case and the same bs .

i guess we can hope but this is one game obi could not pull a rabbit out of his magic hat because those who run it careless about players by the way they downgrade and disregard our complaints.

I would not want to be the spokesmen at the next E3 the barrage is going to be flamed filled by angry players.

One day all the negative reputation will come back to haunt this company and there won't be any bailouts and player support will be limited,might want to do a reverse and change the way of things while you still have a players willing to trust.
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Kittenor
04.30.2013 , 04:29 PM | #8
Yes, we were running a balanced team with a good tank (me), an experienced healer and two DPS capable of stepping into those roles in an emergency. Between the four of us we had every crafting skill covered and were keeping up our gear. I'm not surprised that you didn't notice this problem with a solo character because it doesn't happen when you are solo or in a group of two. It only starts to be noticeable in a group of three and then with a group of four it gets out of hand. The problem is that they seem to have tried to enhance the difficulty for full group by dropping in these "magic adds". We actually experimented to check and no, they do not drop in when you are below three players. Thus we found ourselves being actively punished for trying to run instances and class quests in a group. Since we are a dedicated group who want to run together we decided that SWTOR just was not working for our sort of multiplayer, that is playing the game all the way through together.

As to the comments about GW2, could you please elaborate? Since we are playing it now I would like to know why you so dislike the game. It will help my group to know if there are bad bits later on in the game.

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sdgiasyui
04.30.2013 , 04:33 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Kittenor View Post
Actually, my team went to SWTOR becasue we had played WoW to death (and because we all love Star Wars and Bioware). We won't be going back to WoW for another expansion or three just to make sure we have plenty of content to munch. When you play as a dedicated five man every Monday you move pretty steadily through content.

Anyway, my crew are all going over to Guild Wars 2 for now. The art style is quite lovely and I'm enjoying the clean simplicity of the combat system.
Have fun with Guild Wars 2.You will defently not regret playing that game.Currently im taking a short break from it, cos was playing straight for 6 months, and was burned out.

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sdgiasyui
04.30.2013 , 04:34 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by xxIncubixx View Post
i was almost taking you seriously... and then you mentioned guild wars ... an empty shell of a game.
I really enjoyed Guild wars 2 Better game then swtor on almost every possible way, except story (my opinion), Yet Swtor is still a good game