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The reason why people leave.

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Exzileforgotten
04.27.2013 , 11:56 AM | #41
Here is a good rule of thumb for the internet. It is also much like real life.

Not one single person cares about you or your opinion.

Have a good day.

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sdgiasyui
04.28.2013 , 04:43 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Exzileforgotten View Post
Here is a good rule of thumb for the internet. It is also much like real life.

Not one single person cares about you or your opinion.

Have a good day.
So you speak for everyone here? What about the ppl that care, what about them?
I dont get this guy

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Pokebreaker
04.29.2013 , 02:19 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Scindus View Post
Just going to throw my two cents into the bucket here.
I have played a pretty wide range of mmo's over nearly two decades, and I can honestly say that SWTOR has one of the worst communities from an overall perspective I have ever seen. That is just going off the average of what I witness in General Chat only. I was somewhat staggered by it, having recently come from another smaller mmo that had a smaller, albeit, much tighter community. There, if someone was really a total ******, they would quickly get isolated from 95% of the endgame community. And the GM's would also personally log on at random times, which was something of a moderator system, randomly active yes, but just *knowing* that a GM could possibly be on and see what was being said in open chat, helped to tone down some peoples driving need to run wild with internet anonymity.
I have seen a lot of crap talk, epeen flaunting, and harassment in my years of playing mmo's, but really, SWTOR has taken the crown for having the most saturated amount of this kind of behavior I have *ever* seen. The only time that I do not see an average of 3-4 people spewing bile into general chat, is when I am on during the extremely late night and AM time ranges, the opposite of peak time for server population.

It really is horrible for anyone coming into the game who is expecting or hoping for something of a positive community to try and join. I'm not saying that there isn't some good people, and some good guilds, and therefor, some good social "inner circles" that exist, there certainly is. That is the issue though, those are within there own circles, the majority of those within good guilds, full of good people, likely turn general chat off ( and I cannot blame them in the slightest ) and likely use it as little as possible.
This leaves the average newcomer being assaulted in general chat by a near constant bombardment of appalling behavior without any real sort of moderating taking place, at all. This will give a very negative view of the overall community for those new players coming in who will see that as a representation of the majority and be unaware of how to really go about getting help or into a better social atmosphere without just outright leaving the game. It serves as a giant neon sign for others, telling them that it is completely fine for them to join right in, and let loose with every twisted inner need for attention through hostile, repulsive, and/or extremely explicit rants, remarks, statements, and random commentary.

TL;DR - Overall Community Appearance to the average new player = Atrocious.
Sarcasm, trolling, narcissism, and rants are always present in MMO's, SWTOR just appears to be overflowing with it due to many factors, several of which could definitely be addressed and improved.

Try and remember people, just because your online and not looking someone in the face, doesn't mean that you should ignore the general social attitude of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
Well said, Sir/Ma'am!

I brought a co-worker into SWTOR, as I have only been playing for a little over a month. His most memorable interactions from Day-1 was him asking where to find something in the planet he was on. In which the first three responses were in the realm of "In your mom's A** Hole" and other childish remarks. He never did get a legit answer until he was able to get ahold of me. We actually laugh at those responses, because it reminds us how dumb the population can be.

Or even myself, still feeling as I am constantly learning something new about the game mechanics (seeing as they change every so often). I ask a question in general chat, and am told to Google it, and am ridiculed for not already magically knowing the answer off the top of my head.... My thinking was that I would query the potentially knowledgable live player-base, before having to minimize the game and do external browsing. That way I can ask follow-up questions in the event that a website doesn't have the answer, and takes multiple days to respond to questions. I guess I should have known better than to interrupt a Gen Chat wide conversation about lude sexual acts (sometimes referring to minors), reproductive organ sizes, and/or excited guys getting near nude outfits for their female characters (or the lack thereof). Usually those are happening all at once.

There are occassionaly those that will send me a gracious whisper, answering my questions, and then joking about the a*s hattery of "regulars" in Gen Chat. Those personnel are easily added to the Friend List. As a result, I also find myself being the Whisper guy, answering newcomer or curious player questions (if I know the answer, or a good source to find it).

Other games aren't necessarily any better, but in my experiences, SWTOR community takes the cake. Doesn't take a lifetime of service to a game feel something is wrong. To those that say "If you don't like it, leave, but don't complain". That is the wrong answer overall. We like to SAY that we are in a free world (regardless of nationality), yet some don't understand that the voice of the people (among other things) are what influence change. That doesn't mean that every complaint will be entertained, or is even valid, but if nobody is speaking up, nothing will ever change. How is it that someone feels they have the authority to come in and tell someone to pound sand, meanwhile they themselves are doing what they don't want someone else to do? Hypocritcal, I know.

If content makers (across genres) didn't care about their customer opinion, they wouldn't make the forums or means to communicate with them. Players can easily say "If you don't like it, leave, nobody will miss you", but I wonder if content makers are happy with their CUSTOMERS dismissing other customers? In my opinion, that's the equivalent of standing inside of a business that you frequent (without endorsement from the owner), telling unhappy customers to "Go F*ck Themselves", and that their business won't be missed. I'm sure owners just love their customers letting money walk out of the door, without finding out why.

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badou
04.29.2013 , 03:06 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Pokebreaker View Post
Well said, Sir/Ma'am!

I brought a co-worker into SWTOR, as I have only been playing for a little over a month. His most memorable interactions from Day-1 was him asking where to find something in the planet he was on. In which the first three responses were in the realm of "In your mom's A** Hole" and other childish remarks. He never did get a legit answer until he was able to get ahold of me. We actually laugh at those responses, because it reminds us how dumb the population can be.

Or even myself, still feeling as I am constantly learning something new about the game mechanics (seeing as they change every so often). I ask a question in general chat, and am told to Google it, and am ridiculed for not already magically knowing the answer off the top of my head.... My thinking was that I would query the potentially knowledgable live player-base, before having to minimize the game and do external browsing. That way I can ask follow-up questions in the event that a website doesn't have the answer, and takes multiple days to respond to questions. I guess I should have known better than to interrupt a Gen Chat wide conversation about lude sexual acts (sometimes referring to minors), reproductive organ sizes, and/or excited guys getting near nude outfits for their female characters (or the lack thereof). Usually those are happening all at once.

There are occassionaly those that will send me a gracious whisper, answering my questions, and then joking about the a*s hattery of "regulars" in Gen Chat. Those personnel are easily added to the Friend List. As a result, I also find myself being the Whisper guy, answering newcomer or curious player questions (if I know the answer, or a good source to find it).

Other games aren't necessarily any better, but in my experiences, SWTOR community takes the cake. Doesn't take a lifetime of service to a game feel something is wrong. To those that say "If you don't like it, leave, but don't complain". That is the wrong answer overall. We like to SAY that we are in a free world (regardless of nationality), yet some don't understand that the voice of the people (among other things) are what influence change. That doesn't mean that every complaint will be entertained, or is even valid, but if nobody is speaking up, nothing will ever change. How is it that someone feels they have the authority to come in and tell someone to pound sand, meanwhile they themselves are doing what they don't want someone else to do? Hypocritcal, I know.

If content makers (across genres) didn't care about their customer opinion, they wouldn't make the forums or means to communicate with them. Players can easily say "If you don't like it, leave, nobody will miss you", but I wonder if content makers are happy with their CUSTOMERS dismissing other customers? In my opinion, that's the equivalent of standing inside of a business that you frequent (without endorsement from the owner), telling unhappy customers to "Go F*ck Themselves", and that their business won't be missed. I'm sure owners just love their customers letting money walk out of the door, without finding out why.

Ok the answer about mom is really childish but i also hate ppl coming in an mmo and never even try to see on google or youtube any vids or post about it.Someone was asking in general chat how he opens the settings,someone else how he uses skills.And no they werent trolls they where ppl that have never played any games apparently cause what many ppl ask are almost the same on all mmos or rpg games.Yea the community is bad but i have seen worst trust me there are worst.

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MSchuyler
04.29.2013 , 03:37 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by sdgiasyui View Post
So you speak for everyone here? What about the ppl that care, what about them?
I dont get this guy
Yeah, pretty much. I think we've drifted off the major issue here. OP has one of those "I'm angry and by God I'm gonna take my money and go home!" kind of rants we see on a daily basis. A legitimate reaction to that is to remind OP that his $15 does not grant him any special rights and also, he does not have any useful insights into the game. Indeed, it's laughable when someone makes these sweeping generalization about the coming fate of swtor.

This particular OP titles his thread, "The reason why people leave." But when you read his first post, he obviously has no idea why people leave and no evidence one way or another. He's just angry over a fairly trivial matter. His actual gripe does not justify his title, so he's gotten some flack. If he had said, "I'm angry because..." and did not HIMSELF try to speak for the rest of us, it would not have happened. Now we see folks attempting to turn the thread back on people who are not particularly sympathetic with the OP and we have all these accusations of a poor user community.

The finniest thing about all these is that when you look at past posts, you often find these guys who have threatened to leave making the same threat month after month. They never do really leave.

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Pokebreaker
04.29.2013 , 04:05 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by badou View Post
Ok the answer about mom is really childish but i also hate ppl coming in an mmo and never even try to see on google or youtube any vids or post about it.Someone was asking in general chat how he opens the settings,someone else how he uses skills.And no they werent trolls they where ppl that have never played any games apparently cause what many ppl ask are almost the same on all mmos or rpg games.Yea the community is bad but i have seen worst trust me there are worst.
When it comes to a live in-game community, I feel that the players should field the answers to newcomer questions, and then provide them a reference to find more information. Google should be secondary to live knowledge. When it comes to checking references, that's when Google should come into play, to weed through certain bs. Like when people ask what Crew Skill goes best with what else. I will whisper them saying "I am not sure, but the Codex (explaining how to find the codex) will tell you the skills that go best with on another." This along the lines of the saying "Give a man a fish, and he eats for one day. Teach a man to fish, and he can eat for a lifetime." (That may be misworded a little). The point is, we can unintentionally create more D-Bags by perpetuating nasty behavior towards new folk. We can also create more useful players by being reasonable with them, and controlling the amount of unnecessary insults.

We the players are what create a better player base to interact with. If we can educate newcomers to the basics, and even advanced stages of our games (regardless of how long they've played), we can help create a community that is fun to be around (not saying that everyone doesn't already enjoy their current crowd). I can count on two hands how many people I have found useful too add to my friend list, where the majority are only memorable in order to forewarn others of their presence.

It is common of MMOs and forums, that regulars begin to treat chat as their personal and exclusive place to talk and do whatever. Shunning newcomers, and anyone who may disagree with their comments. I may disagree with someone's OPINION, but it is just that, an opinion. Everyone is entitled to sharing theirs, but they are too often portrayed as fact. I enjoy disagreements, because when done in an educated manner, both sides can potentially learn something new. If "facts" are thrown in to the mix, I like to ask for references, because people will make up all kinds of bs to make their comments sound plausible.

Just sayin'. We the people can make the community better, but there are few willing to stand up to the more vocal ignorants in chat. I'ma have to try turning of Gen Chat, since I don't really get much usefulness out of it.

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LanceCorporalDan
04.29.2013 , 08:00 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by MSchuyler View Post

The finniest thing about all these is that when you look at past posts, you often find these guys who have threatened to leave making the same threat month after month. They never do really leave.
I actually have canceled my subscription as of about a half hour ago

Though I didnt make a thread announcing the fact (I was unaware this was the next step after unsubbing.) I feel the "further comments" box I was provided with was enough to provide a clear explanation as to my leaving.

While I can say that the OP and I have left for different reasons, I can also say that the OP has made quite the blanket statement in doing so.
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IAAIAO
04.30.2013 , 05:07 AM | #48
Yes I've canceled my sub for more than a week now, and I never did such a topic in the past.

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CMoth
04.30.2013 , 06:47 AM | #49
I think people leave because they don't find the environment to their own particular liking. That's fine, it's a natural reaction. It's also a natural reaction for some to voice their displeasure about the environment and describe the cause for the exodus. Some do it politely, as did the OP of this thread, and some do it rudely.

Everybody has their own idea of the environment based on their individual interactions and experiences. Their opinion is only that, an opinion, based on their unique perspective.

As for myself I've had a very positive experience playing this game since a month or so after launch and continue to subscribe. I've mostly played with my brother and a friend or two. I haven't joined a guild because I wouldn't be able to con my brother into it mostly (he's a bit ... picky). I've noticed the odd discussions in general chat but there have also been good informational discussions. If all chat contained was the small tid-bits of "useful" things it would be sterile and dull. At least the weird bacon thread that never leaves gives some kind of filler while grinding.

I've recently started using group finder to run flash-points. So far everyone I've been teamed up with have been helpful and reasonably polite. Even those who started snotty cooled off and started to be helpful once I explained that I've never played most of the FP missions before. Maybe it helped I play a tank most of the time but the end result is an absence of the nightmare being paraded about like it's an albatross around the communities neck.

Bottom line, there are far more decent and helpful people playing this game than not. It's easy to see only the glaring negative when the positive is the majority of the background. Forest for the trees people.

I hope to see you in game.

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Dallayna
04.30.2013 , 08:23 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Karkais View Post
Guess what causes the community to take a dive? It's called free-to-play.

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This ^
I've noticed that too. Things got really, really bad very, very quickly once F2P hit.