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[HEROIC 4] The Shroud's Last Stand. Needs a Nerf!

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[HEROIC 4] The Shroud's Last Stand. Needs a Nerf!

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Themanthatisi
05.06.2013 , 02:11 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Thundergulch View Post
The highlighted part is absolutely 100% false.
My first time doing this was with 2 people that had the quest, and 2 that didn't.
2nd time, I was the only one on the quest.
As long as 1 person has the quest, all they need is 3 other players.
Interesting, if you telling the truth, yet on the previous H4, All The Pieces/Dark Design, you have to have people exactly at that point... That I know as a FACT!

So, even if you can do Last Stand, you can't do All The Pieces/Dark Design... They will get to the platform and told " You are not eligible for this conversation". Oh, the other 2 guys that we joined up with, also tried to get their guild mates to help, they had the same result... If you know a trick I do not, please let us know.

All players must be at that point, you cant even be too far into it, like we all were, at the boss fight when they spammed for help, we had to reset the mission to complete that boss fight as a 4 man team.... That is just stupid or its bugged.

Yeah, my guild was not able to help out, so being in one, for these H4's, has no positive outcome, even though they did try to help.

The OP is still right...

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Werdan
05.06.2013 , 08:18 PM | #82
I went into this quest after reading some of the horror stories and was able to finish it once.....after a few wipes and better communication. While not overly difficult, there are some improvements/changes that I'd like to see.

-This quest needs to be repeatable. The more people its open to, the more likely it will be to complete as the content gets older.

-The reward for such a long chain is not that great. At the very least if it was repeatable and an entire set of armor (one piece per completion) was available it might be worth it. As it stands I doubt I'd repeat this on the rest of my alts.

-There really needs to be priority transports on the planets involved for this and the seeker quests. Also, the order of both chains needs to be reworked a bit as you find yourself repeating planets you've already been to in one chain or the other.

-Add this and the seeker heroic to group finder? Just a thought. The only reason I wound up doing this was because someone was asking for a DPS in gen chat on fleet. The "healer" wasn't specced for heals but we had enough DPS to get through it with me taking lead after reading a guide on it.

This isn't a quest I'd go into purely as a pug unless you knew you had the confidence to communicate with the rest of the group. Again, not overly difficult but I can see where the patience would wear thin in a pug. I wish I remembered the names of everyone who did it with me the one time as they showed the utmost determination to finish it and listen to me.
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Banegio
05.06.2013 , 09:07 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Themanthatisi View Post
Interesting, if you telling the truth, yet on the previous H4, All The Pieces/Dark Design, you have to have people exactly at that point... That I know as a FACT!

So, even if you can do Last Stand, you can't do All The Pieces/Dark Design... They will get to the platform and told " You are not eligible for this conversation". Oh, the other 2 guys that we joined up with, also tried to get their guild mates to help, they had the same result... If you know a trick I do not, please let us know.
I think it is buggy or has been patched.

When I first tried to do "All The Pieces" on my main (2 weeks ago), I asked various guildies for help. Some had fully completed the quest chain; some hadn't started. All of them got the "not eligible" message at the platform. I then completed it after waiting for another guildies to get up to the same step.

Now on my alt, I was able to solo completed "All The Pieces" (yes a dps merc with mako can kite, heal and interrupt). Yesterday I met someone at Ilum to finish the seeker droid quest; he happened to be at the "All The Pieces" step; so I offered to help (hoping to find 2 more people to do Shroud's Last Stand after). To my surprise, I was able to get pass the platform. I got the "not eligible" message when I clicked; but then I got the "spectator mode" cut scene.

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uzebclub
05.06.2013 , 09:13 PM | #84
This is a great 4 Heroic , if u group with a bunch of babies to bad its part of the game . I was able to do it in 3 tries with a lvl 48 healer . This was a awesome heroic just like the Macrobinocular one . Keep them coming BW , AWESOME JOB on both 4 Heroics !!!!!

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Themanthatisi
05.07.2013 , 07:40 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Banegio View Post
I think it is buggy or has been patched.

When I first tried to do "All The Pieces" on my main (2 weeks ago), I asked various guildies for help. Some had fully completed the quest chain; some hadn't started. All of them got the "not eligible" message at the platform. I then completed it after waiting for another guildies to get up to the same step.

Now on my alt, I was able to solo completed "All The Pieces" (yes a dps merc with mako can kite, heal and interrupt). Yesterday I met someone at Ilum to finish the seeker droid quest; he happened to be at the "All The Pieces" step; so I offered to help (hoping to find 2 more people to do Shroud's Last Stand after). To my surprise, I was able to get pass the platform. I got the "not eligible" message when I clicked; but then I got the "spectator mode" cut scene.
Maybe it is bugged, works sometimes, not others. My experience with the area happened this past Saturday.... The only way to get past it was for all 4 of us to reset the mission, which is not horrible, takes maybe 10 min to re scan the 3 locations. I know some of the members in the guild I am in will want my help, so if I can help, it would be nice. The other 2 guys we did this with are in a much larger guild and one is the GM, so he was super disappointed thinking he will not be able to help his members.

You soloed that boss fight? I do not think I would even try that, I would still want my healer (my wife)....

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tanktest
05.08.2013 , 01:46 AM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by uzebclub View Post
This is a great 4 Heroic , if u group with a bunch of babies to bad its part of the game . I was able to do it in 3 tries with a lvl 48 healer . This was a awesome heroic just like the Macrobinocular one . Keep them coming BW , AWESOME JOB on both 4 Heroics !!!!!
How did you do it with a 48 healer , sense you can't even start the missions till 52 ?

OR

you all bought in a 48 healers with some 52 + .. if we are talking about the Seeker druid stuff .

which the amount of DMG the thrash does , a 55 24k tank was having issue tanking it when I did it .

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tanktest
05.08.2013 , 01:52 AM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Werdan View Post
I went into this quest after reading some of the horror stories and was able to finish it once.....after a few wipes and better communication. While not overly difficult, there are some improvements/changes that I'd like to see.

-This quest needs to be repeatable. The more people its open to, the more likely it will be to complete as the content gets older.

-The reward for such a long chain is not that great. At the very least if it was repeatable and an entire set of armor (one piece per completion) was available it might be worth it. As it stands I doubt I'd repeat this on the rest of my alts.

-There really needs to be priority transports on the planets involved for this and the seeker quests. Also, the order of both chains needs to be reworked a bit as you find yourself repeating planets you've already been to in one chain or the other.

-Add this and the seeker heroic to group finder? Just a thought. The only reason I wound up doing this was because someone was asking for a DPS in gen chat on fleet. The "healer" wasn't specced for heals but we had enough DPS to get through it with me taking lead after reading a guide on it.

This isn't a quest I'd go into purely as a pug unless you knew you had the confidence to communicate with the rest of the group. Again, not overly difficult but I can see where the patience would wear thin in a pug. I wish I remembered the names of everyone who did it with me the one time as they showed the utmost determination to finish it and listen to me.
The Reward wasn't worth the time spent doing it but I did it, not for the reward, it was a lot of fun .
IF I did it for the end reward I don't think I would have even bored with it .

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Thundergulch
05.08.2013 , 05:51 AM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by tanktest View Post
How did you do it with a 48 healer , sense you can't even start the missions till 52 ?

OR

you all bought in a 48 healers with some 52 + .. if we are talking about the Seeker druid stuff .

which the amount of DMG the thrash does , a 55 24k tank was having issue tanking it when I did it .
only 1 person needs the quest for a group to run it.
and obviously only those with the quest will get the reward.

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DarknessInLight
05.08.2013 , 10:40 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by stuartjs View Post
Hear Hear,
I tired of content getting nerfed just because some people have difficulty with it. If you wipe on content, talk with your group to see if you can figure it out and improve your strategies. Don't call for a nerf.
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Eyesmindassassin
05.18.2013 , 01:14 AM | #90
Yep, impossible to find a group now. Bad game design from BioWare per usual. Elder Scrolls can't come soon enough.