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Theory on the Emperor's Fate [SPOILERS]

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Theory on the Emperor's Fate [SPOILERS]

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Beniboybling
04.17.2013 , 10:25 AM | #1
Minor SW and Makeb spoilers and major JK spoilers up ahead.

In the wake of the Rise of the Hutt Cartel Expansion, in which both Darth Marr and Satele Shan confirmed the Sith Emperor’s death, I thought I’d put forward a theory I put together on the Emperor’s fate after the events of Act 3. As you may already know, the Hero of Tython defeated an Emperor within the depths of the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas. But was it the true Emperor, or a Voice? Or something else entirely? Here’s my theory on the matter, supporting the belief that the true Emperor is dead.

1 – Clothing. There is a distinct difference between what the 'Emperor' (by this I mean the being fought at the Dark Temple) wears and what the known/confirmed Voices wear. The Voss Voice wears [white] robes, whereas the 'Emperor' wears distinctive black robes, the same as the Emperor wore in Revan. Yes I hear you saying he's wearing the robes of a Voss mystic, but consider this - the Voss has been possessed for a decade, giving him ample time to change to the distinctive black. And for all those of you who have read the webcomic – Blood of the Empire – you'll be aware that the current Voice at that time also wears white. Coincidence? Perhaps. But there are only two paths we can take here, either it’s a coincidence or it’s not. If it’s a coincidence it doesn't matter, the fact remains that the Voice wears robes differing from the black robes worn by true Emperor. And if it is not, then white is the distinctive colour of the Voice. In both scenarios we can feasibly assume that the being met at the Dark Temple was in fact the Emperor - dressed in the same iconic robes he wore when confronted by Revan.

2 – Appearance. Concerning the Voss and Human Voice from Blood of the Empire, they show little/no sign of dark side corruption. The Voss mystic is perfectly unaffected, and looks exactly the same as a normal Voss. And the Human Voice, while having yellow eyes (which is irrelevant seeing as Voss have no pupils so no comparison can be made), also shows no sign of dark side corruption. His skin is unblemished and in fact looks quite young. So we can assume that when a vessel is possessed by the Emperor, the vessel is not visibly corrupted. And yet, the being that the Hero of Tython confronts in the Dark Temple - despite only being a Voice for what? A couple of months? – displays extreme dark side corruption. Red eyes, pale wrinkled skin, purple veins – the full package. The most logical explanation is that he is the Emperor himself – displaying similar levels of dark side corruption as he did in when confronted by Revan.

3 – Death. In the SW storyline, the Emperor, through his Voice, demands the Wrath kills him - so that he can escape his trapped body. This seems to have little/no impact on the Emperor. The body dies (it doesn't even disappear like it does in Dark Temple) and the Emperor accepts the Voice's death, and goes on with his life. And yet when the so called 'Voice' is killed by the Hero of Tython, the body is destroyed, the Emperor is enraged, supposedly 'recuperating', and the Empire falls into disarray believing their leader to be dead. This is likely because he is dead; the only logical explanation is that the Emperor was killed in the Dark Temple by the Hero of Tython.

4 – The Children. The Children of the Emperor are a group of individuals who have a unique connection with the Emperor’s mind. After the Emperor’s ‘death’ the remaining Children began to hear the Emperor’s voice in their minds louder than ever – jibbering and incoherent. This would seem to suggest that the Emperor is indeed dead with his Force ghost in limbo between reality and Chaos (the Sith Netherworld of the Force), struggling to escape and latching onto to the few remaining connections he has to life.

(A final additional point. The Voss Voice met by the Wrath is labelled 'The Voice of the Emperor' - whereas the 'Voice' faced in the Dark Temple was called 'The Emperor'. Not exactly hard evidence but only adds to the distinction.)

Problems

But this creates a few problems, which must be met and resolved. Firstly it contradicts what the Wrath was told by the Hands, who said it was the Voice of the Emperor that was killed, not the Emperor. However it’s highly possible that they lied. I mean, let’s say I'm right and the Hand told the Wrath the truth – the conversation would go something like this: "Hey Wrath, err... you know the Emperor? You know, our leader? Yeah... well... small problem. He's err, he's dead basically. So... we kind of don't have a leader anymore. But don't worry! It’s all under control. You just, just keep smashing the Republic. I mean, you’re not really the Emperor's Wrath anymore... but err, just... keep at it! Ok, err bye. And long live the... oh wait..." As you can see not only would it be awkward, but they also can't trust the Emperor's Wrath. They have no reason to, after all the previous Wrath has already betrayed them; they’re not going to trust another so easily. The most likely explanation is that it’s all an elaborate ruse, if the entire Empire found out, it would collapse, even mere rumours have begun to cause fractures. They have to keep it a secret, and the best way to do this is create a false rumour to explain his disappearance.

The second problem is that everything seems to point the Emperor's survival, and some sort of 'essence transfer'. But the Emperor can still be dead, however only his body. It’s possible that he still exists in some sort of spiritual form, hence how he collapsed the Dark Temple chamber, and how the Children can still hear him.

What’s more, in an interview with the Lead Writer, Hall Hood (who also wrote the JK storyline) – he says this: "The Jedi Knight defeats the Emperor at the end, and the Emperor's body does die.”

But like I said, he goes on to say, or at least hints, that the Emperor lives on in some sort of spiritual form. And hints that he may return. He also mentions something else interesting; he implies that this isn't the first time the Emperor's body has died. So perhaps whilst being the Emperor, it was the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th incarnation of him. Hence him not being Sith or some sort of hybrid like he is presented in Revan. Personally, I’d like to see the Emperor return in another update – the option is has certainly been left open. And Vitiate wouldn't be the first Sith to escape from Chaos.

P.S. If you want to listen to the interview with Hall Hood, the link is here. Skip to 27:00 to hear about the Emperor.

Thoughts?

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longinoch
04.17.2013 , 05:48 PM | #2
I agree with most of what you are thinking, after playing the JK story came away from Voss thinking that Sel Makor had taught the Emperor how to become a living mass of energy within the Force much like Sel Makor is. So when the knight kills what I believed to be the Emperor's real body (the Revan Novel be dammed) the disappearance of his body was him transforming in to such a mass of energy. Thus paving the way for the hand to tell the SW that the Emperor is alive and in a new voice recovering. This also means a sacrifice of the Knight or the Consular will be necessary to destroy the Emperor for good.

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04.17.2013 , 07:29 PM | #3
The biggest issue for me is the species.

Remember when we met the Emperor at the Act 2 finale he had a mask on? I'd bet the farm he was Pureblood underneath that mask.

The npc we kill at the end of Act 3 is a human, Dark V but still human. So basically... the species is wrong.
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04.17.2013 , 09:49 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
The biggest issue for me is the species.

Remember when we met the Emperor at the Act 2 finale he had a mask on? I'd bet the farm he was Pureblood underneath that mask.

The npc we kill at the end of Act 3 is a human, Dark V but still human. So basically... the species is wrong.
Vitiate originaly is knowned to be sith pure blood yeah.
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04.17.2013 , 11:06 PM | #5
Emperor's Warth: "I've heard the words of the Emperor's Hand. Our master is defeated in body, but not in spirit. Beware of defiance."

Darth Marr: "If he is not dead then he is in no condition to rule. At least for the moment."

He's not dead, but the ability for him to communicate with the known galaxy has been severed thanks to the efforts of the Jedi Knight. The things the Emperor says to the Knight, "If I must die, everything dies with me." Is simply to give the Republic the idea that he is dead. And really when the Knight resists the Emperor's mind control that not even Revan could break must have seriously put him on edge. I imagine once he returns the entire galaxy will make poodoo in their pants.
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04.18.2013 , 09:32 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Spartanik View Post
Vitiate originaly is knowned to be sith pure blood yeah.
This is why I said the novel be dammed, Nowhere in the game's cannon does anyone or any entry that I have come across say anything thing about Vitiate being a Sith pure blood. Bioware probably paid no attention to the EU cannon established race for him thus allowing them room to have the Knight kill the emperor's real body and yet have him survive as a energy mass ala Sel Makor and only be out of commission for a period of time while gaining control of that form.

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04.18.2013 , 09:45 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by longinoch View Post
This is why I said the novel be dammed, Nowhere in the game's cannon does anyone or any entry that I have come across say anything thing about Vitiate being a Sith pure blood. Bioware probably paid no attention to the EU cannon established race for him thus allowing them room to have the Knight kill the emperor's real body and yet have him survive as a energy mass ala Sel Makor and only be out of commission for a period of time while gaining control of that form.
a) Bioware worked with Lucasarts to make the novels and game coincide
b) Drew Karpyshyn wrote both the novel and portions of the Knight's story, so they did know

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04.18.2013 , 10:29 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by longinoch View Post
This is why I said the novel be dammed, Nowhere in the game's cannon does anyone or any entry that I have come across say anything thing about Vitiate being a Sith pure blood.
Does it say otherwise ? If not, this isn't proof of anything.

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Beniboybling
04.18.2013 , 10:38 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by longinoch View Post
I agree with most of what you are thinking, after playing the JK story came away from Voss thinking that Sel Makor had taught the Emperor how to become a living mass of energy within the Force much like Sel Makor is. So when the knight kills what I believed to be the Emperor's real body (the Revan Novel be dammed) the disappearance of his body was him transforming in to such a mass of energy. Thus paving the way for the hand to tell the SW that the Emperor is alive and in a new voice recovering. This also means a sacrifice of the Knight or the Consular will be necessary to destroy the Emperor for good.
Really? Interesting I have not played the JK storyline as was not aware of that. This may very well be the case and explain he continual presence, whereas even a Sith Lord like Sidious couldn't remain in contact with the physical world after his 'death'.
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
The biggest issue for me is the species.

Remember when we met the Emperor at the Act 2 finale he had a mask on? I'd bet the farm he was Pureblood underneath that mask.

The npc we kill at the end of Act 3 is a human, Dark V but still human. So basically... the species is wrong.
Well like I explained, it is more the possible that the Emperor we see is a second incarnation, and that the Emperor may have died before - as hinted by Hall Hood. This would explain his race. However I must admit I also thought that the mask might be to hide his hybrid pure blood appearance, which, simply put, is beyond the capabilities of whatever skin set they are using in this game. Drew gave him a very complex, ambiguous appearance which is difficult to visualize. But still, it may have been to keep us guessing, and they do where the same robes which would suggest they are the same person...

Thanks for your responses everyone!

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seekerofpower
04.18.2013 , 02:45 PM | #10
Actually, the novel says that Vitiate was born to a Sith father and human mother. Also, after the ritual that gave him his near-immortality, it says he became something else, a race all unto its own.
The Sith Warrior story says he is still alive. When I talked to Marr on Makab, he doesn't say the Emperor is dead, he says he is unsure of his fate, but rumors of his absence have made the Republic bold.
I would need to see a video of him saying the Emperor is dead, because your game would be different than mine.
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