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People not properly playing their roles


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AlrikFassbauer
04.04.2013 , 04:06 PM | #11
In another MMORPG I once found out that appears to be a mis-conception of the word "role" in "role playing game".

Some indeed seem to believe that in the term "role playing game" the word "role" means a role you perform like in RL business or in an RL job / profession.

But, as far as I learned it, the word "role" in the term "role playing game" actually means that people play out a role like an actor does on a Theatre stage.

Both groups will have quite some problems understanding one another if they meet.

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Tatile
04.04.2013 , 04:41 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
Some indeed seem to believe that in the term "role playing game" the word "role" means a role you perform like in RL business or in an RL job / profession.
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AshlaBoga
04.04.2013 , 05:19 PM | #13
I find that people aren't bad at a specific role, so much as bad period.

A Jug tank that has cunning and willpower gear isn't bad at tanking, he doesn't even understand his own class.

If you understand the game you tend to be good at your role.
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Twickers
04.04.2013 , 08:07 PM | #14
You get people who are just absolutely clueless no matter how good a tutorial/easy it is to gear your character, even though it states quite clearly that a jedi knight uses strength and only strength, you get those who think you need to stack willpower since they read it improves force damage, completely forgetting that strength also increases force damage for knights/warriors.

Still it does make for some pretty entertaining stories.
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E_David_A
04.04.2013 , 08:51 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by iPrismmm View Post
I've ran across this many times and tonight I was running a hm and we had a commando healer who was just healing himself and let both me(dps) and the tank die 2 or 3 times before I called him out on it and left the group. I called him out on it and he immediately starts raging telling me that it's my fault, that I was on the wrong side of the mob, I was too close etc etc. Yet he didn't attempt to heal even the tank at least once only himself.

Why is it so hard for people to do their simple job properly and if you proceed to call them out on it it's your fault especially if you play dps. Does anyone else experience this?
Having leveled a Scoundrel heals I am now leveling a Commando heals. One question I have, how was the commando taking so much damage that all of his energy can go to healing himself? Was the tank not taking aggro?

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E_David_A
04.04.2013 , 09:01 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by tanerb View Post
As a new player I learned one thing. Healer is everything in the group. I played FP : Hammer with a group and wiped out 3 times in the end boss. Then our healer said he will go to bed and we found another one. We beat the boss so easy, it was unreal. I think the problem with the healer role is, it is really boring to play properly., that is why all the issues.
That may seem true, however there are two points to make.
Firstly, Hammer Station can be a tough one because depending on your class and level you may or may not have critical abilities that you would get just one level higher.
Secondly, you may have had a decently geared and decent healer who couldn't keep up because of poor tanking and not enough dps. I was healing Hammer station a couple nights ago and wiped numerous times on the last boss because no matter what, the tank would not turn the boss around... not at the beginning, no at all. A bad tank will wipe a group and it might look like the healer's fault, low dps can wipe a group and it might look like the healer's fault, you might vote kick him and get an really great geared heals who is high level for the FP and he can cover for a lot of failure on the rest on the group.

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grrrly
04.04.2013 , 11:15 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
I find that people aren't bad at a specific role, so much as bad period.
And some people just really aren't very nice, and don't play their roles because they can't be bothered. I've been lumbered with a few unpleasant people in PUGs but a healer who ran ahead of the group the whole time and refused to heal was quite memorable. As the only stealth class, she was able to slip past a lot of enemies, which would be fine if she didn't leave us behind to fight them without heals. It was made clear to us that our time spent fighting the unskippable enemies was a great annoyance to her. Anyway, we were surviving OK other than one DPS death, and as it was one of the quicker HMs we just kept going. We did wonder if she thought she had been put in a DPS role by group finder, but as she wasn't DPSing either, it's not very likely! The whole thing didn't end well, with her becoming verbally abusive when we died during the final boss fight. We completed the flashpoint without her.

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Leravulan
04.05.2013 , 12:54 AM | #18
I'll share my horror story as well.

It was Battle of Ilum, we had an operative healer and was wiping on every single boss. When we actually killed any of the bosses, some people were lost in the process and the remaining ones were close to dying. As it turned out, healer was - and i quote - "semi-healing specced". When asked what is that spec, he replied 10/31/0. THAT was his understanding of healing spec (he did not even had kolto probes). Best part, he blamed us - tank / dpses and said that he healed Denova HM no problem (that was the time when Denove NiM and Asation SM/HM wasn't in the game yet).

Also, been running a lot of LI lately as my shadow tank and I gotta say, if you want to loose your faith in humanity - do LI via groupfinder.

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slafko
04.05.2013 , 02:34 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Twickers View Post
You get people who are just absolutely clueless no matter how good a tutorial/easy it is to gear your character, even though it states quite clearly that a jedi knight uses strength and only strength, you get those who think you need to stack willpower since they read it improves force damage, completely forgetting that strength also increases force damage for knights/warriors.

Still it does make for some pretty entertaining stories.
I had a sentinel wearing a cowboy hat full of cunning mods. Only the fear of his answer stopped me from asking "why".

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JouerTue
04.05.2013 , 07:44 AM | #20
I think I have experienced all it's been written here.. Pugs are a roulette..you can always find someone not understanding the game or their character..but it's even worse when you find someone not cooperating, once I was healing a HM essels with a dps skipping every mob while the rest of the group wasn't..when I did explain that if we had to run we'd had to stick together and doing the same things I've been insulted,I didn't finish to argue that we found another dps...lol then we finished faster than with those wipes caused by that arrogant player,complaining because he was dyeing alone all the time on unskippables. And yes LI is the worst instance for pugging..almost same level of some pvp