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Yoda vs Darth Sidious fight (episode III)

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Yoda vs Darth Sidious fight (episode III)

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zzoorrzz
03.30.2013 , 08:40 AM | #1
I already thought there was something wrong about that fight back then when I saw it. Now I watched the whole thing again and the feeling came back. I mean, it seemed like Yoda was winning the fight, then he simply walks away and says he failed? Weird. If he stayed there, he would win no doubt.

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jovianus
03.30.2013 , 09:30 AM | #2
Well obviously the fight could not be allowed to come to a natural conclusion. Palpatine had to 'win' so he could become Emperor, but Yoda couldn't very well be killed.

I think it would have been better if they had juggled the timeline a bit so that Palpatine abandoned the fight when he sensed what happened to Anakin or something. I agree it's a bit weak that Yoda just throws in the towel so quickly when he's the last defense against domination of the galaxy by the absolute antithesis of everything he and the Jedi Order stood for.

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Doctoglethorpe
03.30.2013 , 09:36 AM | #3
As I pretty much say be default these days, read the book.

The movie fails as getting so many things across to the viewer, this is just one of them. In the book it explains how Yoda was actually losing the fight pretty badly, getting worn out while Sidious just kept going on and on like it was effortless. Yoda knew he was going to lose and his fight or flight instinct switched gears. In the movie it looks like the battle is tied and he just decides "nevermind."

I think the failing is two fold. One, they nerfed Sidious big time, made him look like at best he only had a slight advantage. That goofy chair flop part is b-movie materiel, and the end of the fight looks like he's struggling just as much as Yoda, if perhaps getting more entertainment out of the strain. "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ..OH?" Second, the movie doesn't try at all to portray what Yoda is thinking. He doesn't say anything to anyone, even himself, to really explain his thought process. You just get this stupid out of place line about Dagobah, cause yay OT reference, no time for anything else! Why is he exiling himself? Why did he pick Dagobah so damn quickly? Why did he run away from the fight to end all fights? He wasn't wounded so there must be a reason but hell you can just imagine one yourself cause we don't have the time or directoral ability to give you one. Nope, nothin, just "im goin to dagobah brah!"

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jovianus
03.30.2013 , 09:42 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Doctoglethorpe View Post
As I pretty much say be default these days, read the book.

The movie fails as getting so many things across to the viewer, this is just one of them. In the book it explains how Yoda was actually losing the fight pretty badly, getting worn out while Sidious just kept going on and on like it was effortless. Yoda knew he was going to lose and his fight or flight instinct switched gears. In the movie it looks like the battle is tied and he just decides "nevermind."
I really dislike the idea of going to the books unless it's describing something going on offscreen, otherwise it turns into 'What you saw in the movie isn't actually what happened.!"

There's nothing we see in that fight that suggests it was particularly exhausting, it certainly didn't seem anymore intense (and I don't think it was much longer, if at all) than Yoda's fight with Dooku, and he wasn't dropping from exhaustion after that one.

IIRC the book also tries to ameliorate the rather humiliating slaughter of the Jedi Masters in Palp's office by saying he used some Super Sith Speed that.was....nowhere in evidence on screen.

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Doctoglethorpe
03.30.2013 , 09:49 AM | #5
Well the only thing that really changed about the office scene was that the deaths are less retarded. In the movie its just "herp, dead, derp another dead." Those two in the movie can't be considered masters, or even ****in padawans, for being killed as easily as they did. At least in the book they have an excuse, since they were dead before they even had time to react. In the movie they had more then enough time to react. ****, one of palpatines "moves" in the movie is this rediculously drawn out jab he makes the O Face while doing. Anybody could parry that **** let alone a freakin jedi.

The movie sucks, that sums it up.

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Wolfninjajedi
03.30.2013 , 10:22 AM | #6
The books = The movies and vis versa.

You can only have the actors/effects/props do so much to showcase what goes on, so blaming the books or movies just isn't right. The books go into further detail of just what is going on(abit with some differences), just because the movies can't show certain things properly at times doesn't mean the books or movies isn't correct.
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―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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jovianus
03.30.2013 , 10:46 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
The books = The movies and vis versa.

You can only have the actors/effects/props do so much to showcase what goes on, so blaming the books or movies just isn't right. The books go into further detail of just what is going on(abit with some differences), just because the movies can't show certain things properly at times doesn't mean the books or movies isn't correct.
That kind of reeks of laziness. Why not just change the fight scene to make it interesting, instead of the silliness we see in the movies and trying to patch it up with the book saying "That's not actually what happened."

"Oh sure, he calls himself Palpatine and seems to be a human Sith Lord, but he's actually Morba, the Space Queen from Dimension X. Nevermind that no such thing was ever seen or mentioned in the movie."

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Wolfninjajedi
03.30.2013 , 10:56 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by jovianus View Post
That kind of reeks of laziness. Why not just change the fight scene to make it interesting, instead of the silliness we see in the movies and trying to patch it up with the book saying "That's not actually what happened."

"Oh sure, he calls himself Palpatine and seems to be a human Sith Lord, but he's actually Morba, the Space Queen from Dimension X. Nevermind that no such thing was ever seen or mentioned in the movie."
Are you implying that Ian Mcdiarmid can't act?! ! No but really...Ian wanted to do all his own things, he didn't want a stunt double so...there you go, I mean the guy is old.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
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jovianus
03.30.2013 , 11:21 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Are you implying that Ian Mcdiarmid can't act?! ! No but really...Ian wanted to do all his own things, he didn't want a stunt double so...there you go, I mean the guy is old.
He's pretty spry for an old guy, what with all those aerial somersaults and getting hurled backwards across rooms and tumbling over furniture, and jumping down thirty feet from platform to platform.

For as CG heavy as Star Wars is, I'm sure they could have come up with a fight scene that didn't involve a bunch of Jedi standing there screaming like little girls while they were helplessly cut down.

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Wolfninjajedi
03.30.2013 , 11:27 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by jovianus View Post
He's pretty spry for an old guy, what with all those aerial somersaults and getting hurled backwards across rooms and tumbling over furniture, and jumping down thirty feet from platform to platform.

For as CG heavy as Star Wars is, I'm sure they could have come up with a fight scene that didn't involve a bunch of Jedi standing there screaming like little girls while they were helplessly cut down.
It was suppose to be from the viewpoint, that Sidious was moving too fast for them to react. Hence why they just seem to stand there.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

Maucs the Tauntaun King, former SWG player.