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Darth Malgus vs Darth Bane vs Darth Vader

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Darth Malgus vs Darth Bane vs Darth Vader

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Oxades
03.28.2013 , 03:49 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
He lost his power sure...but its never stated in what way he lost it. Its the whole him having the power within, but never realizing it.

Anyway...you got it the other way around, Malgus is pretty much an exact copy of Vader only difference is..Vader is better then Malgus in every aspect. Has Malgus taken on 8 Jedi Knights/Masters at once before? Has he collapsed buildings and survived for days under them? Has he ever willed himself back to life? Destroy a base on his own? Moved starships? Survive huge explosions? Crushed enormous droids and knock over huge trees? Take on a Jedi that could teleport/phase through objects?

I can post evidence of all of this, if you like.
Lumiya stated to Jacen Solo that cybernetic replacements impeded the force and because of Darth Vader cybernetic he could never be a true Lord of the Sith. So here’s my evidence of why Vader is not and could never be as powerful as he should have been.

Now let’s look at you arguments. “Has Malgus taken on 8 Jedi Knights/Masters at once before?” Malgus has taken on several Jedi’s before but I don’t know if he ever took on 8 solo or not. “Has he collapsed buildings and survived for days under them?” Yes. “Has he ever willed himself back to life?” I don’t think so, good point. “Destroy a base on his own?” Yes. “Moved starships?” that would be a no. you got me on that one. “Survive huge explosions?” Yes. “Crushed enormous droids and knock over huge trees?” No, but I have no reason to believe this is outside his power. “Take on a Jedi that could teleport/phase through objects?” No.

You are making good argument and I must say it does look like Vader is the stronger, but I would like to know you reference material?

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Kaedusz
03.28.2013 , 04:48 PM | #32
Darth Vader is basically a joke as well as every jedi he faced in all his time.

It would be a tie between Bane and Malgus

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Aurbere
03.28.2013 , 04:53 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaedusz View Post
Darth Vader is basically a joke as well as every jedi he faced in all his time.

It would be a tie between Bane and Malgus
Except for him becoming 80% of the most powerful Sith Lord to ever exist. You know, the same Sith Lord that is the culmination of Darth Bane's Rule of Two.

Or how about him killing Count Dooku (THE master of Makashi)? How about Cin Drallig? What about killing half a dozen Jedi Masters single handedly? What about him being called the best Jedi Killer of all time?

But other than that he's a total joke.
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Spartanik
03.28.2013 , 05:18 PM | #34
LoL there is no contest vader is the stronger one. while is plausable to assume that the others could content with vader, from what we know Vader is still stronger and is stil the chosen one its best not to forget.

I find it odd that the argument of having or not cybernetics is even a factor on vader being a sith lord or not. As if had anything to do with it.

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Lumiya stated to Jacen Solo that cybernetic replacements impeded the force and because of Darth Vader cybernetic he could never be a true Lord of the Sith. So here’s my evidence of why Vader is not and could never be as powerful as he should have been.
You must understand the context... and to realize the diference of a character silly belief and the actual plot.
Vader was a sith lord the end, allthough he was more then sith or jedi he was the chosen one.
Whataver Lumiya likes to think, not to mention vader would end her quick most probably.
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Crawelc
03.28.2013 , 05:40 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Except for him becoming 80% of the most powerful Sith Lord to ever exist. You know, the same Sith Lord that is the culmination of Darth Bane's Rule of Two.

Or how about him killing Count Dooku (THE master of Makashi)? How about Cin Drallig? What about killing half a dozen Jedi Masters single handedly? What about him being called the best Jedi Killer of all time?

But other than that he's a total joke.
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Wolfninjajedi
03.28.2013 , 07:43 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Oxades View Post
Lumiya stated to Jacen Solo that cybernetic replacements impeded the force and because of Darth Vader cybernetic he could never be a true Lord of the Sith. So here’s my evidence of why Vader is not and could never be as powerful as he should have been.

Now let’s look at you arguments. “Has Malgus taken on 8 Jedi Knights/Masters at once before?” Malgus has taken on several Jedi’s before but I don’t know if he ever took on 8 solo or not. “Has he collapsed buildings and survived for days under them?” Yes. “Has he ever willed himself back to life?” I don’t think so, good point. “Destroy a base on his own?” Yes. “Moved starships?” that would be a no. you got me on that one. “Survive huge explosions?” Yes. “Crushed enormous droids and knock over huge trees?” No, but I have no reason to believe this is outside his power. “Take on a Jedi that could teleport/phase through objects?” No.

You are making good argument and I must say it does look like Vader is the stronger, but I would like to know you reference material?
Alright then here comes the evidence...
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http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5131/blz10.jpg

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/3142/blz11s.jpg

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3103/blz13.jpg

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1527/blz14.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4632/blz15.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6526/blz16.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8049/blz17.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7245/blz18.jpg

Pretty much it of the fight, the other Jedi were killed when the 501st came in. One of the Jedi also had a Cortosis blade. (This was early post-Mustafar.)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6517/extinction11.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7144/duel1x.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4545/duel2z.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9426/duel4.jpg

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6159/duel5d.jpg

(other two scans won't show for some reason..)

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7803/duel8.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1435/duel9.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1411/duel10.jpg

(last won't show, but he toppled a giant tree on her.) This is the Dark Woman, former Jedi Master and the one who could teleport.

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/2316/10240351.jpg

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3910/48037037.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3075/72859246.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4034/21513003.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8827/72338157p.jpg

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8200/59349372i.jpg

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/2037/55795374.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9201/50824626.jpg

http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/405/57368295.jpg

Beats Celesta, who had the Talisman of Mur and said Ancient Sith Lord acknowledge that Vader was very powerful. This is the same woman, that fought Darth Krayt.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/865...tureswillo.jpg

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/865...tureswillo.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8...tureswillo.jpg

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8...tureswillo.jpg

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/8...tureswillo.jpg

TK lifts a Y-wing, blows up the base, survives the explosion. Same instance of him taking out the entire base.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/865...tureswillo.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/865...tureswillo.jpg

The droid bit.

Quote:
But Vader merely stood like a statue, his blade angled toward the ground until the very instant the two Jedi unleashed their assault. Then, as the three blades joined in scatterings of dazzling light and grating static sounds, he moved.Forte and Kulka were skilled duelists, but Vader was not only faster than Starstone remembered him being on Murkhana against Master Chatak, but also more agile. He employed his awesome power to put a quick end to the fancy twirling of his opponents, who fell back against the hammering blows of Vader's bloodshine blade.

Time and again the two Jedi Knights attempted to alter their style, but Vader had an answer for every lunge, parry, and riposte. His style borrowed elements from all techniques of combat, even from the highest, most dangerous levels, and his moves were crisp and unpredictable. In addition, his remarkable foresight allowed him to anticipate Forte's and Kulka's strategies and maneuvers, his blade always one step ahead of theirs, notwithstanding the two-handed grip he employed. Toying with the Jedi, he grazed Forte on the left shoulder, then on the right thigh; Kulka, he pierced lightly in the abdomen, then shaved away the flesh on the right side of the Ho'Din's face.

Rise of Darth Vader.
Straight to the point.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__110_.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__125_.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__152_.jpg

Moves his blade so fast, that it creates afterimages.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__113_.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__114_.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__115_.jpg

Surviving an explosion at point blank range.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture_super.jpg

Willing himself back to life.
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Also this is all Vader still before his prime in dueling. I could post more but I need to go run FPs so later.
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Lordmird
03.28.2013 , 09:02 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Alright then here comes the evidence...
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http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5131/blz10.jpg

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/3142/blz11s.jpg

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3103/blz13.jpg

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1527/blz14.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4632/blz15.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6526/blz16.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8049/blz17.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7245/blz18.jpg

Pretty much it of the fight, the other Jedi were killed when the 501st came in. One of the Jedi also had a Cortosis blade.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6517/extinction11.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7144/duel1x.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4545/duel2z.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9426/duel4.jpg

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6159/duel5d.jpg

(other two scans won't show for some reason..)

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7803/duel8.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1435/duel9.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1411/duel10.jpg

(last won't show, but he toppled a giant tree on her.) This is the Dark Woman, former Jedi Master and the one who could teleport.

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/2316/10240351.jpg

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3910/48037037.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3075/72859246.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4034/21513003.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8827/72338157p.jpg

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8200/59349372i.jpg

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/2037/55795374.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9201/50824626.jpg

http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/405/57368295.jpg

Beats Celesta, who had the Talisman of Mur and said Ancient Sith Lord acknowledge that Vader was very powerful. This is the same woman, that fought Darth Krayt.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/865...tureswillo.jpg

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/865...tureswillo.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8...tureswillo.jpg

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8...tureswillo.jpg

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/8...tureswillo.jpg

TK lifts a Y-wing, blows up the base, survives the explosion. Same instance of him taking out the entire base.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/865...tureswillo.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/865...tureswillo.jpg

The droid bit.



Straight to the point.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__110_.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__125_.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__152_.jpg

Moves his blade so fast, that it creates afterimages.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__113_.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__114_.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture__115_.jpg

Surviving an explosion at point blank range.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4...ture_super.jpg

Willing himself back to life.
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Also this is all Vader still before his prime in dueling. I could post more but I need to go run FPs so later.
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Kaedusz
03.28.2013 , 09:07 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
...
Was talking after he put the suit on,anyway....
He would be neutralised in the first second,because Bane's lightning would destroy his mechanical life support system,and he will be left to die in agony on the ground,while Bane and Malgus fight it off.

The Vader fan club mentality is strong here.

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Aurbere
03.28.2013 , 09:12 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaedusz View Post
Was talking after he put the suit on,anyway....
Doesn't matter because he grew stronger after being put in the suit.

And FYI: the dozen masters was post-Mustafar.


Quote:
He would be neutralised in the first second,because Bane's lightning would destroy his mechanical life support system,and he will be left to die in agony on the ground,while Bane and Malgus fight it off.
You sure about that? Because he has been subjected to some pretty powerful lightning (TFU2) and didn't die. He only died because he was blasted by the most powerful Force lightning from the most powerful Sith Lord. Bane is not the most powerful Sith Lord ever and doesn't have the most powerful lightning ever.
Added Chapter 29 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Kaedusz
03.28.2013 , 09:16 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
You sure about that? Because he has been subjected to some pretty powerful lightning (TFU2) and didn't die.
i knew someone would come up with that.
That's just gameplay mechanics/scenery speaking.
Besides... TFU 2 is hardly a paragon of what can be considered canon.Quite the contrary.