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What triggered our newfound OPness?

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What triggered our newfound OPness?

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CJNJ
03.26.2013 , 01:55 AM | #1
So yeah, apparently snipers are going to be the new FOTMs now in pvp. Seeing as everyone in this community will soon be a fotm due to ignorance by our peers, why don't we discuss what makes us awesome.

Is it because with our new roll sent/maras will now completely hard countered by us? "This is unacceptable because sentinels should be te best because that's what I play"

Is it because we have cover and are uninterruptable, while the other two rDPS classes can simply walk around a corner to avoid our damage, one of which now has a move so we can't stop them from moving. "I'm a sorc, I should be able to face tank everything"

Maybe it's our stealth detect, so those poor stealthies can't walk right up to our face to start attacking, but rather must attack from the rear. Blasphemy.

Maybe it's that unbelievable burst we get on live, which only ever refers to MM, and how it will be so OP come 2.0, even though now everyone has 30k hp, our FT, while more uptime, is weaker, and outside of SoS the rest of our damage numbers didn't really change.

That's what I got out of PTS, I'm not sure about the rest of you but I don't think we deserve the fotm title yet. Anyone else have any thoughts?

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NoTomorrow
03.26.2013 , 06:49 AM | #2
hello fellow ctr+alt+elite member.

The reason why sniper has got so much attention recently is because the slow evolving metagame. We were supposed to raise in numbers after 1.4 when smash rulled. And we did dominate smash back then, no problem, however there was only a few of us so nobody actuall noticed that we can beat the crap out of melee.

PTS agregated some of the best SWTOR snipers all in one place, which of course they comletely demolished the hordes of easy mode melee players. And this has caught their attention.

The roll itself has exacerbated their feeling because players tend to notice only something that works against them, not the opposite. Nobody has noticed that roots are essentialy removed form SWTOR with all this tons of root breakers added to swtor 2.0. Developers saw this, and they gave us the roll. The players did not. They only see sniper having an ability to increase the distance. This got melee MAD.

Take a look at the most of sniper whining threads, most of them do not even know about what sniper spec they are talking about, they just say snipers are op, not MM is op, not lethality is OP. This is a typical response to slow metagame change which in our case being called FOTM.
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Scatter Bombs are meant to be a fun bit of extra damage that occurs when you roll into or away from the action. That said, we’re okay with you trapping an unsuspecting enemy for a “wall bang” every now and then.

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kamikrazy
03.26.2013 , 07:01 AM | #3
I remember... the day that I found my OPness was a good day.

I honestly think it's just bad players whining about an AC they don't fully understand. They may have even tried playing one, but because they couldn't play it well, they didn't think anyone else should be able to either.
Like you mentioned, they fail to understand the context in which we have our extra mobility. Knights/Warriors can break roots with their leap, all troopers/BHs get hold the line, shadows/assassins can teleport... but for some reason we're singled out? OK.

At the end of the day, players are whining about an AC that isn't even finalized, busting their QQ load prematurely because they are so afraid that maybe for once, their AC will have some competition.

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SalBasss
03.26.2013 , 08:31 AM | #4
I actually think B'oard's parse of 2900+ dps for Engineering in the "legit dps claims for 2.0" thread contributes to this a lot as well. People see that number, they see a few others complaining, and that's it.... and based on those two things they claim "Snipers are OP."

I 100% agree though, they don't really know what is OP or what spec they are playing against. It's just an excuse that is used whenever they lose to a Sniper.
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WaldoA
03.26.2013 , 11:56 AM | #5
That 2.9k DPS parse is also in an AoE heavy fight where the spec is good, people are going to roll it and try it in PvP only to realise it's not as good as they were expecting, and I will enjoy the day that happens.

I've had Sniper for a main quite some time now, and It makes me sad to realise all these baddies rolling FoTM class just so they can be terrible and still look somewhat good. Though, I will take pleasure in smashing said baddies heads in with my Sniper when the time comes.
The ones I'm talking about will be so easy to spot.

I thought for a while I was going to give up my Sniper because I just feel terrible playing alongside these people, but I've just decided I'll stick to it. Don't see why I should re-roll or swap chars simply to avoid being labelled as FoTM.

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CJNJ
03.26.2013 , 01:02 PM | #6
Now this is just a personal question but seeing as we come out of cover during our sniper roll, couldn't we still get jumped to? Or does the roll still block all of that stuff?

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Svii
03.26.2013 , 03:02 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by CJNJ View Post
Now this is just a personal question but seeing as we come out of cover during our sniper roll, couldn't we still get jumped to? Or does the roll still block all of that stuff?
You can be charged, but not rooted during the roll.. as I understand it.

Like the ones above, I'll enjoy schooling the FOTM-rerollers ^^

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Kattla
03.26.2013 , 07:59 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by CJNJ View Post
So yeah, apparently snipers are going to be the new FOTMs now in pvp. Seeing as everyone in this community will soon be a fotm due to ignorance by our peers, why don't we discuss what makes us awesome.

Is it because with our new roll sent/maras will now completely hard countered by us? "This is unacceptable because sentinels should be te best because that's what I play"

Is it because we have cover and are uninterruptable, while the other two rDPS classes can simply walk around a corner to avoid our damage, one of which now has a move so we can't stop them from moving. "I'm a sorc, I should be able to face tank everything"

Maybe it's our stealth detect, so those poor stealthies can't walk right up to our face to start attacking, but rather must attack from the rear. Blasphemy.

Maybe it's that unbelievable burst we get on live, which only ever refers to MM, and how it will be so OP come 2.0, even though now everyone has 30k hp, our FT, while more uptime, is weaker, and outside of SoS the rest of our damage numbers didn't really change.

That's what I got out of PTS, I'm not sure about the rest of you but I don't think we deserve the fotm title yet. Anyone else have any thoughts?
FOTM, Flavor Of The Month . I knew it when i logged onto PTS, seeing a Gunslinger and what i belive is a juggernaut on the intro picture. That is of course the reason some trolls think we will become FOTM.
Along with Juggernaut/guardians of course. This picture. Considering the improved shield mechanics and what the other classes got,
i don't see any other serious reason.

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NotRonin
03.26.2013 , 11:50 PM | #9
The reason is 2 second Series of Shot with FollowThrough.

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bbare
03.27.2013 , 12:04 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by WaldoA View Post
That 2.9k DPS parse is also in an AoE heavy fight where the spec is good, people are going to roll it and try it in PvP only to realise it's not as good as they were expecting, and I will enjoy the day that happens.

I've had Sniper for a main quite some time now, and It makes me sad to realise all these baddies rolling FoTM class just so they can be terrible and still look somewhat good. Though, I will take pleasure in smashing said baddies heads in with my Sniper when the time comes.
The ones I'm talking about will be so easy to spot.

I thought for a while I was going to give up my Sniper because I just feel terrible playing alongside these people, but I've just decided I'll stick to it. Don't see why I should re-roll or swap chars simply to avoid being labelled as FoTM.
Nope, it was on the operations training dummy. The reason why it does that much damage, is because an engineering sniper's covered escape drops scatter bombs which detonate for large amounts of damage. The spec really only works well with bosses that have large hit boxes. Pretty much Titan, Thrasher, Writhing Horror, Operator IX, and Kephess for 2.0. The spec will still shine in AOE, but that is still 2.9k single-target damage. Even then, it is probably the hardest spec to play effectively, because of that "gimmick" if you would call it one, so the extra damage is justified. Maybe it could be toned down a little, but it isn't extremely overpowered.
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