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It's Really Sad to See TCW Be Cancelled

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It's Really Sad to See TCW Be Cancelled

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Beniboybling
03.24.2013 , 07:01 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Ventessel View Post
Kids stuff can still have action and lightsaber fights. I have plenty of younger cousins who are the target audience and absolutely love to fight with lightsabers. The overall tone and intensity of the show is essentially aimed at children without being overly childish. It's watchable for adults, but it's not that big of a deal its getting cut a little short.

Edit: Actually, most of the lightsaber duels in that show are quite aggravating because the outcomes are always indeterminate due to the writers not being able to kill any "main" characters.
You seem to be making the assumption here that just because its aimed at kids means its poor quality, which is not the case. The visuals in TCW are incredible and have just kept getting better, the lightsaber duels and action sequences are better than anything we've seen in the prequels, the voice acting is incredible, the animation is fantastic, and the musical score is impressive and emotive. Many arcs in this season have been very well written and I don't know a single person who didn't get emotional over the final episode.

Seriously, the quality of this show is absolutely excellent. And despite the kiddie themes, various cliches and cheesy lines, its still up there with the best the franchise has delivered. This is why so many are so sad to see it go.

I also get the feeling that a lot of people who are making these comments haven't actually seen the series and witnessed its rapid improvement, which seems rather perverse to me. If you really want to be in a position to judge this series then at least watch The Lawless, the Jedi Who Knew Too Much and The Wrong Jedi, and then come back to me.

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Ventessel
03.24.2013 , 10:18 AM | #12
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Seriously, the quality of this show is absolutely excellent. And despite the kiddie themes, various cliches and cheesy lines, its still up there with the best the franchise has delivered. This is why so many are so sad to see it go.
That's essentially what I said.
"The overall tone and intensity of the show is essentially aimed at children without being overly childish. It's watchable for adults, but it's not that big of a deal its getting cut a little short." (Quoting myself... weird.)

LucasFilm is recalibrating to produce Episode VII, and I'd rather see them focus on that and not split their attention. TCW was a passable stand in while George Lucas had no intention of producing further films, but not that the playing field has changed, I'll trade TCW for a new movie in a heartbeat.


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I also get the feeling that a lot of people who are making these comments haven't actually seen the series and witnessed its rapid improvement, which seems rather perverse to me. If you really want to be in a position to judge this series then at least watch The Lawless, the Jedi Who Knew Too Much and The Wrong Jedi, and then come back to me.
I've seen most of seasons Two and Five, and watched parts of Season One back when it was on TV. I'll agree that Season Five was able to get me interested once I got over my initial reaction to Maul being alive (which was somewhere between righteous anger for Qui-Gon and bland acceptance of the inevitable).
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Jonoku
03.24.2013 , 10:22 AM | #13
They are making season 6 and 7 before the show ends, is that correct?

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HomicidalWhales
03.24.2013 , 10:53 AM | #14
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Actually I found one article that claimed that the TCW bonus content will absolutely be aired. But what I'm questioning is how much this 'bonus content' will consist of and whether it will continue and complete the stories of Asajj Ventress, Ashoka Tano etc. I'm starting to doubt that they will.

Basically TCW has at least two seasons left in it, and by the looks of it Disney are cutting that short and have no intention of picking it up again. If this is the case it will be a real shame.
I'm hearing from many reliable sources that this "bonus content" will only be 2 arcs. Pretty sad. It seems like Disney is out to destroy a lot of Star Wars.

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Ventessel
03.24.2013 , 11:05 AM | #15
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They are making season 6 and 7 before the show ends, is that correct?
No, although you can expect to see some of the content and story for season six released in an alternative format. Probably as online specials, or maybe on one of Disney's networks as special features.
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TalonVII
03.24.2013 , 11:45 AM | #16
Here's the thing.

The clone wars has only a finite amount of time. Eventually war has to come to an end and ROTS must be told.

Only so much you can pack in to a series with a timeframe like TCW.

Plus IMO they have done some just HORRID story choices that just ran roughshod over some of the books already published, and the whole Peaceful Mando crap, just gave Mandos EVERYWHERE a bad name, Death Watch or not.

And again, ran roughshod over the Clone Commando books, which IMO yes it might be KT which many hate, but it was some of the best commando style writing I've seen.

Plus it shows guys like Kal Skirrata, yes Mando, and yes will kill you in a heartbeat, but it shows them tough, but honorable, or like Waylon Vau. Love Vau. But it doesn't put them in either You are Death watch, or a *****.

Mentioned ONCE in TCW or was Delta squad which the whole damn game Clone Commandos and the books were based on?

No.

FU TCW. Die in peace and never return.
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Beniboybling
03.24.2013 , 12:06 PM | #17
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That's essentially what I said.
Not really, you seem to be disregarding the entire series just because of some kiddie-themes which in several of the latest arcs are really non-existent. But seriously, if you haven't watched the episodes I suggested then you haven't experienced the best of the series. It really is on par with the movies.

Now I'm not saying it should continue at the expense of the new movies and I'm not very resentful for them making this decision. I'm merely trying to explain to you why people like me will be sad to see it end, because it was such a good series, it really was. I was hoping they'd pick it up again after the movies have been released, but this is unlikely.

So hopefully they'll translate some of the excellent quality of this series into the new movies, especially in terms of combat scenes which really were quite fantastic.

P.S. TalonVII if your really that passionate about the EU then I'd mentally prepare yourself for the coming sequels which will likely make the minor retcons in TCW look menial. Seriously people are going to realise what real retconning looks like. Its going to be fun.

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Ventessel
03.24.2013 , 12:50 PM | #18
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Not really, you seem to be disregarding the entire series just because of some kiddie-themes which in several of the latest arcs are really non-existent. But seriously, if you haven't watched the episodes I suggested then you haven't experienced the best of the series. It really is on par with the movies.
Allow me to be clear, I'm not disregarding the series, merely raising my objections to certain aspects of it.

It is primarily a children's show, but there's nothing wrong with that. As I said, it's not overly childish. It manages to walk the line that allows it to appeal to adults while also serving its purpose of entertaining children. It has also matured along with its audience. The first few seasons of the show (One and Two, since those are the ones I watched) were extremely different from what I returned to find in Season Five. That makes sense, however, since the eight and twelve year old cousins I initially watched TCW with have now grown to be teenagers, so you can expect the show's themes to mature slightly.

The Emperor's smackdown and torture of Savage and Maul is a rather mature moment for the series, but these developments are rather recent in the series. The bulk of TCW's plotlnes and story arcs (for the first 4.5 seasons, really) have been rather lighthearted and aimed at entertaining younger audiences.

I have nothing against TCW just because it aimed at children. It did a good job of being a show that adult fans of Star Wars can appreciate, much the way Toy Story 3 was a great film that targeted children but also reached many adult viewers. That's one of the reasons I'm so eager to see Episode VII is because I think Michael Arndt is a perfect pick to write the screenplay for it. The villain in TS3 was actually a far more disturbing and evil character than most Star Wars villains that are out there, so my expectations are quite high.


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So hopefully they'll translate some of the excellent quality of this series into the new movies, especially in terms of combat scenes which really were quite fantastic.
I'm not really with you there, the thing about TCW that bothered me the most was the combat. The movements of characters felt exaggerated and sloppy, especially the lightsaber duels. I would much rather see a mix between the lightsaber combat of the prequels and the originals (mainly the final duel between Luke and Vader, the best in the series in my opinion).
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Beniboybling
03.24.2013 , 01:27 PM | #19
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Allow me to be clear, I'm not disregarding the series, merely raising my objections to certain aspects of it.

It is primarily a children's show, but there's nothing wrong with that. As I said, it's not overly childish. It manages to walk the line that allows it to appeal to adults while also serving its purpose of entertaining children. It has also matured along with its audience. The first few seasons of the show (One and Two, since those are the ones I watched) were extremely different from what I returned to find in Season Five. That makes sense, however, since the eight and twelve year old cousins I initially watched TCW with have now grown to be teenagers, so you can expect the show's themes to mature slightly.

The Emperor's smackdown and torture of Savage and Maul is a rather mature moment for the series, but these developments are rather recent in the series. The bulk of TCW's plotlnes and story arcs (for the first 4.5 seasons, really) have been rather lighthearted and aimed at entertaining younger audiences.

I have nothing against TCW just because it aimed at children. It did a good job of being a show that adult fans of Star Wars can appreciate, much the way Toy Story 3 was a great film that targeted children but also reached many adult viewers. That's one of the reasons I'm so eager to see Episode VII is because I think Michael Arndt is a perfect pick to write the screenplay for it. The villain in TS3 was actually a far more disturbing and evil character than most Star Wars villains that are out there, so my expectations are quite high.
That's just what I'm getting out, TCW appealed to both audiences pretty well just like Toy Story does (which I was just about to bring up). Yes we have to weigh up the negatives and the positives but I really think the positives vastly outweigh the negatives. What gets me the most is they are so close to perfecting it, the series has become a lot more mature and 'the Emperor's smackdown' is far from the most mature moment in the series e.g. Adi Gallia's and Pre Vizla's rather gruesome deaths, Satine's impalement and that nasty blow Ventress received to the head - that even made me flinch!

And again, I see Disney's reasoning here, but its just a real shame to see a great series like this go. It really is one of the best things that has happened to the franchise for a long time. But hey, we shall see what the sequels bring, which I have high hopes for. And hopefully see some more animated and possible live action series in the future.
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I'm not really with you there, the thing about TCW that bothered me the most was the combat. The movements of characters felt exaggerated and sloppy, especially the lightsaber duels. I would much rather see a mix between the lightsaber combat of the prequels and the originals (mainly the final duel between Luke and Vader, the best in the series in my opinion).
Really, you think? Admittedly the lightsaber combat in the first couple of series was nothing special, but I felt it rapidly improved in later seasons, especially season six. Sloppy and exaggerated was the last thing that came to mind, perhaps overly flashy. However I'd still rank them higher than the prequels and originals. The prequels were just too flashy and the originals not enough. The problem with the originals if that they lacked fluidity and at times felt a little clunky and not what you would expect from Force powered saber masters. However what they did excel in was provoking an emotional response from the viewer. Still I feel the final duels in TCW have drawn closer to that equilibrium.

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Ventessel
03.24.2013 , 01:53 PM | #20
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[/COLOR]That's just what I'm getting out, TCW appealed to both audiences pretty well just like Toy Story does (which I was just about to bring up). Yes we have to weigh up the negatives and the positives but I really think the positives vastly outweigh the negatives. What gets me the most is they are so close to perfecting it, the series has become a lot more mature and 'the Emperor's smackdown' is far from the most mature moment in the series e.g. Adi Gallia's and Pre Vizla's rather gruesome deaths, Satine's impalement and that nasty blow Ventress received to the head - that even made me flinch!
When I say mature, I don't mean violent. I mean that the implications of the Emperor capturing and torturing Maul and saying "I still have plans for you" is far more sinister and dark than anything we've seen to date in that series. In my opinion, mature themes are the ones which carry more complex emotional overtones, not simply gory or violent ones.

Although, I much prefer the style of "violence" we see in Star Wars over more realistic attempts to portray violence. Films like Black Hawk Down hit a tad too close to home for the violence to prove entertaining, whereas in the fantasy/sci-fi realms you can appreciate the pace and tension of the action and the excitement that follows.

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Really, you think? Admittedly the lightsaber combat in the first couple of series was nothing special, but I felt it rapidly improved in later seasons, especially season six. Sloppy and exaggerated was the last thing that came to mind, perhaps overly flashy. However I'd still rank them higher than the prequels and originals. The prequels were just too flashy and the originals not enough. The problem with the originals if that they lacked fluidity and at times felt a little clunky and not what you would expect from Force powered saber masters. However what they did excel in was provoking an emotional response from the viewer. Still I feel the final duels in TCW have drawn closer to that equilibrium.
The originals did have that technical shortcoming, but by the final duel in RotJ they were able to convey the intensity you would expect between two powerful Force users.

I haven't seen much combat from season six, unless Sidious' attack on Maul happened in that season, in which case seasons five and six are blurred in my recollection. The problem I have with them is that the tactical decisions of the characters, the choreography, and the actual strikes made are embellished and don't convey the sense of swordsmanship that the prequels had.

While the prequels often felt a little flashy, that was somewhat intentional, I believe. An attempt to convey the "more elegant weapon from a more civilized time" feeling that the Golden Age of the Jedi brought about. They were polished, finessed, and almost a little showman-like in much of their fighting, but it was deliberate and set the tone for the era.

The actual physicality of the duels in the prequels was great, but they lacked any emotional impact, which was the real shortcoming of the duels. The only emotional moment was Obi-Wan flipping out after Qui-Gon's death, although I would have liked to see him bruise Maul a bit, maybe get some less fluid strikes in there and convey more aggression.



EDIT: Actually, speaking of duels and such, I wrote a brief fight into the second chapter of a fanfic I recently decided to write. It's hand to hand, though. I'm saving the lightsabers for truly epic moments with appropriate buildup to them.
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