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How would Darth Maul do in TOR

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How would Darth Maul do in TOR

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Jonoku
03.21.2013 , 04:02 PM | #11
IMO A sith is a sith, a jedi is a jedi. The game just seperates it into different classes because its a game.

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Darkondo
03.21.2013 , 04:10 PM | #12
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I agree, despite what Ventessel says we have to remember that he was personally trained by Darth Sidious at the height of the Order of the Sith Lords as a living weapon. A killing machine. Remember that the Sidious era was the height of all eras for the Sith, Sidious and his master had grown far more powerful than any of the Sith Empire.

I think he'd be more than a match in terms of a lightsaber too. This guy has mastered Juyo, Niman and Jar'Kai - and incorporated that with exceptional skill in unarmed combat. Granted his unfamiliar weapon gave him an edge against the Jedi - but ultimately he completely outclassed them on the field of combat. There is nothing the Sith of the OR have that Maul doesn't have, and then some.

Weak against Force lightning? Not the case. No he cannot deflect it or channel it himself, but he can endure it. Case in point: when single-handedly wiping out the Black Sun leadership on Ralltiir he encountered an extremely powerful Nightsister whom unleashed a barrage of lightning at him - Maul simply shrugged it off, powered through it and sliced her in half.

Would he become a Dark Council member? No, he's a weapon, not a manipulator. But I'd settle for Emperor's Wrath.

An inflated image of Maul? Nope, I'm just recognizing him as what he is. The primary weapon of the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived. I think we also have to remember that excluding the 'Dark Ages' the Sith just grew more and more powerful.
I think he could be a DC member. Remember in TCW we see him as a cunning sith who was able to build a strong powerbase on Mandalore from scratch and not just someone's weapon. That being said I think he would be more suited to be someone like Malgus or Angral who werent DC members but built up their own huge powerbases outside the infighting of the Empire.

Interesting he can endure force lightning, he must have been tortured by the lightning of Sidious so much that all other forms of lightning inflicted on him are next to nothing. Still, enduring and deflecting are very different as he still getting hurt from it. He'd probably get destroyed when he got to Vitiate (mass mind control, intensely powerful lightning) but that would be it.

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Beniboybling
03.21.2013 , 04:10 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonoku View Post
IMO A sith is a sith, a jedi is a jedi. The game just seperates it into different classes because its a game.
Hmmm, I think I'd disagree. Some Jedi are tailored to certain fields - although they became more all rounders in the later Old Republic period. I mean take Kreia - she's a Jedi Consular. While someone like Revan is clearly a Jedi Knight.

I think with Sith, the distinction is even more clear. Sidious selected his apprentices to fulfill certain roles. Maul was akin to a warrior/assassin - a weapon. While Dooku was more of an inquisitor, focusing on manipulation and studying deeper into the Force. However I agree that in SWTOR they are made a lot more clear cut, and many are all rounders e.g. Malgus.

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Beniboybling
03.21.2013 , 04:14 PM | #14
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I think he could be a DC member. Remember in TCW we see him as a cunning sith who was able to build a strong powerbase on Mandalore from scratch and not just someone's weapon. That being said I think he would be more suited to be someone like Malgus or Angral who werent DC members but built up their own huge powerbases outside the infighting of the Empire.

Interesting he can endure force lightning, he must have been tortured by the lightning of Sidious so much that all other forms of lightning inflicted on him are next to nothing. Still, enduring and deflecting are very different as he still getting hurt from it. He'd probably get destroyed when he got to Vitiate (mass mind control, intensely powerful lightning) but that would be it.
Well, no doubt he had a deal of ability in manipulation etc. But them again he built his powerbase in a very aggressive and somewhat brutish manner. But given that Councillors rarely take to the front lines, and commanders march in with other troops, I think Maul's skills would be better put to use in direct, solo attacks etc. And I think the likes of Malgus and Vowrawn would outclass him in terms of military skill and cunning.

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Darkondo
03.21.2013 , 04:15 PM | #15
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Hmmm, I think I'd disagree. Some Jedi are tailored to certain fields - although they became more all rounders in the later Old Republic period. I mean take Kreia - she's a Jedi Consular. While someone like Revan is clearly a Jedi Knight.

I think with Sith, the distinction is even more clear. Sidious selected his apprentices to fulfill certain roles. Maul was akin to a warrior/assassin - a weapon. While Dooku was more of an inquisitor, focusing on manipulation and studying deeper into the Force. However I agree that in SWTOR they are made a lot more clear cut, and many are all rounders e.g. Malgus.
Its actually quite perplexing that Revan is a Jedi Knight yet we know more about his power and skill in the force than in actual saber combat. Malgus is a warrior, but he has inquisitor traits (eg. lightning) as well.

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Jonoku
03.21.2013 , 04:17 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Hmmm, I think I'd disagree. Some Jedi are tailored to certain fields - although they became more all rounders in the later Old Republic period. I mean take Kreia - she's a Jedi Consular. While someone like Revan is clearly a Jedi Knight.

I think with Sith, the distinction is even more clear. Sidious selected his apprentices to fulfill certain roles. Maul was akin to a warrior/assassin - a weapon. While Dooku was more of an inquisitor, focusing on manipulation and studying deeper into the Force. However I agree that in SWTOR they are made a lot more clear cut, and many are all rounders e.g. Malgus.
Some Sith and Jedi, Master everything. I prefer to just see them as a sith or a jedi.

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Darkondo
03.21.2013 , 04:22 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Well, no doubt he had a deal of ability in manipulation etc. But them again he built his powerbase in a very aggressive and somewhat brutish manner. But given that Councillors rarely take to the front lines, and commanders march in with other troops, I think Maul's skills would be better put to use in direct, solo attacks etc. And I think the likes of Malgus and Vowrawn would outclass him in terms of military skill and cunning.
Well that is a point, he doesnt seem like a very good tactician. Mandalore was in civil war after he beat Pre Visla and rightfully took control of Mandalore, and Bo-Katan's group despite being vastly outnumbered was holding there own against Maul's Death Watch. Emperor's wrath seems like a better fit, however if you ever decide to have another round of Kaggath's I would at least consider Maul's Death Watch have a look.

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Beniboybling
03.21.2013 , 04:45 PM | #18
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...however if you ever decide to have another round of Kaggath's I would at least consider Maul's Death Watch have a look.
That has been considered. However I think Pre Viszla will be heading the Death Watch - as they are the original group.

However I would like to somehow include Maul and his Shadow Collective so we shall see.

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Kharnamatic
03.21.2013 , 05:48 PM | #19
Darth Maul has next to no force powers and no defense against force attacks (e.g. vs Sidious he got knocked out with a force push then begged for his life while getting zapped).

A Jedi consular would simply force push the top of his saberstaff, sending the tip into his head and killing him within moments of the fight starting.

A smuggler would fire his scattergun, and Maul would have no way to deflect a diffuse mass of pellets with his lightsaber. Again Maul would die moments into the fight. Similarly he would not have the reflexes to parry the volume of fire put out by a trooper's minigun.

The Jedi/Sith of the PT were truly pitiful and were no match for blasters. As we saw in the Phantom Menace one shileded droideka/destroyer droid is the equal of a Jedi Master like Qui-Gon. Jedi died en masse trying to save Obi-Wan in the Geonosis Arena. It is no wonder the Jedi Order was wiped out by clones and the Republic needed clones in the first place. The Jedi had neglected their ranged force powers and focused almost exclusively on lightsaber training, which due to simple geometry of lines cannot deflect volley fire (3 or more bolts hitting at the same time). The massed ranks of clone troopers that assaulted the Jedi Temple in Ep III would have been sitting ducks for ranged force AoE attacks. But instead of using their powers to throw the troopers around like ragdolls or burn them to a crisp with arcing lightning attacks, the jedi brought a knife to a gunfight.

Jedi using lightsabers when they have magic (Force) makes as much sense as speccing a stereotypical mage for melee combat.

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Kaedusz
03.22.2013 , 06:03 AM | #20
He would be the same.Personal assassin of some Darth.You know ... something like the assassin Lord Grathan sends after the sith warrior after you finish Dromund Kaas quest line and go to your ship.

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Its actually quite perplexing that Revan is a Jedi Knight yet we know more about his power and skill in the force than in actual saber combat. Malgus is a warrior, but he has inquisitor traits (eg. lightning) as well.
This is not an inquisitor trait its a sith trait.All sith above Sith Lord or even bellow that if you have talent for sorcery, propably can use force lightning.Doesn't matter if the focus of his study is sorcery or martial prowess.Its a common dark side ability.
The Warrior in the game not being able to use it is a gameplay mechanic ,not a lore one.

The same goes for Darth Nox and lightsaber prowess.