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Luke (post-GrandMaster) vs Revan (post-KotOR)

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Luke (post-GrandMaster) vs Revan (post-KotOR)

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Beniboybling
03.13.2013 , 03:12 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
I'm still just not seeing it....I guess other comic characters have shown far bigger stuff, to the point comparing these two just makes it seem ok. There would be a point, if at some point The Force was shown a limit somewhere...but there has been no limit shown with what one could do using The Force.
Sure the Force is limitless. But the wielders do have limits. And for the sake of good story, and maintaining the essence of Star Wars, abilities should have limits.

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Wolfninjajedi
03.13.2013 , 03:14 PM | #22
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Sure the Force is limitless. But the wielders do have limits. And for the sake of good story, and maintaining the essence of Star Wars, abilities should have limits.
Your right, there are limits for users being that if they aren't good enough it can destroy them. At least there are explanations, that Luke/Sidious worked and studied/trained their asses off to get to their level of power. At least they didn't just wake up one day, and magically command all this ridiculous power, unlike some other comic characters..
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Ventessel
03.13.2013 , 03:34 PM | #23
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Your right, there are limits for users being that if they aren't good enough it can destroy them. At least there are explanations, that Luke/Sidious worked and studied/trained their asses off to get to their level of power. At least they didn't just wake up one day, and magically command all this ridiculous power, unlike some other comic characters..
The whole Charles-Atlas superpower thing still doesn't match up. Star Wars isn't Marvel Comics or Dragonball Z, we don't want to see that kind of absurd power being wielded by one character because "they trained in the ancient magical temple of so-and-so for a year and spent their life perfecting the techniques of whatcha-ma-callit"

So while the EU will probably be reworked, I'm not expected a clean slate, that would suck. But consolidation and story revisions to balance everything out would be not only welcome, but needed for the different Eras of the the Star Wars universe to mesh together and feel like they're part of the same continuity.
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Beniboybling
03.13.2013 , 03:49 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilikaa View Post
Most of the EU will remain intact, though.
Well you can't be sure of that, for all you know they might erase it entirely. Just because George Lucas accepted something doesn't mean he won't let it get retconned. The fact that Lucas has said he cares little for post-ROTJ and Disney have declared the sequels an 'original trilogy' suggest some serious bulldozing is on its way.

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YoshiRaphElan
03.13.2013 , 03:57 PM | #25
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Sure the Force is limitless. But the wielders do have limits. And for the sake of good story, and maintaining the essence of Star Wars, abilities should have limits.
Exactly. This is why I prefer Heir to the Empire above all other Bantam novels, and then all Del Rey novels above the Bantam novels (on par with HTTE). Sure, in FOTJ Luke and co. are powerful (Ben, at full power, unleashed a blast that was described as rocking a frigate's orbit), but they're not overpowered, like the Emperor was in DE. For that matter, like Luke was in some of those older books. The Del Rey novelists have a much better concept of how far is too far.

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SoonerJBD
03.13.2013 , 06:27 PM | #26
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Not really. He's up there in that time period, but other Force users during that time period (Great Sith War-post KOTOR) are superior.
This is the only thing I will take issue with. Luke and Sidious are obviously on another level from everyone else. This is well-established canon. It is also well established that force users as a whole are more powerful in the post ROTJ eras. I tend to agree that various authors have gone overboard in the powers they've doled out to some of these characters, but they exist, nonetheless.

But your statement about other force users of Revan's period being superior is your opinion, and nothing more. Characters within the universe, Kreia among them, characterize him as being highly exceptional. "Revan was power. Staring into his eyes was like staring into the heart of the Force." Is Revan anywhere near Master Luke? No. No one is. But he is certainly among the most powerful if not THE most powerful Jedi of the Old Republic era.

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Kilikaa
03.13.2013 , 06:51 PM | #27
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This is the only thing I will take issue with. Luke and Sidious are obviously on another level from everyone else. This is well-established canon. It is also well established that force users as a whole are more powerful in the post ROTJ eras. I tend to agree that various authors have gone overboard in the powers they've doled out to some of these characters, but they exist, nonetheless.

But your statement about other force users of Revan's period being superior is your opinion, and nothing more. Characters within the universe, Kreia among them, characterize him as being highly exceptional. "Revan was power. Staring into his eyes was like staring into the heart of the Force." Is Revan anywhere near Master Luke? No. No one is. But he is certainly among the most powerful if not THE most powerful Jedi of the Old Republic era.
Revan is one of, if not the, most powerful Jedi during the Old Republic era? You do realize that the Old Republic includes the Clone Wars up to the issuing of Order 66, right? So you are saying Revan is on the same level as Yoda, Windu, Shaak Ti and others? Do you think he was as powerful as one of his own descendants, Satele Shan?

Revan was strong for his lifetime, before Vitiate cptured him and kept him alive for 300 years. But he is pretty low on the list of powerful Jedi, as many have surpassed him since he disappeared forever. Kreia didn't know any Jedi after Revan's second encounter with Vitiate, so her words cannot be used to grade Revan beyond her lifetime.

There was a reason Scourge killed Meetra Surik and let Revan fail. He saw, via Force vision, that Revan was not powerful enough to win. He saw another, more powerful Jedi defeat the Emperor.

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LadyKulvax
03.14.2013 , 02:51 AM | #28
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But your statement about other force users of Revan's period being superior is your opinion, and nothing more. Characters within the universe, Kreia among them, characterize him as being highly exceptional. "Revan was power. Staring into his eyes was like staring into the heart of the Force." Is Revan anywhere near Master Luke? No. No one is. But he is certainly among the most powerful if not THE most powerful Jedi of the Old Republic era.
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Ventessel
03.14.2013 , 07:38 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilikaa View Post
[COLOR="Red"]Revan is one of, if not the, most powerful Jedi during the Old Republic era? You do realize that the Old Republic includes the Clone Wars up to the issuing of Order 66, right? So you are saying Revan is on the same level as Yoda, Windu, Shaak Ti and others? Do you think he was as powerful as one of his own descendants, Satele Shan?
Think that the OP is differentiating the Old Republic Era from the Prequel Era, probably marking the change at the Ruusan Reformations. This is a commonly accepted convention.

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There was a reason Scourge killed Meetra Surik and let Revan fail. He saw, via Force vision, that Revan was not powerful enough to win. He saw another, more powerful Jedi defeat the Emperor.
The reason was also probably due in large part to Scourge being a cowardly scumbag. There's nothing to indicate that his Force vision was definitely going to come true. In fact, most prophecies like that only work because the people who see them tend to accidentally make them come true.

So, by betraying Revan, Scourge ensured that he wouldn't kill the Emperor. This in turn made it certain that it would have to be another Jedi who finished the job. Prophecies are best ignored in cases like that.
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03.14.2013 , 07:51 AM | #30
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the early EU that elevated Luke and Palpatine to the status of demi-gods. It's outrageous and even Lucas hates it.
Would love to see a source on this. As far as I know, he has never publicly said such a thing.
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