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Starship Analysis: E-Wing fighter

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Starship Analysis: E-Wing fighter

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Euphrosyne
04.24.2013 , 11:59 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Ventessel View Post
The E-Wing is an escort fighter; it balances speed with firepower, and has much stronger armor and shielding than the old X-Wing. The upgrades to the X-Wing really just make it passable. After the Second Galactic Civil War, you're looking at an airframe that is over forty-five years old. The E-Wing is about half that age, and it really only left the prototype phase during the YV War, so it's effective combat usage has been about fifteen years at that point. If anything, the Alliance should be scaling up its efforts to phase out the X-Wing and sell off those older models to third parties.
I was under the impression that StealthXs and XJs and the like were completely new spaceframes, not upgraded older ones, and that most, if not all, X-wings in service with the GA by CivWar II were not refurbished, modernized CivWar I relics. Of those, only the XJ3 was introduced before the Series IV E-wing, and only by a margin of a couple of years.

The segment of Mercy Kill that takes place on Kuratooine indicates that baseline T-65s have indeed been sold off to third parties, museums, and so forth, and the Wraiths' reaction to finding them seems to me to be a strong indication that the GA's military does not employ pre-XJ models anymore.
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Ventessel
04.24.2013 , 08:06 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Euphrosyne View Post
I was under the impression that StealthXs and XJs and the like were completely new spaceframes, not upgraded older ones, and that most, if not all, X-wings in service with the GA by CivWar II were not refurbished, modernized CivWar I relics. Of those, only the XJ3 was introduced before the Series IV E-wing, and only by a margin of a couple of years.

The segment of Mercy Kill that takes place on Kuratooine indicates that baseline T-65s have indeed been sold off to third parties, museums, and so forth, and the Wraiths' reaction to finding them seems to me to be a strong indication that the GA's military does not employ pre-XJ models anymore.
Well, they may be new production runs, but they're essentially refinements of the initial design. The StealthX and accompanying variants used different materials in their design, and perform well, but they're really stretching the limits of what the T-65 build is capable of.

The X-Wing seems very similar to the F-18, which had a solid 30 year run as a dominant and versatile airframe, but there is a certain point where production methods can't continue to refine the old base model, and packing in new avionics, power systems, and weapons will only get you so far.
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TalonVII
04.24.2013 , 08:33 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Ventessel View Post
Well, they may be new production runs, but they're essentially refinements of the initial design. The StealthX and accompanying variants used different materials in their design, and perform well, but they're really stretching the limits of what the T-65 build is capable of.

The X-Wing seems very similar to the F-18, which had a solid 30 year run as a dominant and versatile airframe, but there is a certain point where production methods can't continue to refine the old base model, and packing in new avionics, power systems, and weapons will only get you so far.
I like the analogy you used but here's the thing. The F/A 18A and the F/A 18F superhornet, are almost completely different fighters. I mean yes the F18 super hornet uses many parts from the original, but it's actually 40% bigger, carries a much higher payload, and the airframe was made more durable.

Same thing with the T65A X-wing and then the XJ series of Xwings. It's actually more like comparing a 68 Camero, to a 2010 Camero.

Same, name almost completely different cars. Only similarity between the T65s that Luke flew and the XJ3 which was the standard fighter of the war, was that they looked the same. Inside COMPLETELY different beast.
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04.24.2013 , 09:42 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by TalonVII View Post
I like the analogy you used but here's the thing. The F/A 18A and the F/A 18F superhornet, are almost completely different fighters. I mean yes the F18 super hornet uses many parts from the original, but it's actually 40% bigger, carries a much higher payload, and the airframe was made more durable.

Same thing with the T65A X-wing and then the XJ series of Xwings. It's actually more like comparing a 68 Camero, to a 2010 Camero.

Same, name almost completely different cars. Only similarity between the T65s that Luke flew and the XJ3 which was the standard fighter of the war, was that they looked the same. Inside COMPLETELY different beast.
Of course, but there is only so far you can push the envelope on the X-Wing model. You can resize it, refine it, enhance its structural integrity, and revamp the internal systems, but eventually you will need to switch over to a new design concept. I feel that the E-Wing was abandoned rather early, and could easily be developed further.

It's design allows for more efficient power routing to the engines and weapons systems, and maneuvers faster than an X-Wing, although it's not quite nimble enough to be considered an interceptor.

I also feel that the X-Wing design has become rather tired and old, and would like to see new concepts explored in Star Wars. Perhaps the E-Wing isn't that design, but it would be nice to see something. The new films will hopefully create a new generation of visual concepts for space fighters.
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04.26.2013 , 11:43 AM | #15
Sorry guys but really only one thing needs to be said here, X-Wing - 2 Death Star - 0. That pretty much cements the X-Wings usage as the primary snubfighter for the Alliance
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04.26.2013 , 04:22 PM | #16
The later versions of the X-Wing looked similar to the original version of the X-Wing, but there were substancial changes, including to the actual structural frame of the X-Wing itself.

I'd say the E-Wing is probably on par with the later versions of X-Wings, that said the fact X-Wings can use various astromechs, while the E-Wing can only use R7s, and R7s can only be used on E-Wings was a serious issue.

Also while overall an E-Wing can do more damage to capital ships overall, an X-Wing could do more damage to a capital ship in a short time span, since the X-Wing had 2 torpedo launchers.

I'd say it would be more likely that the E-Wing would replace Y-Wings due to it's ability to be a bomber and can dogfight like a fighter.

Btw, as far as I know the E-Wing was not abandoned, it was still in use even past the war involving the Vong. The X-Wing was the staple fighter, however the E-Wings were not exactly being phased out either, offhand I think they had ended up replacing Y-Wings.

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04.26.2013 , 05:03 PM | #17
it's worth noteing that spaceframes in SW last a LOT longer then air frames in real life.

The Hammerhead cruiser from KOTOR was still being used as late as the battle of Ruusuan.
space frames in SW can last a LOOONG time with upgrades and retrofits

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04.28.2013 , 12:23 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by BrianDavion View Post
it's worth noteing that spaceframes in SW last a LOT longer then air frames in real life.

The Hammerhead cruiser from KOTOR was still being used as late as the battle of Ruusuan.
space frames in SW can last a LOOONG time with upgrades and retrofits
Additionally you don't have to worry about aerodynamics as much in space...

Again, E-Wings were not exactly being phased out. The later model of X-Wings apparently were capable enough to about match an E-Wing, maybe out-perform an E-Wing in some respects. However, the E-Wing's ability to attack capital ships like a Y-Wing and yet be able to take on other starfighters like X-Wings, make it fairly likely that the E-Wing would have replaced the Y-Wing (though the fact the Y-Wing used Ion Canons could make it so Y-Wings were still in service on rare occasions).

The fighters I can actually see disappearing in the Star Wars universe is the TIE/ln fighter, since the TIE Interceptor clearly outclassed it in every respect.

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Euphrosyne
04.28.2013 , 04:26 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by BrianDavion View Post
it's worth noteing that spaceframes in SW last a LOT longer then air frames in real life.

The Hammerhead cruiser from KOTOR was still being used as late as the battle of Ruusuan.
space frames in SW can last a LOOONG time with upgrades and retrofits
Same design, different frame. The Republic wasn't refurbishing millennia-old capital ships, it was just using the same sort of appearance.
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04.28.2013 , 06:25 PM | #20
Well guys, did the E-wing, anybody else have preference on another ship to do an analysis on?
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