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szachMat
03.04.2013 , 05:03 AM | #1
We cant leap to them We cant run in stealth to them We cant kill them from range So my question is What can we do ?

We should get in 2.0 force camuflage like sentinels have now

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Never_Hesitate
03.04.2013 , 05:07 AM | #2
Sniper's are the hardcounter to the melees, except of tanks.
As soon as you get to them you can destroy them.
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LeoniŽ&Caipha PT, Eleondra&Eleondraa Op
T'hana Jugg, Saleona Sniper
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szachMat
03.04.2013 , 05:14 AM | #3
yes, but sentinels have force camuflage and they have few sec to get them. Guardians dont have any "toys" for that Sentinels are knights like we are so force camuflage should be skill for knights, not just for them

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Never_Hesitate
03.04.2013 , 05:16 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by szachMat View Post
yes, but sentinels have force camuflage and they have few sec to get them. Guardians dont have any "toys" for that Sentinels are knights like we are so force camuflage should be skill for knights, not just for them
What about reflect?

And force camoflage should be a sage/sorc skill and not a sent/maro skill
T3-M4 - Lvl 60 Chars:
LeoniŽ&Caipha PT, Eleondra&Eleondraa Op
T'hana Jugg, Saleona Sniper
Hannahla Merc, CaphalÝr Sorc, Kindarya Assa

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wadecounty
03.04.2013 , 05:31 AM | #5
Saber Reflect is AMAZING vs Snipers, works on almost every big hitter they have, especially Marksman (but still does fine against Series of Shots which is a big attack in both of the other 2 specs).

Other than that, if you're Vigilance dot them up and use LOS if you can to make them come to you and let you get a charge off, Focus has Zealous Leap, and tanks have all sorts of tools.

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Helig
03.04.2013 , 06:43 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by szachMat View Post
yes, but sentinels have force camuflage and they have few sec to get them. Guardians dont have any "toys" for that Sentinels are knights like we are so force camuflage should be skill for knights, not just for them
Want Sentinel toys, roll a Sentinel.

I have a Guardian and a Marauder (among other classes. Current personal favorite is Gunnery Commando, gearing atm), and yes, Guardian feels a lot weaker and more exposed, especially without group support. And I do agree that Guardian needs more tools for personal combat/survival. Saber Reflect is definitely a step in the right direction, but I think Guards need more.

Like more advanced interrupt that can be used preemptively to disable all offensive skills, save for basic attack, for 2-3 secs. Taunt that is useful to *US* personally, like making the enemy player vulnerable to OUR damage (and noone elses). Baseline Hilt Strike, or baseline unchanneled Stasis.

Something like that just from the top of my head.
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Kabaroth
03.04.2013 , 09:32 AM | #7
Snipers/Gunslingers are not invincible, and their designed to be a melee tank stopper. By giving Guards/Juggs the ability to completely counter the class would make the class useless. The efficiency of a Slinger/Sniper depends greatly on the performance of their team. If their team can keep melee classes off of them, a Slinger/Sniper can pound on all classes; but if a Guard/Jugg gets in close it is hard for a Slinger/Sniper to effectively counter. In a 1v1 situation I can personally say that Guards/Juggs can prove difficult if they are good; most of the time they are at disadvantage though as they should be. Every class should have its counter. As a Slinger stealth classes can be a real nuisance as well as Sentinels or guardians that get close and throw big damage on me. Every class needs its counter, and by asking for improvements to your class that will make cause it to have no counter goes against the construction of the game.

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Never_Hesitate
03.04.2013 , 09:37 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Kabaroth View Post
and their designed to be a melee tank stopper.
They are designed to be a melee stopper but not as far as tanks go, a well equipped tank survives too long and can beat up a sniper
T3-M4 - Lvl 60 Chars:
LeoniŽ&Caipha PT, Eleondra&Eleondraa Op
T'hana Jugg, Saleona Sniper
Hannahla Merc, CaphalÝr Sorc, Kindarya Assa

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Aikon
03.04.2013 , 09:57 AM | #9
On top of popping Saber Reflect, this is where you also try to use your environment to your advantage. LOS (Line of Sight) them, run out of their range for a few seconds so that they have to reposition, (and as soon as you see them get up and run towards you, you get in range again and Force Leap at them), etc. etc.

Once you're in melee range, depending on your skill, spec, and gear, you may or may not be able to overpower them. Sometimes you just need to be patient and let other classes make the first move.
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szachMat
03.07.2013 , 12:48 PM | #10
cover should only work from front not 360' That could force all snipers to take better position.