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Kaggath Tournament Finals - Traya vs G0-T0

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Kaggath Tournament Finals - Traya vs G0-T0

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LadyKulvax
03.16.2013 , 08:59 AM | #511
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: G0-T0 has the Exchange cell on Telos IV and all its assets in his powerbase.

Reason: it seems I overlooked the fact that Loppak Slusk worked for G0-T0 and was instructed by him to set up an Exchange cell on Telos IV - therefore this cell is a part of G0-T0's powerbase. That is all.
Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus were under Traya's command at this moment in her lifetime, does she get them too?
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Beniboybling
03.16.2013 , 09:17 AM | #512
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Huh. Imagine that.

I'm assuming Luxa doesn't exist?
No, Luxa does exist, as do all of G0-T0's underlings. Seeing as the basically make up his entire command structure and compared to his own abilities, are pretty inferior.
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Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus were under Traya's command at this moment in her lifetime, does she get them too?
This is how the rule works: no allies or prominent powers. A prominent power is any organisation of decent size/influence that is not or has never been affliated with any of the combatants e.g. the Hutt Cartel.

An ally is defined in relation to the combatant themselves, if the ally in question (which has to be an individual) has abilities close to, the same as, or stronger than the combatant in any fields, then they are banned. In that sense, Hanharr, the Twins Suns, Sion and Nihilus are banned.

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Wolfninjajedi
03.16.2013 , 11:23 AM | #513
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No, Luxa does exist, as do all of G0-T0's underlings. Seeing as the basically make up his entire command structure and compared to his own abilities, are pretty inferior.
This is how the rule works: no allies or prominent powers. A prominent power is any organisation of decent size/influence that is not or has never been affliated with any of the combatants e.g. the Hutt Cartel.

An ally is defined in relation to the combatant themselves, if the ally in question (which has to be an individual) has abilities close to, the same as, or stronger than the combatant in any fields, then they are banned. In that sense, Hanharr, the Twins Suns, Sion and Nihilus are banned.
But she has the fleet right?
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Canino
03.16.2013 , 11:39 AM | #514
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But she has the fleet right?
Do you mean Traya? Yes, she has the fleet.
/sigh

But G0-T0 must press forward!
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Ventessel
03.16.2013 , 11:42 AM | #515
Traya could also telepathically communicate with G0-T0's Exchange bosses, sending them messages and warnings, planting doubts in their heads that G0-T0 has no way to detect. This would work around him putting HK-50s in their bases, since now Traya can use their presence to create paranoia.

Furthermore, if they're posing as protocol droids, they'll be unarmed when the assassins strike. So they would probably be cut down immediately, since the assassins would know to take them out before they were able to activate any hidden weapons systems or signal G0-T0.

On the matter of Traya's fleet, there still is no way for G0-T0 to infiltrate or otherwise compromise Traya's fleet, so all the wishful thinking concerning G0-T0's easy victories by just blasting Korriban, etc. are baseless.

In fact, if Traya does have to retreat from Malachor, she can not only ensure that G0-T0 suffers immense casualties reaching the MSG/attacking the Academy, but can proceed fortify the Sith Academy on Korriban quite well. There were all sorts of old defenses that could be activated there, from anti-air turbolasers to gas traps and native species in the tombs which would impede any kind of search for Traya's troops. A game of cat and mouse could wear down any droids/organics G0-T0 sent to search the tombs for Traya.

As for dropping orbital pods through the Academy roof, it's far more likely that they'll just die when they splatter against the solid rock. It's comically thick, on the scale of an ancient pyramid. The troops in the drop pods who managed to survive would just be stranded on top of a rock mesa, waiting to get strafed and killed by Sith fighters who would follow the drop pods down to clean up landing crews/survivors.

No amphibious (in this case orbital) operation can have any hope at success without air/sea (in this case space) superiority. This is for the obvious reason that even if they sneak into orbit and jump to the surface, the Sith will tear them apart with air support, and from their entrenched positions in the tunnels and tombs. Just crossing your fingers and hoping the guys with the baradium bomb reach their target is no plan at all. And again, Traya will likely not be in the Academy with her troops, but rather sneaking around on Nar Shaddaa tearing apart G0-T0's powerbase.

This ties back into G0-T0 having a poor understanding of Force users, since he will be maximizing his chances of survival by hiding, he will assume that Traya is likewise maximizing her safety by being in her well-guarded bases. However, since he doesn't know the limits of the Force, Traya will be able to use her extensive skills at being unseen to hide in the shadows of Nar Shaddaa and pick apart his powerbase while his troops are busy dying at Malachor and Korriban.
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Beniboybling
03.16.2013 , 12:44 PM | #516
Quote: Originally Posted by Ventessel View Post
Traya could also telepathically communicate with G0-T0's Exchange bosses, sending them messages and warnings, planting doubts in their heads that G0-T0 has no way to detect. This would work around him putting HK-50s in their bases, since now Traya can use their presence to create paranoia.
It's notoriously difficult to communicate telepathically with non-Force users, and practically impossible over long distances. She also has too know them and be aware of their presence.
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Furthermore, if they're posing as protocol droids, they'll be unarmed when the assassins strike. So they would probably be cut down immediately, since the assassins would know to take them out before they were able to activate any hidden weapons systems or signal G0-T0.
The HKs are far from unarmed without blaster weapons. Nor will they be going for a straight up kill, they'll most likely sabotage some systems/gas the place to ensure everyone is killed. The fact that they can move indiscriminately throughout any Exchange base makes this easy.

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Ventessel
03.16.2013 , 02:32 PM | #517
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
It's notoriously difficult to communicate telepathically with non-Force users, and practically impossible over long distances. She also has too know them and be aware of their presence.
Traya is remarkably skilled at invading the minds of others and manipulating them, extracting their secrets. She could simply do this in person after her scouts have looked the area over.


The HKs are far from unarmed without blaster weapons. Nor will they be going for a straight up kill, they'll most likely sabotage some systems/gas the place to ensure everyone is killed. The fact that they can move indiscriminately throughout any Exchange base makes this easy.
Please, explain how they are going to simultaneously pose as protocol droids and retain their armaments.

And how are they going to gas the whole place when Traya's assassins are destroying the droids as a prelude to co-opting the Exchange?
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Beniboybling
03.16.2013 , 03:25 PM | #518
Quote: Originally Posted by Ventessel View Post

Traya is remarkably skilled at invading the minds of others and manipulating them, extracting their secrets. She could simply do this in person after her scouts have looked the area over.
In person, she could achieve it, but then I'm not sure it would be worth it...
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[Please, explain how they are going to simultaneously pose as protocol droids and retain their armaments.

And how are they going to gas the whole place when Traya's assassins are destroying the droids as a prelude to co-opting the Exchange?
Like I said, they have armaments other than simply blaster weapons. There whole body is a weapon, they've got cluster rockets, flamethrowers, carbon projectors etc. But either way, they'll sabotage the base instead. But I'm confused, why would Traya destroy the droids which she has no reason to believe is anything other than a harmless protocol droid?

P.S. I think the best way for Traya to destroy G0-T0 is through bait, but what that would be I don't know.

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Canino
03.16.2013 , 03:30 PM | #519
Beni, since this is a long thread (and I'm lazy) would you mind putting all the scenarios of Traya killing G0-T0, and G0-T0 killing Traya in one post, simply to allow people to see the scenarios and then rebuttal them? It would make things far easier. Just maybe say the scenario, and then a quick blurb about how the person would go about killing the opponent. Make it real simple.

Thanks in advance-

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Wolfninjajedi
03.16.2013 , 03:32 PM | #520
Or just end it, this has gone on for 500+ posts lol.
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